While I was really hoping they would go the Dragon Age 2 route, as long as Cassandra is romancable by a Fem!Inquisitor, I'll be happy.

 

My fingers are sooooo crossed. That is the one piece of news I'm waiting for, I am sated about everything else.

I don't think the contrast is high enough between the text and the grey background. I personally think that the background needs to be a much darker grey, like the old BSN. The old forum had it right. My eyes are no longer straining from blinding white, but from trying to focus on the light text on a light background.

Welcome to the Dark Star Lounge!

 

This group is different than your average character discussion. The original idea was to make this a collective creative board for Miranda. The different group threads representing different areas around The Dark Star Lounge, a relaxed night club located on the Zakera Ward of the Citadel. As I thought on it, I wanted this place to be more than just talking about Miranda and her story, which is certainly a large part, but also to be a place where her fans could get together and talk about anything. The areas include chatting up people at The Bar in General Discussion, to letting loose and allowing your creativity run wild at The Dance Floor, and maybe even checking up on the mysterious blonde woman in The VIP Lounge (Yvonne Strahovski news and discussion). 

 

This group is a work in progress, so different areas will begin to open up as they become complete. Feel free to post any suggestions in the general discussion thread, or send me a PM so we can further flesh out the intro story to the new section. 

Your fingers slide around the rim of the cooled glass, bubbles arise evenly, popping as they reach the open air, disrupting the emerald liquid inside. Condensation was now accumulating on the crystal, racing in watery trails down the side of the glass. It leaves reflective rings on the surface of the bar as you bring the drink to your lips. Voices echo around you, indistinguishable over the loud music. Out of the corner of your eye you notice the doors of the lounge open, no doubt letting in more patrons to fill the already crowded space.

 

A dark haired woman ascends the steps onto the open floor of the lounge, her boots clicking upon the ground as she approaches the bar. Silently gesturing towards the bartender, she glances in your direction, her eyes gleaming as the neon shines off the reflective surface.

 

Hey Everyone, this is the General Discussion thread, also known as The Bar. So feel free to chat up the other patrons, order a drink, ask the bartender about local news, (talk about Miranda), the works. Have fun!

Mesina2 wrote...

She looks very good to me.


*marked for first romance*

This is exactly how I feel. Oh how sad I'll be if she isn't a romance option.

JusticarFlareon wrote...
Playersexual=/=Bisexual

Get it right. If you romance [insert character] as a [insert gender], the only way you know [insert same character] is bisexual is metagaming.

Someone gets it! You go you.

Lawrence0294 wrote...
Damn really....could you tell me...these things really creep me out 

Haha, alright, she's on the fourth floor at the fancy hotel.

She may, or may not be, the ghost girl, but they both are creepy events in the city and are the same model...so I assume they are related in some way.

I've also heard that there is something weird written on the back of one of the timetables in Lumiose Station, but I haven't checked that out for myself yet.

Lawrence0294 wrote...
Oh no...only once.
She walked behind me and said "nope, you ain't the one i'm looking for"

She shows up another place in the city too, but I'll let you find that for yourself.

Not as creepy the second time, still odd though.

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Damn, whats the deal with the gohst in Lumiose ?

To freak you out.  You saw her both times, yeah?

Can Franky Doyle/Nicole da Silva be a DA:I love interest? Uncanny, I love your gif of her.

Ahem, anyway...Cassandra...again...yep.

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Everything with Shepard and Miranda in a romance.

This pretty much sums it up. 

Blackrising wrote...

EJ107 wrote...
I actually quite like that Bioware leave gender out of it for the most part, and that the conflicts arise from the relationship itself and do not generally differ between genders. You don't see that much. 

*Snip*
But god, why is a gay character's story so often reduced to them being gay? 

This is exactly the point I was trying to explain earlier, much simpler here.

syllogi wrote...

I'm going to ask again, please, everyone, when someone comes into this thread to debate the bi and/or playersexuality issue, could we all bring it back on topic? This was a thread created to talk about what kind of f/f romances players want. This thread *will* be locked if people indulge the rude, selfish people who ignore the intended topic to whine about a subject that has been beaten to death.

To come into this thread just to complain about the sexuality of DA characters is either deliberately trying to get the thread locked, in which case you're a jerk, or you genuinely don't care about the wishes of players who actually want their female player characters to have the ability to romance female non-player characters, in which case you're being selfish, rude, or at the very least, thoughtless.

You are very right, and I apologize for indulging. I was only trying to clarify my opinion, as it was being miscontrued. In summation to all of the ranting, I don't care if the characters are player-sexual or have a defined sexuality, all I desire is to romance Cassandra with a female protagonist.

WildOrchid wrote...
All of this... but don't bother, everyone has explained the term playersexuality but nodoby seems to understand.

Also, a plea: Can I use your Cassandra sig as well?

Oh yes, I am quite done with that now.

And, of course.

Qyla wrote...
a videogame is a videogame but in this dev tries to make another world and believably telling us a story about this world. Only because you don't know something it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. For example until Merril talks to Hawke and explains that's due to the whole Eluvian thing that she started to use blood magic you didn't know why and how Merril learned it, but that doesn't mean that i she didn't tell you that it didn't happened. Character don't just appear. In their world they have lived a whole life before meeting your chara, you just don't know about that. 

Regardless, it will always be a video game world, and not everything will be realistic, no matter what it is. Unless it's stated or implied that someone is one thing over the other, the characters effectively lack a sexuality. They're pixels on a screen. It literally does not exist. Lore of a character is not the same thing as a single character trait. Life of a character before they met you is known but not seen, a specified character trait is non-existent until shown otherwise.

has ever any writer said this? A word form them would mark the end of this endless discussion, but otherwise you can't affirm this as it is the one and only truth. 

If you understood the difference between the two terms, it is truth, unless stated or implied otherwise (do you see why this concept is being repeated over and over?). Sexuality, in much of the game, is used as a game mechanic, not a defining trait of the character. There are more fleshed out character personal lives that qualify to the exception. Isabela being a previously used example. Due to her described personal life it is implied that she bisexual (notice that I said implied, this not mean that she IS bisexual). In contrast, a character like Merrill, her past romantic related pursuants or interests are unspecified, therefore, her known sexuality shows when a player pursues the romance, regardless of gender. It is otherwise non-existent. Hence being player-sexual.

I have never seen even a hint of homophobia in DA and it's most unlikely to be ever shown just to avoid the whole "Bioware is homophobic" thing.

No no no no, homophobia is so not what I meant. I have always been proud of how supportive Bioware is of romances other than hetero. You interpreted that in the complete OPPOSITE direction. This has absolutely nothing to do with "homophobia". That will forever be something you brought into the conversation, not I.

People can't "happen to be homosexual" someone can have those preferences or not. The fact that those tendency are shown or not doesn't matter: their are there, just like...I dunno...the "red hair" genetic trait. Maybe it isn't shown, but it's there.

Example from DA2: Anders tells only to male Hawke that he was in love with Karl but that doesn't mean that if Hawke is female tha didn't happened. I had the feeling that he was in a relationship with Karl since I saw his reaction to Tranquil Karl. Maybe it's just that he doesn't feel like to share that thing.

Example from real life: I have a boyfriend and I'm a  female. So you would say "she's straight" so...am I straight? Nope. I am bisexual but my preferences don't change because i bonded with a male and the fact that I didn't tell him that I'm bisexual it doesn't mean that I'm not, I just didn't tell him. (Oh yes, I'm soooo homophobic! )

My meaning on the topic is going completely over your head. You don't understand the difference between identifying someone as "that gay person" vs. "the person with blue eyes who just so happens to be gay". Notice that being gay is not the defining factor. You do not identify someone as that "straight person", they are just a person. Just as a "gay person" is just a person, there is no reason to throw "gay" in there as if it is not a normal occurrence.

As for your RL example. No. As I wrote up above, A F/F or M/M romance does not mean a person is homosexual, just as a F/M romance does not mean someone is heterosexual. You really should read more carefully.

I can't explain the difference between the concepts any simpler than I already have. I'm sorry if you still don't understand. It's time to move on.

Maria Caliban wrote...
Isabela wasn't bisexual?

Right. Some people are *sure* that the companions in DA II were bisexual. Some people are *sure* that they were playersexual. It's nice that you have a personal preference but your opinion is not fact and you shouldn't declare it to be.

At no point was I declaring anything I said as fact. If it was seen as such, then I apologize.

I specifically stated that "unless otherwise specified". Twice, in-fact. Perhaps you missed that?

Maybe the wording is better understood written as "implicitly determined" by means of player?

I consider my sexuality an identifying trait. It's fine if you don't feel the same about your sexuality, but perhaps you shouldn't demand that of others.

I was not demanding anything of anyone. If you wish to be identified by your sexuality, then that is your perogative, you may believe however you choose, I'm not going to challenge you. It is in my opinion that identifyablility by sexuality should not be a thing in a video game, it's a personal preference. Referring back to the bolded portion of my post. There is a very important distinction between the two. A more direct example being "that gay character" vs "that character with the brown hair and blue eyes". One does not identify someone by being "that straight person", they are just a person. Would it not be the same for a person who is not straight? That they are not simply a person, they are a homosexual person? Do you understand my meaning? 

To conclude, my post being my opinion was implied. My intention is not to tell people what to do or what to believe, I'm only explaining how I see it, to help better understand why I said something. My wording may have been misconstrude as such a demand, but that is not the case. I hope I've better clarified myself.

Lets continue with the regularly scheduled F/F romance thread discussion, shall we?

Qyla wrote...
"Playersexual" has no sense: just because characters don't say that he/she is bisexual/homosexual/straight etc it doesn't means that he/she is player sexual

note: I'm not homophobic, I just think that a sexuality is part of a character, you can even make sexuality a trigger that drives the entire life of a chara.

Player-sexual is a video game term, not a real-life application term.

Unless otherwise stated, the characters open for romance are player-sexual, they lack a "known" sexuality. Their "known" sexuality becomes available as a player pursues the romance (or it is otherwise specified). In addition, romancing F/F or M/M does not mean a character is homosexual, just as romancing F/M does not mean that a character is heterosexual.

Also, the term "bisexual" is very often misused throughout the forums. The characters of Dragon Age 2 were not bisexual, they were player-sexual. They developed a known sexuality as the romance was pursued.

Although your character trait point has some merit, the romances within the games are entirely optional, and I see no reason to restrict a potential romance option simply because you play as one gender over the other.

In addition, sexualities that differ from heterosexual are rarely portrayed as a normalcy, even unintentionally. The distinction between a homosexual character and a character who happens to be homosexual is immense, and has shown to be difficult to differentiate between the two. Sexuality should not be used as an identifying trait. A character, or group of characters, as it may be, being player-sexual, alleviates the controversy.

If they can properly make the distinction between the bolded in Inquisition, power to them with set sexualities, but if not, player-sexual, I think, is the better route.

I'll be satisfied if I can romance Cassandra as a female Inquisitor.

XM-417 wrote...
I thought Cassandra's remarks about FemHawke effectively teased the possibility of her being a F/F romance option.As Cassandra does seem to have a crush on her.  So i'll be surprised if thats not the case when the developers finally announce it.

Yeah, that's how I saw it. It made me really hopeful, prior to, and after the announcement of her as a party member.

I've already got my Inquisitor all planned out and I'd be really sad if Cassandra isn't available for F/F romance. She's the next Bioware Woman, in my opinion. She appeared to show interest in FemHawke over M!Hawke in DA2, when she said "romantic" instead of "heroic" during the interrogation with Varric (I don't know, maybe I'm interpreting it wrong... eh.), and... and, yeah, Cassandra F/F romance.

That, or player-sexual is the way to go. DA2 did it well.

Yay. Definitely yay.

erezike wrote...
i find it funny that the lack of proper male options made femsheps turn lesbian.

You can't "turn" lesbian. You are, or you're not. Romancing females because there isn't any males you like means you're are bisexual, not lesbian. I'd play FemShep as a lesbian regardless of how good the male options are.

Nevos with Miranda. Cheesy romantic getaway.

Well, since I usually only play as Sheploo, and my FemShep is a lesbian, the only correct way to answer this question is...

Blarg.

The top screenshot looks great, I hope that's their updated version of her and not pre-trailer....

Cutlass Jack wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Indeed but it's not in-game footage. 

'Actual Game Footage.'