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Edit: Figure I should add this here and in bold red text. If I ignore your PM, its not because I dont find whatever you sent me interesting or relevant to the theory (to be fair, it could mean that, but it probably doesnt), its just that I'm getting tons of PMs so its hard to keep track of stuff.


Also, this is a good read, from Theorycrafting HUB (which is coincidentally an excellent place to go for more interesting ideas like this one), as it is more a more organized collection of theories and evidence than my haphazardly copy/pasted post is.

This is also a good read, as it is a collection of reasons explaining why the endings as they stand don't make any kind of sense.



Is it just me, or does the entire ending sequence not feel like it fits in with the overall theme of the ME universe? It just feels.... off. I cant really describe it.

It seems otherworldly and kind of unfocused.

And when you talk to TIM, you get those weird black things at the edges of the screen.

I am of the opinion that once reaching the Citadel, severely wounded, and losing blood, Shepard hallucinated most of the ending sequence.

It would explain why the kid was there.

The weird blackness when TIM tried to control you and you tried to fight it could be Shepard fighting against blood loss and trying not to pass out (hence the darkening around the edges of the screen)

It explains how even the crew who were wounded with you near the portal in London ended up on the Normandy, and even why the Normandy was leaving Earth in the first place, its because Shepard isnt thinking clearly, and these are just the images dreamed up by a deteriorating brain.

Also, there is a likelyhood that having spent so much time around Reapers, Shepard is slightly indoctrinated. The Synthesis ending really doesnt make much sense, other than the fact that the little kid seems to think it is the best option. We never get an explanation on how jumping into a beam of energy that kills us will do anything like what it is said it will do.

The Reapers used Shepard's slight indoctrination and confused state as part of a last ditch effort to get Shepard to take himself out of the picture, since they knew that if they didnt do so, Shepard was about to win.

tl;dr blood loss leads to reaper victory

Hallucination makes the most sense, in my humble opinion.

Maybe Bioware will release a DLC where it turns out the horrible endings were all just a hallucination that you experienced after you got knocked unconscious by Harbinger while heading towards the portal thingy, and then you can go on to have endings that actually make sense.

Edit: fixed my weird formatting
Edit 2: Adding a list summarizing the theories that people have come up with in the thread, compiled by Turtlicious:


recap:

Thought on the ending:

THE THEORIES. (by Turtlicious)

There are two theories for WHEN Shepard's subtle indoctrination starts, these theories will be numbered, there are two theories when his full blown hallucinations start. These are lettered. Simply pick a number and a letter, or just a number, or just a letter. This way, you can have your special theory.

theory 1 is that indoctrination is at the start of ME3 and that during the whole game every dream is more and more indoctrination. Also, there is an indoctrination device on the normandy, (supported by Vega mentioning a Hum all throughout the game) This is supported by the re-apperance of the RGC all througout the game. People disagree because people believe Indoctrination, (from now on condensed to ID) is not as subtle as that, and would not only affect dreams.

Theory 2 is that it happens on the Normandy, that the child is real in the beginning, but once on the Normandy, you start to get indoctrinated, which is supported by Vega hearing the Hum. The same reasons as above but SLIGHTLY more credible due to the poster of the missing earth child. People disagree with Theory 2 for the same reasons as theory 1.

Theory A is what I like to call the "Ilos Run" theory, that you're ID is full blown on the shuttle as soon as you leave the shuttle. This theory concludes that the shuttle was blown up at some point, that you were buried beneath rubble, and harbinger is trying to indoctrinate you to retrieve the body. It is supported by the dreamy quality of the run itself, and the lack of squadmates following you, soon as the ID gets stronger, you go full on dream mode. This is to compensate for the "Dream Trees" at the very beginning of the run

Theory B is that your full blown indoctrination is not until you get pwnt by the laser. and that at that point you are passed out at the crucible, and Harbinger is doing what he has always wanted, (ID of Shep) This is supported due to the realistic look of the run down the hill.

THE PROOF:

Parts 1-12 by kyleh619

1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!

2. Choosing to control the Reapers allows them to live. Reapers win. They will still exist.

3. Choosing to combine organic and synthetic life: Reapers win. They will still exist.

4. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life: Reapers loose. Shepard lives. Reapers die.

5. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade.

6. Shepard awakes at the end of destroying Reapers. But Shepard is not awaking from the aftermath. He is awaking from either after he is hit by Harbingers lazer attack on Earth or after the scene with Anderson and the Illusive Man.

7. Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound better.

8. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

9. Never trust any child construct, be it a ghost or artificial intelligence, or heck even human. They are just creepy.

10. Shepard awakes at the end because he has broken hold of the Reaper's control.

11. Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of
indoctrination.

12. Bioware not only get more $$$ for DLC for the final battle, but big props for INDOCTRINATING A LOT OF ITS OWN PLAYERS! I do not know of another gaming company that has tried to fool all of its consumers, but they look to be the first and reap all of the attention.

13. Look at these screenshots. I believe the 1m1 is a clue, because of how often it shows up, and how human it is, when the ship is supposedly older then the ancients.

14. Definitions:


Catalyst =
One that precipitates a process or event, especially without being involved in or changed by the consequences


Crucible=
A severe test, as of patience or belief; a trial. See Synonyms at trial.

15. Shepard is not wearing his armor when he wakes up in the Citadel, implying that this is a dream.

Deklan_Caine wrote...

I have a couple of observations to contribute to the theory that it doesn't seem like others have caught (apologies if someone else caught these already and I missed it...):

16) As soon as Shepherd "wakes up" after being blasted by the Reaper laser, he's limping. If, as you're playing, you try to look/aim down at Shep's feet, you can't. The view angle get's blocked so that you can't see  below his/her knees. If you watch the pace of the legs moving, though, it becomes really obvious that Shepherd is moving considerably faster than he is actually walking, almost floating as it were. At first when I noticed this in the my second play-though I just figured it was designed that way because making Shepherds speed the same as his walk would make the last moments in the game take 3 times longer (and it already seemed to take forever). But if we're rolling with the hallucination/indoctrination theory, then the fact that he's practically floating on his feet just adds more fuel to the fire...

17) The line Harbinger repeated over and over in ME2 was that the Reapers would be "your salvation through destruction." Well, the synthesis and control options are literally salvation for the galaxy through Shep's destruction, buying into a compliance mindset. The only option that  leaves Shep breathing is to destroy the Reapers, which has been the point since ME1. All the evidence points to the last sequence being a battle for Shepards mind that is only won when Shep chooses the path that the god-kid tries to convince him not to take.

by Luc0s

18)

Check this footage:


Listen carefully and you'll hear 3 very distinct voices when the Catalyst speaks. Strange you say? It's getting even stranger...
Listen REALLY carefully and you'll hear that the 3 voices are a kids voice, femShep's voice and maleShep's voice.

The first voice you'll hear is the kid's voice. His voice is the loudest and panned in the middle.

The second voice is femShep's voice. Her voice is panned to the left.  If you carry a headphone, you'll hear her only in the left speaker of your phone.

The last voice is maleShep's voice. His voice is rather hard to hear because he's almost whispering, but it's clearly manShep's voice. If you carry a headphone, you can hear that his voice is panned to the right speaker.

19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

20) No squad members are scene once you're hit by the laser

21) after being hit by the laser, you see shadowy whisps on the floor, similar to the much larger whisps seen in the dreams during the game.


Kitten Tactics:

-The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live.
Shepard is not awake during the final scenes.

-Choosing Control - You can not control them, they control you. Shepard says as much to the Illusive Man moments earlier.

-Choosing Synthesis - Allows everyone in the galaxy to be manipulated by Reaper code, like they have done to the Geth multiple times now.

-Choosing Destroy - Breaks the hold the reapers have on Shepard's mind.

-Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade. The reapers are saying that Destroy is the worst, Control is worse, and Synthesis is the best. They want you to fail.

-Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound better.

-Shepard wakes up after Destroy, because the Reaper's hold is diminished. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

-When Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone. Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

-During Shepard's final dream with the child, chatter can be heard over the radio about nobody making it to the beam. Shepard is still in London.

-When Shepard catches the child in the final dream, they are both engulfed in flame. Going with the child (the
reapers) means Shepard's destruction.

-Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination.

-When Shepard wakes up at the end of Destroy, he/she is waking up in London, after being hit with the laser.


From lookingglassmind:


In defense of the Hallucination/Indoctrination theory: the BioWare/Player Indoctrination Theory

With the assistance of my peers throughout the rest of this thread, I have collated a series of facts that I would like to present to the community as being evidence for a a priori intention for the endings of ME3. Some of this information will not be new to a lot of you, and it may seem downright strange to a lot of you.  It does require a strong and disorienting amount of suspension of  disbelief, so if you cannot engage in this type of thought process, I encourage you to skip over this post. :) It will hurt your brain. Or make you think that I'm crazy. Likely both. (I'm okay with either.)

With the assistance of countless others' highly important observations in this thread, I sumbit to you that possibility the endings of ME3 represent the highest form of the metagaming experience. The highest form of BioWare's "giving the player choice that matters, from ME1 to ME3". The highest form of player interaction that we have yet seen from a video game. This has never before been attempted by a company, and it represents the ballsiest dedication to story and lore that may exist.

I believe that the endings may be indicative of BioWare attempting to allow the player the real-time experience of what indoctrination would be like. This theory explains (in a highly weird, impossible, and completely insane way) all of the missing pieces in the hallucination sequence, and also explains BioWare's real-world actions (such as
complete silence since the fan sh*tstorm broke in response to the endings).

If you have not been keeping up with the thread, or if you have not read Byne's/Kitten Tactics/Turtlicious' amalgamation of all of the evidence we have accumulated for the originial hallucination theory on page 1, then I  would urge you to do so before you read any more of this post. Due to time constraints, I won't be posting all of the evidences that we have located in this post to confirm or contradict this theory: I leave it in your capable and self-aware hands to attain this information yourself. I am posting this as an add-on to page 1, as I don't think it was properly represented there in its entire grand scope.

So, to the meat of the issue:

We have already established as much evidence as we can that 'proves' that Shepard is either hallucinating/dreaming just prior to/immediately after he runs into Harbinger's beam/Conduit. The hallucination/dream sequence has been quite well fleshed out, with a lot of compelling environmental evidence to support it (again, please see page 1 for further analysis). I am going to use this particular vehicle of suspension of disbelief to propose that BioWare's intention during this sequence is to flag the player with as many markers as they can: This current reality playing
before your eyes (the Citadel, the Catalyst, TIM, Anderson) is a reflection of Shepard. It is the product of his/her mind. The meeting with the Catalyst may or may not be rooted in reality; they may meet in some metalphysical dimension, or Shepard may just hallucinate the entire thing. Either way, this theory would argue that it essentially doesn't  matter, because what truly matters is the role of the player in this sequence. Your role. The scene is set in a way that urges the player to become aware of things just not being right, of being a place that mirrors (literally) Shepard's experiences throughout the game. The reality presented on the Citadel is an amalgamation of archetypes of every thing Shepard has seen in the series, which this theory challenges the player to understand as being a
direct prompt from BioWare to understand that what is truly happening during this scene is all within Shepard's mind. His/her reality. Under her/his control.

Understanding that the reality on the Citadel as being a cerebral concoction that is entirely of Shepard's creation is
important when we arrive upon the Crucible. It becomes a vital understanding when we are faced with these three, seemingly bizarre and unexpected choices that the Catalyst gives us. This theory submits that BioWare is asking the player to actively question EVERYTHING that happens once Shepard runs into Harbinger's beam. The cost of not
questioning, or making the right choice even if you do?

Real-time player indoctrination. Shepard's literal death.

Think about it carefully. We arrive on the Crucible, and are faced with an archetype of manipulation, the Catalyst. Taking the form of a child that has come to represent everything that is horrendous about the Reapers to Shepard, the Catalyst/Harbinger provides Shepard with three strange and disorienting choices. He first presents Shepard with the option of Destroy, making swift and empty assertations about how it is the wrong choice because it would kill all synthetic life and Shepard herself/himself. At its surface, this seems like the renegade/chaos option, and is even insidiously portrayed in Renegade Red, a direct nod to the Player himself/herself. Directly appealing to your experiences with how the game works. He then goes on at great length about the Control and Synthesis options, portraying Control as the blue paragon/order option. Again, directly appealing to the Player. He argues
that Control is the best option, implies that Shepard is the new Catalyst, and leaves us to contemplate the possibility that we could use it to try and save the people we love; after all, we are Shepard, and we would never become like TIM.

Synthesis is the last option explored, and it is portrayed as a compromise or as being the Brave New Hope for the galaxy. I have a suspicion that Synthesis may actually  be the 'perfect' choice, but thatis for another theory. :) (If you're curious, read about the tech-singularity lore within the game, and research humes spork's posts about the singularity within this thread.) Either way, Synthesis smacks of strangeness because it seems so inherently Reaper-oriented. As though it were servicing the Reapers' philosophy more strongly than the other two options.

This moment, when you are standing there, agonizing over your choice? This is your indoctrination moment. This is where, it could be (fantastically and insanely) argued that this is the moment when indoctrination and all of its insidious power becomes as real as it possibly CAN be to the Player. Think about it! We stand there. We
agonize. We freak out about the ridiculous choices, and we wonder (like Shepard would) why we just can't ARUGE with the Catalyst (like Shepard would). And then, as this reality seems to be the only way forward (much like how indoctrination presents a version of reality to the indoctrinated that he/she sees as being the ONLY REAL OPTION -- echoes of TIM, Kai Leng, Saren here), we begin to accept it. Tremulously, we start to make our choice.

If you choose Control, then you, the player -- the one who moves through the game though Shepard's eyes; every choice s/he has ever made in the game has been directly because of you -- have been indoctrinated. It may
have been because you thought you could save your crew, your LI, or that you really could gain perfect Control over the Reapers because you are Shepard. Regardless, you have been duped. Indoctrinated by the game.
Your slow exposure to the Reapers in 2007 culminates to this final choice -- complete and free player agency and determination.

If you choose Synthesis, you face a fate similar to that of Control. It's debatable to me at this point as to whether or not you have chosen to fulfill the Reapers' purpose, but indoctrination is still a heavy possibility with this one. The only reason that I state this with any certainty is because, like the ending we see with Control, Shepard is dead at the final credits.

If you choose Destroy, then the Player Indoctrination Theory submits that this is you, the player, deciding whether or not Shepard overcomes the indoctrination attempt being rained upon him/her by Harbinger/the Catalyst. If you decide this option, and if you have enough EMS to ensure that Shepard has enough real-world time to get through the indoctrination attempt/hallucination -- Shepard lives. We see him/her breathing in the rubble of London streets at the end of the game. Shepard has defied indoctrination. You, yourself, have defied indoctrination.

Does this theory make sense? Maybe not. When we consider BioWare's real-world motivations and risks (profit, losing a large fanbase over the disgusting wretchedness of the endings as they currently exist), then the theory is hard to support. But if, for just one moment, we can let ourselves believe that BioWare may just have lived up to their celebrated philiosophy of Player Choice and Player Acutalization, then this theory becomes awe-inspiring. Is it possible? Could BioWare have sacrificed the potential for safe profits in order to bring the most insane and beautiful gaming experience of all time to its fans? The most unprecedented example of player immersion of our times? Would BioWare have truly allowed the risk for profit and angering a serious amount of their fan population in pure deference to the story, and its lore?

It may explain BioWare's silence on the matter, until "more people have played the game", or until all regions have the game. It may explain Jess M.'s twitter about fans "reacting before having all of the facts". It may.... just may explain these super sh*tty endings in a way that would make BioWare the God of RPGs.

Is it likely? No. Am I reaching, insanely? Yes.

But is it possible?

Yes.


ceruleancrescent wrote:

Okay so I just noticed something, and I don't know if it's been pointed out yet, so if it has, I'm sorry I don't remember reading it on this thread.

Anyways, during the god child scene this is what we see

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and this is what we seen when the Crucible is being connected to the Citadel

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the
red circle is the connecting point of the Crucible, as the connected end is a spherical shape, not flat, as seen in the second picture with the red circle. The green circle is the Citadel connecting point to the Crucible (ignore the yellow circle in the second picture).

Seeing that, we can see that the part that  Shepard is standing on is definately part of the Citadel...so why is there the human numbers and letters such as 1M1 on structures in the citadel, a site we've never seen before?

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Also looking at the structures that are used for Control (blue) and Destroy (red) are already on the Citadel

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They appear not to be directly connected to the Crucible, as it looks like the Crucible and the Citadel are connected only by the blue stream of light (purple circle). The options to control or destroy were implimented on the citadel, and not made through the Crucible.

So the reapers, that created the citadel so many years ago, foresaw that over the many cycles, organics would be able to design and eventually create a weapon that would be capable of destroying them? Why would they create that possibility? Also, since the god child said that Shepard was "the first organic" there, it doesn't seem as if one of the species in the many cycles created it themselves, especially since the keepers would probably change it.

Just a thought. 

EDIT: It just seems more dream/hallucination like to me, as if Shepard's mind is trying to make sense of things and not very well. Or it is an extreme oversight...IDK 


AlphaDormante wrote:

I just noticed this right now...don't know if anyone's mentioned this already or if it's been explained, but I thought I'd bring it up.

So you know that oddly colorful rubble that's littered around the Makos near the beam?

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Yeah, that crap looks weird. PC, I'm ashamed of you and those textures.

...hey, wait a minute.

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Are those BODIES?

Yes. As you can clearly see, there are faces, torsos, and legs in that pile of low-res polygons. Now, why it's so low-res I don't know; that might really be an issue with my computer. But I've never had this level of terrible with any other texture in the game...and you have to admit, seeing it so blurry and awful-looking lends it a very eerie quality.

Besides that, why are there SO MANY? There were absolutely not that many people running for the beam. And even if there were, how did they all end up in neat little piles off to the sides? And, most importantly...

Take a closer look at the bodies pink and purple circles. Look familiar?

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...how about now?



Rifneno wrote...

I know the subject of the eyes has been brought up a lot.  But I've talked to quite a few people who don't see it, or
don't think they're really what we think they are.  So I got some screenshots and when necessary magnified them so you can see them better.

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That's the Illusive Man's eye in ME2. Note the pattern: an inner circle, an outer circle, and two orb shapes on the bottom left and right.

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This is Saren's eye in ME1 right before he ragequits existence. It's different, but similar in a way. A large glowing center, an inner ring, a much smaller outer ring, and some wavy designs coming out of them.

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This is Shepard's eye right after his face turned black in the control ending. This is the exact same pattern as the Illusive Man's. The only difference is the color. Which is similar to Saren's. I'll also note that the rest of the scene he seemed to be in immense pain as he's gripping the handles. After he turns like this, he simply looks deadpan
and emotionless.

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This is Shepard's eye during the synthesis ending. He's further from the camera and a lot of the time it's distorted by the green pulses, but this is still a clear enough shot to tell, without a doubt, that he has the same eyes here as in control.

Hopefully this helps convince someone that doesn't believe the eye evidence, which I personally consider to be the strongest evidence of the indoctrination theory.


Also, not sure who put this together, but I believe it was Nighthunteer. The area where you talk to the godchild and the Conduit approach look remarkably similar:

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Also, gonna add some videos that talk about hallucination/indoctrination


Excellent 20 minute explanation video.

Short 3 minute explanation video

"Mass Effect 3 Ending Mysteries" video

Edited by byne, 21 March 2012 - 09:46 PM.


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Ack. Please fix your text formatting. I'm having trouble parsing what you're trying to say.

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I really hope it was a hallucination.... I can't think of any other reason for the endings in a game of this magnitude to be so bad.

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I also think this was a hallucination because there is no way my Shep would accept this deal.

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Phydeaux314 wrote...

Ack. Please fix your text formatting. I'm having trouble parsing what you're trying to say.


Sorry about that, not sure exactly what happened there. Fixed it now though.

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I hope so.

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I like the idea :o

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After I sat down and thought about it after a few cigarettes, this is the same assumption that I come too. also based off of this twitter
Michael Gamble ‏ @GambleMike
"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever. "

wishful thinking gives hope that it was only a dream sequence.

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I also hope so.

In fact, if they release a DLC where Shep wakes up after being shot by Harbinger, and miraculously he and his squad are OK, and you go up to the citadel for a real ending without some Space God Child, I will rejoice and gladly pay money for it.

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There would be a whole new form of anger if it was a dream though. But the question is.. would there be less anger? Maybe this is the way to go.

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I hope the whole part up from running down to that beam up until the end was some sort of daydream of Shepard while driving to the actual conflict ^^.

I mean the whole part aside from the conversation with TIM was buggy like hell starting with your squadmates not moving with you down to the beam just standing at their spawning poins .

Tip of the iceberg is the Weapon that no longer needs ammonition and reloading while limping around hell you can shoot with it while Shepard stands up in the cutscene not even having the Weapon in his hand.

Edited by Serp86, 10 March 2012 - 12:56 AM.


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That is a good point, because i noticed that the red beam was close but not close enough to hit shepard. When you wake up, everyone is missing and everything is in slow mode when you first wake up, like a dream and dark mist was around the illusive man.

I'm truly hoping this is the case and this ending is just a way to tease and shock people. If this is the case Bioware better gives us something because the amount of fans being pissed will just increase and the fourms will keep flaming.

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I actually thought the same thing at first. In fact, after getting knocked out by Harbinger, I let those Husks kill me a couple of times because I figured it was either a dream or it was like the Nuclear Bomb bit from Call of Duty.

In hindsight though, I doubt it, because the only thing that could make the already bad ending worse is if it was all just a dream.

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Serp86 wrote...

I hope the whole part up from running down to that beam up until the end was some sort of daydream of Shepard while driving to the actual conflict ^^.

I mean the whole part aside from the conversation with TIM was buggy like hell starting with your squadmates not moving with you down to the beam just standing at their spawning poins .

Tip of the iceberg is the Weapon that no longer needs ammonition and reloading while limping around hell you can shoot with it while Shepard stands up in the cutscene not even having the Weapon in his hand.


I thought that was just me. 

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Well I thought the same thing the first moments until I was beamed up. If that is the case then BW I hate you that you didn't give us the real ending :D (I hate you now too but that doesn't matter :D)

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 As soon as shepard woke up after that reaper blast i thought he was hallucinating as well. Everything else after that point didnt feel real. If bioware intends to fix the endings this would be the way to go.

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Aligalipe wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

I hope the whole part up from running down to that beam up until the end was some sort of daydream of Shepard while driving to the actual conflict ^^.

I mean the whole part aside from the conversation with TIM was buggy like hell starting with your squadmates not moving with you down to the beam just standing at their spawning poins .

Tip of the iceberg is the Weapon that no longer needs ammonition and reloading while limping around hell you can shoot with it while Shepard stands up in the cutscene not even having the Weapon in his hand.


I thought that was just me. 


I don't think so . Happened everytime i tried this. I kinda wondered where they are on my first playthrough so i turned around in the middle of the way and saw them still standing there.  They don't even react to orders .

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I seriously hope it was. I had the same idea, in fact. Shepard passes out right after talking with Anderson and trying to "activate" the Catalyst. I was thinking with some DLC that I'd gladly pay for, Shepard wakes up, activates the Catalyst and destroys the Reapers, then calls the Normandy(with all squad members onboard) for extraction. Perhaps given another choice here, even. Maybe take up what the Illusive Man said as an "at all costs" type of ending. I could have detailed this more but I'm a bit tired. :P

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No, it wouldn't be the way to go. To fix the endings, they need to get rid of the whole Guardian bit entirely. Patch that scene right out of the game.

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Teddie Sage wrote...

I also think this was a hallucination because there is no way my Shep would accept this deal.



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movieguyabw wrote...

No, it wouldn't be the way to go. To fix the endings, they need to get rid of the whole Guardian bit entirely. Patch that scene right out of the game.


No argument here, would be better off. But keeping it and adding the hopefully "real" ending would be enough for me.

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movieguyabw wrote...

No, it wouldn't be the way to go. To fix the endings, they need to get rid of the whole Guardian bit entirely. Patch that scene right out of the game.


They would essentially be doing that if Shepard woke up in the streets of London in front of the portal, with the rest having been a hallucination.

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Free DLC - "Wake up!" introducing new endings that make your choices matter!! HOOZAH

That's a nice pipe dream to have anyway.

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I certainly hope it was a hallucination...

Otherwise I just basically played "3 Card Monte" with a dream kid who glows in the dark and lost 200 hours of my life...

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The hallucination thing would fit to the breathing vid where all over is concrete. I doubt that the citadel was build of it.... oh hope...