I'll start at... three coppers! 

Silver or go home!

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The numbers are pointing a certain direction, but I don't want to make a Dwarf thread at BSN until we can settle on a name.

 

People have said the Dwarf Support Thread sounds pessimistic. 

 

I have had a few votes for "Keeping up with the Cadashians."

 

Does anyone have other suggestions? Please chime in.

We could call it the Awesome Dwarf Thread Full of Awesome Dwarves!

More seriously: the elf thread here is called Arlathan. Maybe we could call ours Tapster's Tavern after that fine establishment in Orzammar?

(Elf thread: named after mysterious lost city. Dwarf thread: named after nearest pub.)

No, you always get the whole thing. Not very responsive to your world state, but at least it makes up for it by being completely hilarious?

I think maybe the attributes you like in games are simply not the attributes that I like in games. For instance, story, writing, design, and direction. Perhaps there are other attributes besides those that BG, Origins, DA2 and Inquisition all equally excelled at.

No, I'm pretty sure that I like all that stuff. I just think the writing, design and direction were just as good in Dragon Age: Inquisition were just as good as in DAO and DA2. Superior in some areas, actually. (The main story was indeed not as good. Until Trespasser, anyway.)

Opinions. We all have them.

My concern is that, on the one hand, Origins, ME1-2, etc, achieved legendary status presumably due to a combination of attributes discerning gamers with veteran taste approve of, but somehow, there is also a far larger population lurking out there in best buy stores with crap taste, willing to pay for tossing out those refined attributes, and some higher-ups in Bioware share that crap taste, and won't ever listen to the discerning, cultured minority gamers ever again.

This is where I appear in the conversation to point out that I have been playing BioWare games since Baldur's Gate and I loved Dragon Age: Inquisition. In fact, it's my second-favourite BioWare game after Baldur's Gate 2. So am I part of the discerning, cultured minority, or the majority with crap taste? Or am I some kind of mythical unicorn?

(In case it affects your answer: I love Origins and DA2 about equally. Just not quite as much as DAI.)

Yep they would have been. *Sigh*

Indeed. Little did I know when I said that that the thread would be lost forever by the end of October, likely long before we know what the Sekrit IP even is .

Dragon Age is dead?

 

When did this happen?

It didn't, as far as we know. Except in the fevered imaginations of some posters.

Bull betrays you if he's still loyal to the Qun - that is, if you sacrifice the Chargers. This happens regardless of his approval and regardless of whether you (or Dorian) romanced him. If you keep the Chargers alive, he becomes Tal'Vashoth and doesn't turn on you.

 

So why you apply this degree of certainty in your statements?

 

What Heimdall said. They told people that it was BioWare's most successful launch in a forum where they're not allowed to lie.

Spoilers ahead, obviously.

Short version: Blackwall is not really Blackwall, and not really a Grey Warden. He's a criminal named Thomas Rannier who was recruited into the Wardens by the real Blackwall. Unfortunately, Real!Blackwall died fighting darkspawn before he could put Rannier through the Joining, and Rannier took on his identity because he was on the run.

If you do his personal quest, he reveals this by admitting who he really is and turning himself in to the authorities. The Inquisitor then has the option of leaving him to hang or getting him out of prison.  If you don't do his personal quest, he eventually turns himself in to the authorities after Corypheus is defeated. This is why he's not in Trespasser  for you. I'm pretty sure there's a codex entry explaining it somewhere around Halamshiral.

Also, he is a truly excellent tank. You should use him if you ever replay the game.

Dragon Age: Inquisition was a critical success and as far as we can tell it made money. Why would they not make another one?

... I'm guessing that you probably haven't played Inquisition? We already met Morrigan's kid, and established that the Warden doesn't have any children unless he's male and romanced her and/or did the ritual. (The other exception is a male noble dwarf, who has the opportunity to sleep with a noble hunter during his origin story.)

Keep too???

WTF

The Keep isn't on the forums. It's a completely separate site and it's staying up.

Oh my god, I hadn't even thought about that. No experiencing the DA4 hype with my friends, no creating fan threads... I'm legit crying and I'm not even sorry about it.

This is awful.

It is .

I did not think I would ever tear up thinking of the Fishquisition (except possibly from laughter) or the time I filked One Day More at two in the morning the night before E3, but here we are. Those are kind of ridiculous thing that ONLY happens when you have dozens of people who love a particular game locked in a virtual room together - and there won't be anywhere like that for the development of DA4.

As someone who has joked about living on the Dragon Age forums since 2009, I'm pretty crushed by this. The forums haven't always been perfect, but some of my favourite DA memories have been on this forum - and I'm deeply saddened by the idea that I won't get to watch the development of DA4 or the Sekrit IP with the community I've been part of for seven years .

*shrug*

Given a binary choice, I'd prefer a new protagonist to a returning Inquisitor. I like having a new PC every game, and it's one of the reasons I prefer Dragon Age to Mass Effect. (My actual preference is for dual protagonists in DA4, but if I can't have that, I'd prefer for the Inquistor to retire honourably.)

But then, I loved DA2 and liked Hawke fine. (Not as much as I like having race selection, mind you.)

Female Cousland Warden, romanced Alistair, had him perform the ritual, became queen. Accidentally a complete Mary Sue! (In the 'everyone sympathetic loves her and everything goes right for her' sense, not the 'self-insert' sense. Any self-insert of mine would have screwed up way more.) Not my most interesting DA character ever, but not a bad place to start.

Female Warrior Hawke, extremely protective of her sister and by extension all mages. Aggressively pro-mage freedom. Romanced Sebastian, but she was BFFs with Anders and refused to kill him so that ... did not end so well.

Female Cadash Inquisitor. Did not believe in the Maker - or much of anything else - and did not understand why these crazy humans wanted to put her in charge of anything. Ultimately rose to the occasion, though, when she realised she was the only one who could save Thedas. Romanced Blackwall, but she sent him to the Wardens, so that also didn't end so well.

I am kind of hoping that whoever I romance in DA4 doesn't die and/or storm off threatening to start an Exalted March. At least the Warden and Alistair were happy until she had to go look for a cure?

I think 2017 is way too soon. They don't seem to be in full production yet. My current best guess is northern Spring 2019, following Mass Effect: Andromeda in 2017 and the Sekrit New IP in 2018.

 

I never thought I'd see abstract concepts born on the internet being used to categorize real life events.

The D&D alignment system dates back to 1977. (Well, the one with two dimensions. Original D&D only had Lawful, Neutral and Chaotic.) That predates general public access to the internet by quite a bit.

You bring a picture of them having the same surname, but has it ever occured to you that women who marry often take on their husband's surname?

Revka is definitely an Amell by birth. She's Leandra's cousin, the daughter of Fausten Amell who was Aristede Amell's brother.

Are the parents of the Magi Warden siblings?

If they were, I think a scandal would have affected the Amell family before the kids turned out to be mages. It's possible that Revka's husband took her surname because he was a commoner and she was a noble - there's plenty of precedent for that in our world. Alternatively, her husband could indeed have been another Amell, a cousin or second cousin.

(Some societies consider cousin marriage incestuous and others don't, but there's little evidence that it's particularly dangerous. The risk of serious birth defects is about 2% in the general population and 4% in the offspring of first cousins.)

Another example of Incest could be Sandal.

On the contrary - the rumour is that Sandal's mother was an elven or human mage. That's about as far from incestuous as a dwarf can get.

2)Straight Dwarven female(Dagna or Valta (now I personally think of Valta more that Dagna) .. but I'm sure that we have Harding as our spy / advisor)

 

Dagna isn't straight - she can end up with Sera at the end of Trespasser depending on certain player actions. She could still be a bisexual love interest, but I'd rather they use Harding and not break up Dagna and Sera in the world states where they got together. Valta would also be a cool option!

I don't really have a preference for a whole category of protagonists - I've played more than twenty different characters across all three games at this point. I've got favourite Wardens, but also favourite Hawkes and Inquisitors. If I had to pick, it would probably be the Inquistior, simply because they've got both voicing and race selection and I prefer that over silence and being stuck as a human.

There is no way I will ever play my favourite Warden in DA4, because she's dead. I think it's extremely unlikely that the Hero of Ferelden will be the protagonist in any future game, although hopefully we'll get to hear what the ones who are still alive are up to.

 I think the gender fluid person in the Last Flight might be a warrior, but is not a woman, being gender fluid, and is also little more than a single reference than an actual fully-formed character.

Lisme is a mage - Isseya mentions that their switches in gender presentation caused problems in the Circle. (Luckily the Grey Wardens do not give a damn if you wear a dress or a moustache or both, as long as you kill enough darkspawn.)

So I've been rewatching some old scenes including from Trespasser and something came up; can anyone tell me where the Inquisitor supposedly says the line about how their adventuring days are over?

Whether they say it or not depends on what dialogue option you choose when you're disbanding (or not disbanding) the Inquisition. Off the top of my head, I can't remember which options yield that response and which don't, though.