Is not as if i have any reason to trust two psychopaths like Morrigan and Flemeth not to mention Urthemiel himself god among slaves, they are all totally trustworthy and benign.Morrigan herself in DAO is very malign.

That is such a wilful disregard of everything that has ever been established in the Dragon Age franchise that I am honestly and absolutely astonished you could actually write it with a straight face. It is almost as if everyone within every single instalment from companions (Fenris, Dorian) to villains (Calpernia) did not tell us the same things, that Tevinter is a country in ruins where palaces of mages rise above slums, where every mage must use blood magic or be destroyed by his rivals, that little child are slaugthered at parties to entertain guests, that corruption is rampant, etc, etc, etc.

The level of delusion, hypocrisy and lack of self awareness contained in your post is of such a degree that, quite frankly, I would have an hard time pointing every which way in which it betrays everything else you post on these forums. I could begin with your supposed disgust of the racial persecution committed during the fall of the Dales while simultaneously finding justification for Tevinter's enslavement of the entire elven race based upon nothing but you wish to see mages elevated above those without it, which is itself a form of racial persecution; I could also perhaps mention the absolute ridiculousness of defending the sack of Orlesian cities as necessary for Dalish security while, at the same time, condemning Orlais for destroying the Dales for its own security but, honestly, judging from everything I have seen spouted by you, I seriously doubt you would take all of two second to contemplate it all and, quite frankly, I'm not one to talk to myself.

I will just leave you to argue with TKS, you are more on each other's level.

They also have templars - instead of the corrupt Orlesian Chantry who serves the whims of rich and powerful orleasian nobles, the templars of the Imperium serve the mages and magisterium directly. That is how it should be in every corner of the world. Mages can clearly take care of themselves they do not need the Chantry. Such a frightening truth it must be for them. That is why they spout their propaganda against Tevinter and have more than once declared Exalted March against the Imperium - to no avail, of course. 

There are so many insane things about just this fraction of his post that I don't even know where to begin.

First and foremost, an elven supporter supporting the empire that destroyed the elves.

Second, claiming that Templars follow the rule of Orlesian nobles when not once have we seen any evidence of this.

Third, while simultaneously claiming that the Chantry is corrupt because it serves Orlesian nobles, praising the Templars in Tevinter for serving mage nobles.

Fourth, claiming that Templars serving mage rulers is proof of how mages don't need the Chantry despite the fact this is actually evidence of how Thedas needs the Chantry because there are mage rulers with personal armies of Templars who don't watch out for corruption.

Fifth, claiming that Tevinter Templars aren't corrupt despite it being a known fact supported by numerous sources from Fenris to Lambert and Dorian that they are blocked in every attempt to bring mages to justice, serve mages and don't even have Templar abilities.

So, really, what the ****?
 

 

Some Circles of Magi prohibit relationships, that's stated by the devs. And in the other circles you would still need permission from the Chantry to get married.

 

Mages are locked up in towers, watched 24/7 by heavily armed drug addicts and constantly told how they're dangerous and cursed. And you don't think that's degrading? Do you remember Keili in the Mage Origin and Broken Circle quest in DA:O? She's one of the mages you meet where you find Wynne...and ends up believing whole-heartedly that mages are evil and deserve to die because they somehow committed an offense against the Maker that caused him to curse them at birth with being a mage. She should be the poster child for chantry/templar brainwashing toxicity (unless you seriously believe that Keili arrived at those thoughts entirely on her own).

 

Mages are provided with a quality of life far above the common average Thedosian where they don't have to fear starvation, cold, homelessness, illiteracy, bandits, darkspawn, etc.

Are there restrictions to their freedoms? Yes, but for good reasons and they are given much in return.
 

You know, Keili is the only mage we have seen harbouring these thoughts. Let's not act as if this a normal and frequent result of life in a Circle.

Monsters are made not born. Chantry has already proven to be hilariously incapable when it comes to protecting the world from the dangers of magic - they have only managed to make things so much worse. 

When Uldred, a Senior Enchanter possessed by a Pride Demon, one of the most powerful demons in existence, created a veritable army of Abominations, undead, demons and ensnared Templars, there was not a single civilian casualty.

Whereas, when Meredith's sister was possessed by a demon, she killed 72 people.

What is the different between these two cases? Uldred was in the Circle, Meredith's sister was not. So, while the Chantry can't prevent every single incident, their methods have proven to be very much effective.

And, of course, the existence of societies free from Magisters is a statement to the effectiveness of the Circle system.

That doesn't make them any less guilty. It was their weakness that Corypheus exploited. It's in human nature to desire more power.

Does that not apply to Circle mages? Or are Alrik and others entirely at fault there?

As the system of punishment through banning becomes ineffective due to the forum closing down, how many users will simply disregard all rules? It should be interesting to see just how chaotic the forums will become as we near the 25th.

I said Circle mages. Chantry has self-declared themselves as the ones responsible for mages (to protect the world from them, of course...) so when ever their "perfect system to control the mages" fails (as it so often does) they are responsible. 

So, if the children in a school become unruly or simply grow to be less than pleasant human being, that is the fault of the institution?

Or what if prisoners riot? Is it the fault of the staff?

Because there can't simply be greedy, stupid, power hungry, cruel people?
 

I think WOT says mages are used in exalted marches like against Tevinter and the Dales

Just like you think it said "magic was inherently evil". Yeah.
 

Same reason they lock away mages. It's convenient to have the most powerful beings at your disposal, if you have to, lets say, declare an Exalted March against the Qunari or the elves or Tevinter...

In which way has the Chantry ever used the mages?

Even in Exalted Marches, the only ones we know for sure they fought in were against the Qunari and the Darkspawn, which threatened all of human life.
 

Alrik was a templar extremists. It's men like him who are in positions of power and then abuse that power, that are to blame for every Circle Mage who snaps and for all the innocents they kill. It's these men who drive people like Anders over the edge. They alone are to blame - them and the Chantry,

So, all mages are innocent  and would never harm another soul unless pushed to it? Am I understanding you correctly?

Laws are made by man and thus can be changed. Of course the Chantry claims it's "the Maker's will." Chantry has for hundreds of years spread it's propaganda and lies about magic... that is why so many people fear it. Their fear gives Chantry power. 

How does fear of magic give the Chantry power?

Why you compare mages to natural disasters is beyond me.

You keep saying that magic is something natural hence good.

However, tornadoes, volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamies, flesh eating diseases are all part of nature too.

Right, also they shouldn't conceal their templars' abuses and punish them too, or are you against the idea?

Of course not.

Yes, it literally says that. Other people who have read WOT can confirm it

WOT vol 1 pg 111

I'm still trying to decide whether you're stupid or just a liar. It does not say that.

It says that "Magic is a corrupting influence in the world." 

Corruptive and corrupting do not mean "inherently evil". It simply means that it has a potential for evil or a potential to deviate from its original purpose.

Magic is dangerous, just like all these templars with their big swords and lyrium addictions.

Point me to a Templar child that could destroy a city.

I point you to Connor.

Chantry isn't natural, it was created by mankind but magic and mages are natural. 

So? Society is not natural, it was created by mankind.

Volcanoes are natural. In which would you prefer to live?

Magic is a tool and every tool can be used by malicious people for their own ends, just like templars who abuse their power and rape mages.

And, evidently, there needs to be measures in place to prevent and punish such abuses.

Much like there needs to be measures in place to control magic.

Chantry isn't natural, it was created by mankind but magic and mages are natural. 

So? Society is not natural, it was created by mankind.

Volcanoes are natural. In which would you prefer to live?

 Do you think pre-Veil Thedas had abominations at every corner or something like that? I imagine creation of the Veil caused these demon possessions since spirits were locked away after Veil.

So? Even if that was true, before the Veil there were god-like mages who enslaved everyone else in the world.

Ergo, magic is dangerous.

Mages are tornadoes now? Mages are people, not some disaster.

You weren't talking about mages, you were talking about magic.

Which is natural, certainly. And a menace. And natural menaces can be very abundant. Think of diseases.

The existence or lack thereof of the Maker is irrelevant in regards to the dangers of magic.

People should remember that WOT says the chantry's most important doctrine is that magic is an inherently evil force.

That alone should explain a lot

Are you so stupid that you can't read properly or do you just want to misinform people by manipulating information?

World of Thedas calls it a corruptible gift, not evil.
 

How can something natural be a "menace"?

Tornadoes are natural but I imagine you wouldn't walk into one.
 

I actually agree with you on this particular point. It's just that for every time you shoot down Elves being able to genuinely improve in Thedas, I can't recall you ever giving ways that they could. For me personally, while the trope of downtrodden Elves in Dragon Age was a great contrast to the more popular Mary Sue variety in modern genre fiction, I feel it has become a creative dead end. Been there, done that.

 

So how would you improve the story of Elves in Dragon Age? I'm not asking that they be made superior or equal to human civilization, even I know such a radical shift would betray themes and internal consistancy of the series thus far. Just something, anything to make the story progress beyond another rerun of "Thedas takes a dump on the Elves". Oh, and unlike some, I don't need the tale of Elves rising to happy, just different.

 

To answer my own question, my personal take on possible Elven storylines are here: https://forum.biowar...spin-off-games/. It's not perfect by any means, but it's something.

 

So out of curiosity, do you still have issues with settings where magic is available to everyone, rather than being a genetic recessive?

Were I writing the story, I would give the elves an actual homeland and have it be populated by elves from across all nations in the continent. And then the game is about watching Dalish, Andrastian, Ferelden, Orlesian, Tevinter, etc elves just trying to coexist within their nation and keep it.

I don't have issues with magic being something available to everyone. I have issues with stories that treat it like it's no big deal whereas, in real life, it would change everything from a personal, cultural, economical, religious standpoint,

They're not going to change their mind.

What we need to do now is figure out where we're going to rebuild.

It was Miranda that actually led to me finding the old BSN soon after ME2 released.

She was and is my favourite companion in a videogame and this is still my favourite place in the forums.

Open the Off Topic for the last couple weeks.

Shepard's Paint Adventures, who is saving that?

GameFAQs is one of the worst communities this side of tumblr.  It's full of hardcore Nintendrones that... okay, a few years ago they had a big character battle.  Single elimination voting thing, whole bunch of gaming characters and every day people can vote on a different match.  Link pretty much always wins them.  Well this time, Reddit decided to rally on a LoL character.  What followed truly defies description.  The GameFAQs' reaction made the backlash at ME3's ending look tame.  I saw people literally threatening to kill the site admin's wife and daughter if he didn't reverse the decision and give it to Link.

 

I've seen a lot of crazy things in my 23 years on the Internet, but that was definitely in the top ten.  GameFAQs is tumblr tier.  And not the reasonable side of tumblr, the pro-genocide side of tumblr.

da fuq?