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[Jensonagain]

And the overpowered mages in Dragon age should follow in Gandalfs footsteps.

The only time a mage in dragon age should show their power is when fighting a demon or dragon so powerful that they have no choice but to push the limits of their magic to the max.

With that said....

Mages are powerful but should know when to use their power.

A mage killing a hurlock is sooooo tacky.....

Shame on all of you..

[deathwing200]

Think about this:



If you were a powerful mage, would you prefer to obliterate your enemies from a long range with a fireball or fight like a chump with a sword and a staff? Why exactly should you "hold back" for weaker enemies other than as a part of badly written plot?



Gandalf was a badly written mage, who talked too much.

[DaeFaron]

Deathwing, your opinion doesn't mean everybody believes the same as you do.

[Faerell Gustani]

Tolkein's mages and magic worked differently than most standard High Magic High Fantasy settings.



LotR was a Low Magic - High Fantasy.

[Wolfva2]

Gandalf was there as a guide, to help the people of Middle Earth stand up to Sauron. He was never meant to be the hero, and in fact was charged with hiding his power. He was there to inspire, not lead. Otherwise, he could have just fought Sauron face to face. They were both spirits of the Maia after all (or something like that, been a loooong time since I read the Silmirilion). One thing I've often wondered, though. Sauron was lord of Vampires and werewolves, yet he only used orcs and trolls. What, did he run out of vamps and volves?

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Sure a Fireball would work on a Firedemon... I think not... looking at teh Gandalf thing that is....



As for big beasties I would recommend entire team going ranged for then hiding behind pillars and such avoiding to be dragged in, it works perfectly that way.

[Black Kracken]

Take an inventory of the spells that Gandalf knows:



Levitate

Light

Knock

Telekineses



According to AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide, he is only a Level 2 Magic User.



In other words: Gandalf is Revenant food.

[Kaosgirl]

Jensonagain wrote...

And the overpowered mages in Dragon age should follow in Gandalfs footsteps.

We, unlike him, are not immortal.  Nor are we bound to silly codes of conduct, though the Aequitarians and Loyalists would like to change that.  If a spawn comes charging at me, hellbent on slipping his blade between my ribs, I'm not holding back just because I *might* be invoking overkill.  

And if some innocent schmuck gets caught in the crossfire, well collateral damage happens.  Better he die to my fireball, than I fall because I held back in some moronic streetfight and the darkspawn horde gets him.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

You also have to keep in mind that there are only like what, five wizards in Middle Earth?



Also it isn't like they "learned" magic, they were instead servants of the Vanir who had the greater tasks of serving Eru, Gandalf's name specifically means "wand and sword".

[Stronghold II]

Jensonagain wrote...

And the overpowered mages in Dragon age should follow in Gandalfs footsteps.

The only time a mage in dragon age should show their power is when fighting a demon or dragon so powerful that they have no choice but to push the limits of their magic to the max.

With that said....

Mages are powerful but should know when to use their power.

A mage killing a hurlock is sooooo tacky.....

Shame on all of you..

 I am not sure why, but I laughed at that man. Like outloud and evevrything.

[Dahelia]

Jensonagain wrote...

And the overpowered mages in Dragon age should follow in Gandalfs footsteps.

The only time a mage in dragon age should show their power is when fighting a demon or dragon so powerful that they have no choice but to push the limits of their magic to the max.

With that said....

Mages are powerful but should know when to use their power.

A mage killing a hurlock is sooooo tacky.....

Shame on all of you..

Yes...let me do nothing, see how far you get. Don't ask for heals either, know your own strength like Gandalf...

[Xeremius]

The OP seems to forget that Gandalf was playing "hide and sick" with Sauron.

Sauron knew Gandalf was with the ring bearer, and Gandalf knew that any powerful spell would reveal his presence to the "Eye"...

Just my 2 cents...

[bill4747bill]

Gandalf could not use his full power because it would allow Sauron to locate him. If my memory is correct.

[DJoker35]

A mage in one book was written one way, so every mage in every other story should be the same way.

[Trajan60]

YOU SHALL NOT PASS!

[chiliztri]

You Shall Not Paaaaaa

[Mordaedil]

[Madanial]

LOL!

[Jsmith0730]

You know... looking at that pic... has there EVER been a game where a magic class could wield a staff & sword? There needs to be one, IMO.

[Lughsan35]

One does not use a Nuclear Bomb when a simple 200lb convention HE bomb will do...

[Lughsan35]

Jsmith0730 wrote...

You know... looking at that pic... has there EVER been a game where a magic class could wield a staff & sword? There needs to be one, IMO.

This one.

Ultima

Wizardry

Might and Magic to name a few.

[Bonkz]

deathwing200 wrote...

Think about this:

If you were a powerful mage, would you prefer to obliterate your enemies from a long range with a fireball or fight like a chump with a sword and a staff? Why exactly should you "hold back" for weaker enemies other than as a part of badly written plot?

Gandalf was a badly written mage, who talked too much.

Sorry  but this was too stupid to read and not comment on it.

Gandalf a badly written mage? Seriously either you haven't read Tolkien or you are just ignorant.
In tolkiens universe mages would cast a spell only when it was important, they weren't show offs throwing fireballs around places. Magic was considered a serious force and not to play with.

As for the OP i agree to some extent. Ofc in a game you can't have a mage not throwing spells. Would be a waste to have one if you would not cast.

Edit: As two people above said about Gandalf not using his powers cause of fear he would found, that is correct.

Edited by Bonkz, 10 December 2009 - 09:17 AM.

[Jordi B]

In DA:O you can't wield a staff and sword at the same time.



Gandalf was (pretty much) immortal and a decent fighter. Maybe you can play Gandalf as an Arcane Warrior.

[Inarai]

Lughsan35 wrote...

Jsmith0730 wrote...

You know... looking at that pic... has there EVER been a game where a magic class could wield a staff & sword? There needs to be one, IMO.

This one.

Ultima

Wizardry

Might and Magic to name a few.

I think he means simultaneously. 

Incidentally, if there was some sort of limiting system to be put into place, I'd suggest it be based off of powerful spells causing demons to be more closely drawn to you.

[Wolfva2]

Remember, Gandalf wasn't actually a mage atall. He was an istari. Completely different class. But people called him a wizard because they didn't know what else to call him and being a secretive old bugger he never corrected them.