I personally can't do Adaar/Josephine; Adaar fits too well with Sera. Is anyone else particularly invested in female Lavellan/Josephine?

 

Yeah, that's what I romanced her with.  I started it late in the game though and wanted to redo it again but never go around to it.  I romanced her with a mage but I don't know if I'll go with a rogue next time.  A rogue would fit for the duel scene more at least.

Am I the only one that doesn't want the Inquisitor back as a dual-protag?

 

Or back again in anything ever again.

 

Never.

 

Ever.

 

Ever.

I think, considering he's only been a "villain" for one DLC, if you're bored with him already, then it means that what you're really bored with is your own imagination, going over the possibilities in this open-ended scenario.

 

There's a lot still to learn when we get to Tevinter. We don't even have a main character for this new chapter. It can't be the Inquisitor. I'm open to being surprised.

 

How about being bored with stories involving "ancient evil dude/thing that wants to destroy world".  I'm bored of that.

Good riddance.

Amen.

That doesn't necessarily indicate he believes Elves are inherently superior to others.

 

Not all elves, but some of them.  Like, the super special kind.

I don't think he wrote for ME3...

 

I hate to admit he had a hand in Jacob in ME2 though. That could have been.....better lol

 

I pretty sure Lukas is writing on ME:A though, so there's that.

 

And Jacob's romance scene was the only one I remember from ME2 so I'll give him that xD

I've made an elf with dark skin and light brown vallaslin but pure white isn't possible (without mods).

 

 

It's hard to get the color just right since it's easy to have it look pink-ish.

 

This character is using mods but vallaslin color is from the default CC.

 

I think you want something like in this mod though:

 

 

But this is a modded face texture with the valaslin drawn on.  But you're out of luck since you're on PS4.

While you and Honoko are focusing on how Sera was doing it all for herself, how her reasoning didnt make sense, how she blew off Inky's objections to her pranks i'm wondering how many soldiers and staff she made smile with her (selfish) antics. I know that there are at least 3 people who weren't happy namely the advisors. Well...4 people if you count the person that had to clean up Josephines mess or 6 if we count you and Honoko hehehe.

Leliana probably didn't mind the pranks. Well, she wasn't pranked but she also likes doing them herself so you can take her off the list xD

Does Druffy move faster when he's pissed at you and trying to kill you? Then it might be worth it just to get the quest done faster.

Dwarves never had Scottish accents in DA. The lack of "Dalish" accent for the Inquisitor in DAI is annoying though.

Sera seems to symbolize my stance with the whole game. I like her, but not DAI. Apparently, it's reversed for many others.

If it was up to me, there'd be a whole game of her shenanigans... and other rogue-ish characters. I wish the Inquisitor themselves had a more urban background in general.. and the game was mostly politics and screwing over nobles.

It's probably why I like Hawke too.

What about the dwarf Inquisitor? (Unless you don't like dwarves I suppose). I'm playing one now and it's more fun for me than the other backgrounds.

I just made a dwarf Inquisitor and she allied with some mages and chatted with Cassandra a bit afterwards.  They're going to be great friends.

 

That's horrible!   Why can't I dislike posts on here?

Second cousins, specifically. Leandra's cousin Revka Amell was Warden Amell's mother.

(Interestingly, the Codex and The World of Thedas establish that Warden Amell has more than one sibling, although they may never have actually met them.)

Yeah they have four siblings (all mages). I'm not sure how unusual that is. It seems very rare that 5/5 children would all be mages.

My first Hawke import was a blood mage who romanced Merrill.  Her brother was a Grey Warden and she respected what they had to do.

 

It was all weird.

 

I wanted Varric to say, "Go home Hawke, you're drunk."

I can't comment on the romance like - that sounds like racist. That said, I don't see how the issue with religion can be seen as racist. Despite the Dalish's desperate need to say that their cultural beliefs are the sine qua non of being elven and that one cannot be elven without adopting their culture, that's not really how it works. Apart from Sera's views at the temple of Mythal being confusing and kind of stupid (we basically don't even see anything that supports the idea that elven "gods" were anything more than powerful mages ala the Magisters), there's not much to take away from that particular scene.

That said, I object to people characterizing Sera as childish and immature, in the sense that she just needs the right person to have her "grow" out of her views. As weird as they are - and as quirky as she is - those views are more thought out than people give her credit for on this forum. It's sad she views elves as she does, and it's really depressing she actually loathes so much of what she is, but it's just not clear to me - apart from that romance line - that her views are actually racist.

Edit:
Also, you miss her point about the Creators. It's not about believing in those gods so much as it is asserting they could be real. She reacts the same way to magic and to the suggestion the Maker is "really real." She absolutely can't handle the supernatural, and finds it terrifying and overwhelming. She tries to rationalize everything in a way that makes sense to her self conception - "it's demons" - and she reacts badly to the suggestion to the contrary. She flips out the same way to an atheist Qunari or Andrastian human in that conversation after the temple of Mythal.

She doesn't like the Dalish at all, but that post-Mythal conversation is about a totally different hang-up.

Her romanced dialog post-Mythal is different for elves vs. the other races, though. I think it's all the same for every race if you don't romance her. Sera will break up with a Dalish Inquisitor if the Inquisitor doesn't agree that the Temple was all demon nonsense. With the other races, she doesn't offer the ultimatum and is okay to keep dating even if they refuse to agree.

Sera's biggest issue post-Mythal is a romanced Dalish. With a non-romanced Dalish, she's still fine with continuing the friendship even if you disagree. So I would say race does seem to be a factor here if in a romance. I'm not sure why but I imagine it's because she fears rejection by an elven girlfriend for not being"the right kind of elf" so dumps her first to prevent that from happening.

Honestly, I just use the female companions in every game.  Though, it works out for the most part, as they are a variety of combat roles.

Merrill built an eluvian from scratch so I'd say she knows more about them than most people alive.

 

I always thought Merrill taught herself about them in the years after leaving her clan.  It's possible she found herself in possession of some books that were in the Kirkwall Circle...some of her friends are thieves after all.

Given Merrill's obsession, the comparison is not entirely without merit.


I agreed to go with her when she asks for it. Because I don't want to see her get hurt. Either by demons of a Varteral. Marethari gives the knife to Hawke instead of Merrill (because reasons.) That's when Hawke gets drawn into this Dalish thing.

Yeah, Marethari broke the Dalish right Merrill invoked to get the knife. Hawke is an ass going along with that.

 

Love this picture. I got it from DA Confessions and I plan to use it next time someone says Leliana is somehow bad or evil when she is hardened or wrong for changing the laws as Divine.

 

I've never seen anyone argue that but they are way off if they do lol.  Most of her law changes are to help other groups she's not a part of and put her own life at risk from assassins.  Hardened Leliana just kills those fools.

Perhaps she thought the cure for the Calling was more important.  This was back when the mage/Templar conflict was the only thing going on atm.  Corypheus hadn't created the Breach yet.

 

I doubt they were going to force the Warden to lead the Inquisition so again, I don't see much reason for the Warden to be hiding out somewhere, unlike Hawke.  "I'm dying from the Calling" is a good reason to turn down the position.

Yeah, I agree that the real reason it worked out like it did is because the writers originally had other plans for the story.  As a fan, I'm cool with that.  The thing is, in practice, it still ends up feeling like a plot hole in that case, and since, through the Keep, I have complete control over the state of the world (well, maybe not complete, but you get the idea), I can choose not to use world states that feel inconsistent.  The problem is in this specific case, I was thinking about whether to create an Inquisition playthrough to follow up my City Elf, whose character arc I really enjoyed, but for whom the Leliana romance was a critical aspect.  So I'm left with creating a plot hole that versus just using a different Warden, the latter of which is the easier path because I have plenty of Wardens, but is a little disappointing since I can't tell a consistent story with one of my favorites.

 

It's sorta like how despite all my Wardens, I've never done the Ultimate Sacrifice ending (except once in a deleted save for the cheevo), because you can't carry over a world state from Origins to Awakening that keeps the Warden's death.  The decisions are mine, but I can't bring myself to knowingly make one that makes the story inconsistent.

 

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you then if you want to minimize plot holes and it is a plot hole if you take the DA2 ending at face value.  All my Wardens romanced Leliana but I guess I got over how their intent with DAI Warden didn't line up with DA2 Warden.  Honestly, they probably didn't have much of a plan back in DA2 except keep the Warden's whereabouts unknown and mysterious.  Taking DA2 ending at face value gives us some bizarre things..if Leliana believed the Warden/Hawke's disappearances are linked and knows the Warden went to find the Calling, does she believe Hawke went to help the Warden?   Why the heck would Hawke do that?  Hawke/Warden likely never met and the only link between them would exist if the Warden was a human mage (they would then be related so Hawke would be helping out a relative...you could argue this would work if Bethany/Carver are Grey Wardens and Hawke wanted to find a cure for them).  But this won't work for every Warden so seems random.

 

I'm pretty sure the intent with DAI is that Leliana knows the Warden went far away to cure the Calling but can't find her to be leader of the Inquisition (this is all before the Breach) so she wasn't lying.

 

Edit:  I guess if you wanted to, you could fix it with headcanon and say the Warden didn't tell Leliana where they were going at first and just left.  Leliana finds out later about the Calling mission through her Agents (who may have spotted the Warden going west) or perhaps she found a note the Warden left.  The Warden might have been in a hurry to go after a very promising lead and didn't get a chance to track Leliana down and tell her.

The problem I have though is that if you talk to Cassandra after Varric reveals he was lying, she mentions the Warden was their first choice all along to lead the Inquisition. It was only after the Warden couldn't be located that they went after Hawke. And at the end of Dragon Age 2, Leliana states that she believes the disappearance of the two heroes is "no coincidence". But if Leliana knew why the Warden left and where s/he was going (in a general sense), it doesn't gel that she would think Hawke's "disappearance" is related. Nor does it seem like she couldn't have had word sent earlier on so that the Warden could just give Cassandra an explicit "no, busy, sorry" reply.

Like, with Varric, he states that he hid Hawke's location because he thought the Seekers would more or less have him/her martyred (intentionally or not). It's not necessarily a good excuse, from a narrative standpoint, but at least it's there. Leliana doesn't even offer that as far as I've seen (and if she does, that's what I want to know about, because otherwise I can't bring myself to use a Leliana-romanced world state in DAI), nor does Cassandra ever seem concerned with the idea that Leliana also lied, without even having a reason to.

 

I take the end of DA2 with a grain of salt since they probably changed their minds a few times on what they were going to do with the Warden/Hawke since then.   There was an interview I read with Jennifer Hepler (posted recently in the Twitter thread - I can find it if you want) where she mentioned at one point they considered having both Hawke/Warden show up in Inquisition.  It's possible they originally did want those two to be off doing something together (if the Warden was alive) but this got rehashed into what we see today and the Warden had to go off on some wild goose chase just to get them away from the events of the game.

 

If the Warden was available to lead the Inquisition, why would Leliana hide that? 

I've been working on a new world state in the Keep, but I try to put things together in ways that stay consistent with the story, so I'm curious: is there any sort of explanation or excuse given for why Leliana thought the Warden disappeared if the two of them were involved?  I tried to find references to this, but they all make it sound like Leliana knew what the Warden was up to all along.  Did Leliana simply lie to Cassandra or was this completely glossed over?

 

Leliana doesn't know where the Warden is at exactly.  She can't summon them like Varric did with Hawke.  Hawke could have been made Inquisitor if Varric was honest upfront.  

 

Leliana can get a letter to the Warden half-way through the game well after a new Inquisitor was already found.  We don't know if she always could do so but how would that help anyway?  The Warden is far far away.

With apologies to all of my friends who really wanted to play elves... yes, absolutely. I never liked the Inquisitor much, and getting to play Hawke reversing her fortunes from DA2, preferably with some old companions, would have been much more fun for me.

 

That's how I feel.  I don't like the Inquisitor at all and think they're the dullest protag BW has ever created.  Oddly, the Inquisitor did make me appreciate my Wardens more.