My fellow Tevinter lovers, I come here today to bid you all a fond adieu. It was fun while it lasted, and mayhaps someday down the road, we shall meet on another forum, and pass each other in different posts, but not knowingly as we recognize another former BSNer...

 

Basically, it was very nice to chat with you all and I'll miss our conversations. See you in Tevinter.

Vitae benefaria.

Just registered, Lady A, if I could get approved please.

I hate posting this buuut... >_______>

Oh yes, I remember her. Kinda nuts.

For what it's worth, below is my tumblr. Mostly it's just Overwatch right now, but there's a decent plethora of other stuff in there too. Beware, sometimes it can get a little NSFW if you go further back from 2014. 

 

I'll join up later this evening, Lady A. 

I wish you all nothing but the best. Maybe we shall meet again somewhere else in the coming years, but if not, take care.

Nothing gold can stay, ma'am.

Forums will be closed in a month. Just thought you all ought to know, so you can save anything you need to now while you have the chance.

The Forum is gonna be closed in a month and I am so furious right now. They claim to care about their fans, then shut down one of the few places we can interact. I'm honestly disgusted with them.

Pretty sure there is no actual Divine right of inheritance doctrine in Thedas at all. That's a real world thing. Nobles do as they wish simply because they can, and it has nothing to with Chantry doctrine. Pretty sure there is nothing in the Chant or Andraste's teachings that proscribes such action.

Solas is so not going to be our worst problem #evanuris #still2archdemons #sourceoftheblight #mythalisn'tdoneyet #andthentitans #completedoom

Perhaps not. But he's the only major problem that is active at this moment.

I've read a codex yesterday about the ancient tev magisters studying the fade back in the times and trying to map it, it said they found about 12 domains of lord demons (something like this, game isn't in english) before they realised the fade was always changing and gave up on this research

Indeed. That codex is also in WoT. The Fade was ever changing, so attempting to map it out resulted in failure.

I am curious that Dorian was able to use Necromancy despite not being a Mortalitasi, then again considering that the practice began with a Tevinter it would be natural that the Tevinters have a variety of the school of magic. I wonder if they have any useful information on the older more powerful demons. I always imagined that there exists a hierarchy of Demon Lords and other powerful Fade entities that we just haven't encountered yet. The existence of Nightmare, a being so ancient who knows Solas' true identity and so powerful we can only fight a fragment of it before sacrificing a hero to escape it, have mollified my desires, but I hope we encounter more unique and personable demons and spirits in Tevinter. Every noble family could have a patron spirit like the Roman household gods that they venerate.

I don't think they necessarily would venerate a given spirit as a patron, but perhaps they have bound given demons or entities to the bloodline to call upon in times of need.

 

And yes, there is undoubtedly a bit of demonic hierarchy, though I imagine that much of it is only known to the demons themselves. I imagine that over the years that Tevinter has begun to glimpse a bit of it, but probably nowhere near the entire scheme. We have the Forbidden Ones for sure, those demons who have demonstrate power beyond that which we have seen from the garden variety of demon. And if it was indeed true that they were once of the ancient elvhen, the Forbidden Ones would indeed be a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully the Formless One will give us a good showing in the next game. Then of course, we have the Nightmare, a demon of fear that has fed upon the dreams and nightmares of Thedas for millennia. I imagine there are other such complex beings that would grow fat upon the specific and complex vices of their given targets.

 

And I imagine that there are at least a decent few more demon lords of Nightmare caliber hidden within the deepest abyss of the Fade or perhaps walk among us now unseen. Who knows? I find this kind of Thedosian demonic study quite fascinating really. 

I wonder how Tevinter views demonic possession and demons in general? Natural predators that weed out the weak, useful minions to use in a bind, or general nuisances more than anything else?

Spirits are normal to be summoned, I believe, as Dorian's necromancy suggests. Also, I believe that according to WoT, simple spirits are often used as servants for mage nobility. Demons, the kind that are summoned via blood magic, are probably not permitted by the Black Divine. That said, I imagine it's a kind of "it's only bad if you get caught" kind of scenario. 

 

As for possession, I would imagine that they'd consider whoever got possessed to be weak for falling prey to a demon, and would terminate the abomination with a prejudice, if not keep the creature to be studied. 

 

I think Tevinter has had a lot of practice dealing with and neutralizing demons.

Unfortunately, I can't. I don't see a way in which a plot that allows for Solas to be killed could be good.

Ummm, protecting the world from a genocidal maniac isn't good? 

I think the whole point of the relationship was to show how unhealthy and how one sided it is, and how Celene had done Briala wrong, terribly so. I think they do love each other sincerely, but Celene made terrible choices. I thought Briala leaving her was a good way for TME to show it.

What really pissed me off was seeing their "reconciliation" in DAI. I don't care how much you love someone. That woman killed your parents, lied to you about it for over a decade, and yet you still reconcile? That kind of backwards writing made my blood boil. What the hell were they thinking?

I actually don't like either of the characters, but Briala deserved better than that.

Lol, different stroke, different folks. The joys of having options in an RPG. I won't begrudge your choice as long as you extend the same courtesy to me.

(Pardon the wall of text in advance, please.)

When was a thinned veil able to be mended? I know we've defeated the stuff that's pressed through in those spots, but the veil stayed thinned, didn't it?

I'd be wary of any ancients we awoke if for no other reason than they may very well try to kill Solas once they get their bearings. And yeah, they could be mad at the rest of the world and end up causing their own chaos. I'd definitely be wary. But this is people's lives at stake, so I'd take the chance. One at a time. With precautions. And a psychiatrist on hand if possible.

I don't think he'd succeed against the Evanuris. I think he's underestimating them. They've had all this time to plot their revenge against him. Even if they've been prone and not able to actually work on their spellcraft in preparation for him, and they likely have, that level of spite is just not something you go up against easily. They'll act in ways he won't predict. Its basically guaranteed. If he goes against them alone, he's dead.

I'd definitely want to be there and help b/c, regardless of Solas' plans, I think the Evanuris are going to be a threat to all people of good will. One or two of them might be ok, or at least were at one time. But now? Even if someone were semi-reasonable before (which they may very well not have been, but for argument's sake), they're not likely to come out of thousands of years of imprisonment all that sane. Especially when its imprisonment that likely involved at least some form of "torment", if Solas had his way.

Lol. I was saying to be wary of them because they might help Solas carry out his plan of genocide, not because they might kill him.

I'm personally in the kill Solas camp, myself. If they prove to be non agreessive nor threatening, then I'd let them go on their way. But if they pose any sort of perceived threat, I would have no issue with killing them to protect the rest of Thedas. One ancient elf has already cause mayhem that has spanned nations. We don't need more of that on our hands.

Tears in the veil were known before DAI , and yes you could mend them with mages and magic .http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Veil
It is supposed to be difficult though.

Quite. We have seen it so far only with an upper level demon, a high level spirit, and then a century old blood mage.

I'd imagine Tevinter has a way to do it too, otherwise I would figure their Veil would have been destroyed years ago. That said, I imagine that's almost permanently thin in that country.

I find this quest much more pleasant when one completely ignores TME.

Kinda hard to ignore established canon material, but ok.

I may want to bring down the veil, provided it can be done without killing everyone. Its the natural state of Thedas to have no veil. And the veil is thinning by itself overtime anyway, so eventually that damn will burst. Better it be controlled than not. If bringing it down without massive harm is not possible, then I'd like to find a way to repair and upkeep the veil without harming anyone. So, if there are ancient elves trapped in uthenera or the Fade as some speculate, then I'd work with him to figure out how to get them out.

Basically, "Solas, I'll work with you. Just stop being stupid." lol

He meant it to be forever at the time, I suppose? Like, the imprisonment was supposed to be self-perpetuating as long as the veil was up?

And maybe he is banking on them being weakened by whatever their imprisonment has done to them (I sincerely doubt it was just them being confined to a tower all this time), and hoping he can take them now with his power boost? Or is planning to boost himself further before he opens the prison? Or perhaps he hopes that they'll be disoriented enough by the chaos of a veiled world and/or the dropping of the veil that he can get a nuke off before they notice?

Either way, he is apparently planning on dealing with the Evanuris when he drops the veil so his "world of the elves" will not be imperiled. If he succeeds, of course. If he fails, apparently it was worth the risk. :/

On the grand scale, for the ancient elves, it was perhaps more natural, but there is absolutely no guarantee that the other races could survive either the transition or even live necessarily in a world saturated with so much magic.

Also, we have no conclusive proof that the Veil was thinning on its own, as tears and rips were able to be mended even before the big Breach.

As to the elves that still lie asleep (if they have managed to survive), I would be very wary, as there is no guarantee that they'll not treat this world harshly, in the same vein as Solas.

And for the Evanuris, he got the drop on them once. Just because they were trapped does not mean that their power waned necessarily. And to be honest, it would not be surprising if they somehow know that Fen'Harel is coming for them, and have planned accordingly.

Solas will probably try to boost himself further. He may have Mythal's "power" now, but I still think he needs a somnaborium to bring down the Veil, as he still lacks an orb. Then, he may be able to fight them. But even then, there are still a bunch of them and one of him. I do not think he will get off lightly in this second showdown.

We have been over this. The policy makes no logical sense. It goes against the lore and what they're all about. And it exists solely to make the Circle system look like the only good alternative. Just to shut people up about alternative magic systems becuz Bioware is about "Muh grey morality!"

 

And then after that comes the Avvar with their mages. Let it never be said that Bioware plans things out carefully and cares about consistency.

It kind of sounds more so as if you are merely unhappy with the way Bioware has chosen to paint the narrative, instead of the way you idealize it to be.

Here's an idea for an Origins for Elves in the next game. We play as an Elf who was in Uthenera for millennia and have to cope with the new world we find ourselves in. Kind of like Fallout 4, instead of 200 years make it 2000 years. If not our PC then a companion perhaps? Then again they did something similar with Solas and again with Javik... Maybe we just find one buried under Minrathous to serve as our source of information? I don't know, just a thought, probably unlikely but still just a thought.

I really don't want one, to be honest. It's been done before, and I think the game needs to be grounded in the current people of Thedas, not those of its past.

That said, if such an elf had to be in the next game, as a cool twist, I'd like to see an elf that had perhaps supported the Forgotten Ones.

I just hope they don't too much follow the Trespasser thing where almost all the elves are some sort of terrorist or traitor, except the one who doesn't like anything elfy.

I doubt it. I think there'll be a good number who don't heed the Call. But, to be fair, Solas probably throws one hell of a sales pitch to those elves who suffer under the current institutions of power.

I wonder if the old elves had an equivalent to the Circles where they taught their mages to use their powers?

Also, do we actually know for sure yet if they all had magic?