Doesn't she kiss Fem!Hawke if you sabotage her attempts to court what's-his-face and try to romance her? I seem to recall a heart emblem. 

EDIT: Actually, I think she only does so when you don't flirt with her.

1. You are not the main character. The main character is character you play as, not you.

2.  You hardly pay enough money to be entitled to anything, least of all telling someone else how to make their product. 

 

God forbid someone makes a story that they want to tell. It's all about the romance options in the end. Specifically, what I think these romance options should look, think, and act like, because this is BioWare's story for me. I'm entitled to make the characters I want.

1. That kind of clean seperation rarely works.

2. I pay enough money to be entitled to my opinions. More than that, I am entitled to stating that opinion. When I think that something is crap, then I will say that it is crap. (And no, I am not saying that.) I am also entitled to decide not to give away my money for something I'm not having fun with. Simple as that.

I just think that every consumer who pays money for a product has the right to expect that product to suit their tastes. If that does not happen, it is within the consumer's right to be disappointed.

And please refrain from putting words in my mouth.

I'm a big fan of romance content, but I do draw the line here.

 

"We want equal options" is an understandable argument, but when it becomes "Every LI must be available to me!" It crosses the line into self-entitled whinging. 

It's a game. A game in which I am the main character. A game for which I pay a lot of money. Obviously I want to actually have fun playing it. And if that's what it takes, then so be it.
I believe consumers have every right to be self-entitled.

I think the general implication is that because they don't have to record two sets of dialogue to cover all the he's and she's, or customize a romance scene to account for the different body types between genders as well as races(not that they have a history of doing that in the first place) that they'll have more time and resources to make the romances more indepth over all.

 

Though I can't imagine there's that much dialogue that would need reworking.

Not to mention that those extra resources would probably go into adding two additional romances, which wouldn't have been needed for 4 bisexual romances.

Well they did talk about romances (or the characters) being more fleshed out because of this. I guess all we can do is wait and see if the tradeoff was worth it.

I seriously doubt it, considering there is not a single reason to think that strictly straight or strictly gay characters are any more in-depth than bisexual characters.

LOL I feel your pain. Mine have oddly just rolled over. It's 9PM where I am... It doesn't make any sense, but at least I'm rich again!

I didn't even know we had a limited number of likes to give.

This forum can collectively be quite obtuse.

A new trailer comes out along with gobs of information in associated interviews and THIS is the topic du jour?

I just don't get the sexual hangups around here.

Then count yourself lucky that it isn't something that bothers you.

I never doubted that we'd get 2/2/2. I thought that was pretty locked down.

I know that this would be a wrench in the cogs of the hype engine, Allan, but is there any chance you could coax the other devs/writers into revealing who the LIs will be, and for whom they will be available, assuming this has been ironed out?  I mean in the near future, considering few of the characters have been actually revealed yet.  Or, at the very least, some idea of how NPCs and companions will be distributed across sexualities, although that seems to be a rather cold, mechanical way to go about things.

 

Yes, people like to speculate, but with this new information from Cameron Lee, you see what's happening--people, including me--are getting caught up in this negativity cycle, etc.  I'm afraid if it goes up to release day when we find out, we are going to end up with people super-angry and exploding all over the forums, worse than they are now, out of disappointment.  Better to let the cat out of the bag now, than to wait until later and have a firestorm.  Besides, knowing would certainly help hype those characters.

 

I'm not trying to be crafty or anything.  I just think maybe those who are going to be disappointed would be better off knowing sooner than later.  Knowing that our faves might not even be an option for romance is kind of a buzzkill despite the wonderful trailer, new screens, updated site, etc.

I agree. I'm already not happy with the way things are, but at least I'd have the opportunity to suffer through the worst of it BEFORE DA:I is anywhere clsoe to releasing. Otherwise this anxiety is just gonna build up until it explodes.
Although I doubt Allan can sway them to do anything.

Why is that?

Because I firmly believe that the NPC romances will be the bisexual ones. This leaves 2 straight and 2 gay LIs in the party. Cassandra has previously shown interest (slight as it was) in men, therefore she won't be the gay LI.

Plus, I feel like Bioware will try to defy expectations my making the most butch-looking woman in the party completely and utterly straight.

Apart from that, every previous game (other than DA2) has turned out the same way. The one LI I wanted wasn't available to me. Previous experiences, coupled with available information and a horrible gut feeling leaves no doubt in my mind.
(I will also admit that I am a naturally negative person, though. I have been right with every one of my romance predictions as of yet, however.)

I am now 99 % sure that Cass wil be a male-only option. Oh happy day.

People stop discussing and started crying after page 3.

It happens. We gotta get rid of the disappointment somehow. Talking about it tends to help.

Oh golly. Look at my face. See how happy I am with these news? (Never before has my icon been this accurate.)

Yeah, I'm not happy with this. At all. The whole concept of 'realism' being more important than enjoyment, not to mention that apparently a character of an undefined sexuality is less 'fleshed out' than a character that is definitely one or the other is...disconcerting.
Maybe because I know so many people that refuse to define themselves as anything and they'd probably be quite offended at the assumption.

*sigh*

In any case, I am disappointed. Previous experiences with that kind of system have taught me that the one LI I am interested in will not be available to my gender. That does put a damper on my enthusiasm.

I'm sure there were; she's pretty and likeable and there were probably more than a few guys who wanted their male Sheps to romance her. But overall everyone was satisfied with her being a lesbian NPC romance.

 

Diana, on the other hand...

I've seen some complaints about it back when ME3 got released.

To be fair, it isn't hard to accept one female not being open to you when absolutely every other woman in the game is. It's not like straight male players (as in, those who play a straight male Shepard) had a shortage of love interests.

Since they already released images of all the companions, I think we'll probably know the LIs before release, too, honestly. I never thought we'd see all the companions so soon. 

Maybe they decided to show the companions, but keep their LI status under wraps? I definitely think they won't wait until release to at least tell us how the romance system is gonna work. They know that a lot of people are sitting on burning coals concerning that.

I also play on console. I have solved the problem of dissappointment and my resolution is that I check which companions are LIs and then decide which one of them I will romance in the game.

It would help if Bioware would just announce that already...>.>

(Don't hurt me devs, I know you're gonna do that on your own time.)

 

Just wanted to comment that I never noticed your sig before.  It's a huge pet peeve of mine that people conflate bisexuality with playersexuality.  Glad to see that I'm not the only one making the distinction!

Yeah, same here. I just hated having to always explain what the terms meant to me before getting to the actual argument and I figured this would make it easier for everyone involved.

 

Well, I'm a console player, so I've always been stuck with whoever they give me, so I guess that's why I'm not as worked up about it.  I'm used to being disappointed.  Although, to be honest, I'm not really sure how they could disappoint me with this lineup.

Always played on console as well. Difference is that I'm really tired of always ending up disappointed. After the fiasco that was all of Mass Effect (at least as far as satisfying romances for me go) and DA:O (oh hey Morrigan), I am so very tired of always feeling like I have to decide between being happy with my main character or being happy with the character I can romance. I can never seem to have both. (Except in DA2, bless the poor underappreciated thing )

Excuse me but who is DHMG? 

Dramatic Hands Moustache Guy a.k.a. Dorian

You do  Realize Dragon age is a Power fantasy  all the females have large boobs and tiny  Barbie Doll Waist lines right?

Not if it's also supposed to be a power fantasy for female players.

There are alot of assumptions being made here:

 

1.)  We don't know how many LI's there are going to be.  People are predicting 4 or 6, but we don't know for sure anything.

2.)  We don't know if there will be more than one NPC romance.  It might just be Cullen due to his popularity.

3.)  If there are more than one NPC LI, we don't know if they will be the same sexuality.

4.)  We don't know if they will all be bisexual or if there will be a variety of sexualities.

 

Let's just remember that it's all speculation, this way, people won't get disappointed if their favorite LI isn't available for them (or isn't even an LI to begin with.....)

True, but it isn't like we're just guessing outta the blue. I like to call it making an informed prediction.
And if it was that easy to avoid disappointment, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have so many topics on LI speculation.

It's also possible that they'll make the NPCs the straight ones. So Cullen and Scribbles (assuming she's a romance, and assuming they're even doing 2/2/2) would be straight and Cass and ... whoever ... would be gay.

 

There's no evidence for this other than Cullen not blushing and stammering at the male mage Wardens, but there's not that much evidence for anything at this point.

That's what all my hopes and dreams are hinging on at the moment, tbh. It is of course also possible that the NPCs don't have the same sexuality.

 

Stop stop stop stop lalallalala aaaaaaahhhh dskdfjgk, don't keep saying that.

I SO wish I could. I just have this inner compulsion to keep saying it in the hopes of my heart getting the hint. It has not yet happened. Come release day, everyone else will be happily playing and I'll roll behind a closet or something. WildOrchid....hug me.

I don't think it automatically means they'll do 2/2/2 with 6 LIs. It's possible they wouldn't do it with NPC romances.

 

I think Dorian will be gay instead of Solas, if they do 2/2/2, because his name references Dorian Gray and he has a lot of Oscar Wilde/Dandy hints about him. But also I just really, really want him to be, so I'm going to believe it until there's better evidence not to. lol

It's possible, yes, but the chances of that are pretty slim, I think.

I am also inclined to believe that DHMG might be the gay option, if only because they might want to break the mold of gay elves. And let's face it, another small, slim gay/bisexual guy would just be very stereotypical.

Okay, so Cole is in. So is DHMG.

And all that trailer does is make me want Cassandra so much more for my FemInquisitor and so much less for a male Inquisitor. I should probably just stop stalking for news. I am setting myself up for heartbreak.

Going by the trailer, this setup seems likely:

COMPANIONS:

Cassandra (warrior); Iron Bull (warrior); Grey Warden (warrior); Varric (rogue); Sera (rogue; now with new hair); Cole (rogue); Vivienne (mage); Solas (mage); DHMG (mage)

NPCs:

Cullen, Scribe Girl, Leliana

I think it's very obvious that these three will not be companions. They are the ONLY ones shown without weapons, as far as I can see.

Since we can now be reasonably sure about that, we can also assume that 2/2/2 split is def. gonna happen. I trust Bioware to want to keep it fair, so the NPC romances will be bisexual (Cullen and Scribe Girl). That leaves two straight and two gay companions for romance. (Prediction: Cass and DHMG will be straight; Sera and Solas will be gay; it is also possible that DHMG will be the gay LI, with Solas being straight)

In other words, my worst nightmares are coming true. *whips back and forth* Someone sedate me before I hurt myself.

PS: I am also a tad diappointed that they used the default male Inquisitor for the trailer. Where's the female version?

The thing is, we don't know what our qunari inquisitors used to do before becoming important. Were they warriors, craftsmen or maybe peasants?
One of the reasons why qunari men are so bulky is because they were literally bred to be this way. To be nothing but a perfect canon fodder. It is literally in their blood, in addition to being naturally hulky.
Sure, qunari women are bulkier than women of other species. But they still are not as bulky as they would be if they had been bred in the same way

Selective breeding is all good and well, but would that not extend to the females of the species as well? I mean, I can't imagine it's possible to only breed the males of the species to have bulk and muscle while keeping the females lithe. It's not like males and females are that genetically different, apart from the whole x/x and x/y thing. It's been some time since I had biology in school, however.

(And the only thing I remember is that roosters choose their sex partners after the image of their mother. So if a rooster happens to imprint on something other than a hen and, for example, views a dog as its mother, he's gonna try to breed with that species later, since he believes himself to be the same. Well, that and a few things about recessive genes and splicing. And you may thank me for that unnecessary information later, when you're on a date and awkward silence ensues and all you can think of is 'Hey, did you know that roosters sometimes fall in love with dogs?'.)

I just want the female Qunari to be buff and muscular. Both because I find it visually appealing and because I'd feel cheated if only male Qunari get muscles. I want abs, Bioware. ABS.
They don't have to be insanely bulky or anything, I just want some proper definiton.

Like this, at the very least (preferably with more definition around the stomach area):
 

Hell, if it was up to me, I'd like something like this even more:

Or this:

BUT I am very aware that Bioware won't dare to venture too far from what constitutes as the traditional female beauty standard. I can already hear the b*tching and whining if something like this were to happen.