Well, at least you acknowledge most sex scenes in TW2 were terrible. 
 

Mass Effect 3 is rated for Partial Nudity, not Nudity. We get Partial Nudity with Liara. 
 

Again, never said Bioware did better. Still confused for you bringing up E for Everyone considering DAO and DA2 are M, not E and considering my post was entirely about TW2 not being the best inspiration, something even the person I was replying to agrees with.

Just proving a point. And I compared to witcher sex scenes are better than Dragon Age and ME altogether and they're not afraid of showing it and BW is treating sexual relationships as E and T rating. CDPR are the true masters of mature content when it comes to sexuallity.

It's funny to me. ESRB says nudity and sexual content. We really don't get that to be honest. What do we get? Underwear bull****. Might as well make the game T for teens.

Exactly.

And that has to do with my post...how?

Witcher 2 sex scenes are way better than Origins and DA2 altogether because they actually show sex scenes without genitalia. It was BioWare who made sex scenes laughably bad and CDPR are masters of sexuality.

Witcher 2's sex scenes were laughably bad.

This is not E for everyone you know.

The fact that the Dalish needed to blame another people for their own misfortune and adopt a xenophobic lifestyle is very significant. They weren't sure of the reason why Arlathan disappeared, but were quick to blame another race all the same. They made up the excuses they needed to justify their hatred of humans when in fact, humans never had anything to do with the downfall of their civilization.

The Dalish can't even conceive their forefathers were slavers or enslaved by their own kind.

This is why I don't like elves in DA. One disaster happens and it's all another race's fault? "Let's hate someone else instead of trying to figure out what was OUR responsibilty in our own misery"? It's more convenient to blame whoever is doing fine today than examine the true reasons as to why we're in this sh**hole? What kind of logic is this?

And where's all that hatred coming from? The Dalish live in the middle of NOWHERE, in deep forests and other places humans are rarely seen. Why such intolerance toward other races? Whatever did anyone do to generate such a negative response? And what about Solas arrogantly belittling Varric by calling him Child of the Stone all the time? If you call someone a child, you don't respect them, because you consider them to be less than an adult in your eyes.

Is Solas a model of how elves from Arlathan used to think and behave? That they believed they alone were better than every other race in Thedas and felt entitled to humiliate them and act superior? Then the elves are a racist, xenophobic race, with nothing that marks them as better or superior. There's no enlightened philosophy, no rich past to recover. Just a racist people who ultimately destroyed themselves and whose survivors carried on the same unfortunate genetic legacy of megalomania and unjustified hatred toward other peoples.

Just remember how the Dalish refused to help Orlais stop the second Blight, even after the empire had generously granted them the right to live in their lands...it was the elves who chose to turn their back as the darkspawn ravaged the human villages. Now they weep and complain humans hate them. From where I'm standing, humans aren't the pollution. It's the elven people, with their passive-aggressive speech hellbent on subverting the truth, their constant victimisation and their blatant racism.

But look @ the Dalish elves perspective they have the trauma and painful experience based in hundreds of years of slavery under the Imperium by humans so it causes animosity towards them to refuse to coexist with humans because the evils the Imperium have done to the elves ever since the fall of Arlathan, and I understand why the elves were angry and resenting against humans because they commited brutal genocide upon them. Yes the Ancient Elves brought upon the downfall because the Evanuris obsessed with power, and Solas meant well by sealing them into the Fade by creating a Veil to save his people. But it backfired and that's when the Imperium conquered the elves and forced them into the horrors of slavery and blood sacrifices what they have suffered greatly, so it was the fault of humans who made the elves have animosity and hatred against them because of it. And it was the humans fault who created the darkspawn because of their malevolence and power, and the elves were saying to themselves "Why should we help humans and they have done horrible things to our people and why should we trust them?" Think about it.

I don't mind but no porno. If anything, borderline game of thrones but no P or V. Anything else is fine. I'm sure there are plenty of women who'll like to see Ryder or a male squadmate with his shirt off.

Of course not it would be rated AO if it is pornographic.

Krogan, Asari, and Turian.

People are stupid and that's sad.

It does, but your plan went beyond simple self defense against humans.
In your plan, an elf having loving relations with a human would have to exiled to "keep the peace". Basically making intimate relations with a human illegal within the elven territory.
And the Chantry would all but be forbidden from entering the land seeing as how you will not allow even missionaries to enter. By and large because you identify the Chantry being innately pro human supremacy. Ignoring that a great majority of city elves are andrastian.
And you forbid religions that you identify as "human".
A great deal of your plan is religious censure and race based laws that encourage treating humans as something not-for-elves.

The Chantry did not do a damn thing to make amends for the misery of elves had to suffer under human rule, they keep the elves that way because they use history to justify to hate elves and treating them like dogs. But you call it racism because the elves want to have a place if their own without human influence, but its OK for humans to treat elves like crap and expect elves to coexist with them as a way of "get over it" right? And the Chantry is not their religion anyways, they should have their own religion.

Unfortunately, racism is a bit more than oppression. It's a way of thinking as much as it can become a form of expression. But many agree that thinking one race is superior or lesser than another, is the main characteristic of racism.
So while at first glance your idea does not seem to support it, in practice that 'humans who enter here shall face force' policy will likely fuel anti-human mentalities. That it is less for "allowing elves to heal" and more because "humans are bad". Not allowing the elves to contact humans (save for trade), and thus never get to know them, will only encourage this thinking.
Similarly, the humans will be left to thier own devices on how to view the elves. Humans not allowed? Diplomatic envoys faced with forced expulsion? Cross-racial unions not only frowned upon, but illegal?
It will only be too easy to paint the new nation as little more than an anti-human collection of savages. And why wouldn't they? They never allowed any other Country to know them, and visitors are all but forbidden under threat of forceful expulsion or violence.
It basically sounds nice in theory, but in practice it will fold out nothing like you envision.
In building walls of policy to keep humans out, you also imprison elves into ways of thinking that put the elven of the dales over everyone else. Even other elves.

I'm not saying humans should be discriminated or killed on sight I'm saying that if humans came to the elves to start mess, then the elves have the right to kick them out. If a human attempted to rape and murder elves, they have the right to prosecute them and to decide their fate. They can visit only for trade, diplomatic relations between two peoples, and Grey Wardens come to ask their help to fight the darkspawn. But they cannot buy and own property or convert the elves to the Chantry.

Uh......how about no?
You are essentially making problems worse. It was racism, my-race-is-better-than-yours thinking and unwillingness to accept other relations of the various races that lead to elves being oppressed in the first place.
Now you want the elves to repeat the same mistakes, only with elves as the oppressors? It wouldn't even be limited to humans who enter thier lands, but to other elves that want little than to believe a different religion or converse with humans.

And this is not taking into account how other countries will seek to crush them because of thier isolationist/Chantry-related censure ways. Did you learn nothing from the fall of the Dales? Except your plan will add blatant human based antagonism into the mix.

*deep sigh* OK racism would be if elves enslaved humans and dehumanize them, treating them like 2nd class citizens, and put them in ghettos and humans to worship the elven gods and terrorizing defenseless humans by raping human women, killing them for sport, and purging human alienages. That's racism. But what I put is not racism it's a solution for elves who want to have a place e of their own, and free from the racial strife from humans, and all they have to do is to leave the elves alone so they can recover and heal themselves. What I offer is a win-win situation that elves don't have to be with human cities as 3rd class citizens and slaves, and all they have to do is to leave each other alone until they learn how to get along if humans decide to change their ways of how they view elves. And the Chantry is nothing but a human supremacist religious system of mind control by worshipping an imaginary figure of a made up god anyways.(http://www.alternet....white-supremacy)

How could I stand your intellect? It's tiny. Does it stack on something, or does it just kind of wallow there?

As for having your own mind, most of the time you just repeat the arguments of not very respected old white guys. When you can't be bothered to do that, you just retreat to the realm of 'it's, like, my opinion maaaan,' and don't even do that much. The bastion of intellectual independence you are not.

Though I do applaud you for adding 'intellect' to your repertoire of stock words. That's new, if inauthentic- people confident in their own intellect don't need to go around stating their own intellect. It's the argument equivalent of 'I do too have friends- you just never see them!'


Which part- South Africa, circa some unreformed Anglo-Dutch settlers? Because you sure act like a stereotypical white bigot, and most people of African descent don't. Especially those in the American political context, where rigid segregation, racial exclusion, and 'not one drop' racial classification systems are considered bad things, not desirable end-states for a state.

Now, mind you, that doesn't mean you can't be what you'd like us to think you are- it'd be racist to discount the possibility just because you'd be a deviant from the norm- but I'm not seeing much to support it either. It's easy to claim just about anything as part of an internet persona.

Internet being what it is, I guess you're just not credible enough to warrant a racial classification. Bar something really convincing, you'll just be another poster, an anonymous grey like everyone else.

What I am striving for is recovery and stability for the people who have been oppressed by the oppressor and living with the oppressor as a way of this so called "unity" never works, so separation is the best solution to have peace and leaving each other alone is the best way. How is that bigotry for leaving people alone who are known for commiting evil upon different races? How is it bigotry of people who want to gave a place of their own without having to go through the racial violence under their influence? You just want to make fun of me because you can't form a productive debate, and not even try to prove me wrong. You can ridicule me and call me names all you want but I still believe what I believe and I will not back down for what I believe in.

No, I don't believe it is justified; I was playing Devil's advocate.    I'm just saying how it might have appeared to the Roman authorities based on reports they were receiving.   I recall that one of the early saints actually had to insist that his flock didn't deliberately try and make themselves martyrs by antagonising the authorities.  Even St Paul himself wrote that they should submit to Roman rule provided they weren't asked to do anything that contradicted their beliefs.   He didn't intentionally provoke the riots, they just happened as a consequence of what he was preaching.    In fact it backfired against the oppressors eventually because they used the punishment of Christians as public entertainment.  When people saw the courage of ordinary men and women in the face of barbaric death, which they attributed to their faith in their god, people started wondering if there might not be something in it.   Then a faith that was originally seen to be one of slaves and women started to appeal to the male upper classes.   Once that happened it was only a matter of time before it became acceptable and then official.    Still I also recall that after it became the state religion there were those of the old guard who suggested that the decline of the Empire was due to the abandonment/offending of their traditional deities.   (A lot of this seems to have been incorporated into the history of religion in the Tevinter  Imperium)

Richard:
"And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."

King Richard III (I, iii, 336-338)

You should. You talk and act a lot like a white guy.
 
Mind you, they're the kind who wear hoods and worry about miscegenation, but the logic patterns are there.

You expecting me to speak Ebonics or you can't stand my intellect and having my own mind that offends you because I'm a person of African descent?

Freaky are we??

Coming from you, that's almost an insult.
 
In my ambivalent defense, I did warn the public I wouldn't be passing on the sheep puns if you kept your new title. It's more the image, really- you lack the self-awareness to pull it off convincingly, so I'm just giving the various bigoted ideas posted by it the respect they deserve.
 
But seriously- it doesn't fit you. This may be how you think you look when you post like that...
 

 
 
But this is how you actually come across.
 
 

 
(If you can't tell, you're the white one.)

I'll take that as a complement.

They have turned the race of hot women into androgynous futanari!

If only Morinth was one and all Ardat-Yakshi have these gifts, it would make sense if they're sexually active by copulating women all over the galaxy.

I'd feel pretty sheepish too if my bleatings turned out to be an incredibly bigoted racial purity state, but ewe want what ewe want, even if you want to enshrine racism.
 
Sail on, you sheep of fools- I'm sure you'll ram you way through to the infinitely better elven influence and oppression. Definitely worked for the last ewe eleven states. I'm sure it's be mutton like all the other bigoted sheepwreck out there.

Wow.......you're special. I mean really special.

Ok, I've had enough. I'm logging out for a few hours.
 
But one more rant.
 
The fact that "casual sexual encounters" threads show up every week allows me to see how many (new) people on this website are addicted to porn and need it in every single entertainment value in their lives. Blech. 9 times out of ten it's started by a noob.

Everybody has needs and desires. If people love pornography and sex all the time who are we to judge them?

Racial cleansing, guilt by blood, conviction of the innocent, religious persecution, eugenics, mythical collectivization of government action, and a repeat of a disastrous foreign policy the last elven hermit kingdom wouldn't even abide to last time.

I dunno. Aside from the 'ewe' factor of a xenophobic racial purity state, that sounds like a baaaaahd decision, blacksheep. Sounds like it'd herd the elves more than it'd help. You sure someone didn't pull the wool over your eyes when it came to history 101?

It's obviously you don't have the capacity to understand of what the word independence means. Should I spell it out for you with crayons?

But you can just watch porn.  Actual porn with actual people.  Why the hell do you want to see awkward pixelated butts bumping into each other at odd angles whilst characters rub their faces together and pretend it's a kiss?
 
Just watch the bloody porn and leave games with a fade to black. 
 
One of the best scenes for me, that stays in my mind above all others, is Garrus and femShep in ME2 (haven't done ME3 with a Garrus romance yet).  They just put their heads together and omg it's so sweet.    
Perfectly done, great writing, and everything you need for a romance.  They conveyed more feelings with that moment than any awkward sex scene could (like Tali jumping on Shep like a hungry black widow spider and devouring him  ).
 
Yeah just wanted to say that. 

Hey the NSFW versions of ME and DA are a work of art!!! And very arousing especially with tumblr and Rikolo's work on Miranda and Isabella.......

I have a solution for elves to have stability and independence from human influence by setting up a treaty.

- Give the elves the Emerald Graves and The Arbor Wilds and have all human settlers evicted, and all elves evicted from human cities all over Thedas to live in the lands with the elven community.

-The Imperium and all human nations will compensate the elves for their disparites and slavery as reparations.

-The Chantry and human settlers are not allowed to settle in elven territory nor the Chantry will have missionaries.

-They will only ally with Grey Wardens and human nations to fight the darkspawn and to trade.
-No human religion teachings
-If an elf is having relationship with a human he/she is automatically exiled to keep the peace.
-If a human entered their territory to harass, attempt to start a war, disturbing the peace, or any kind of crime against the elves will be dealt with in the elves discretion.

Same ol human-centric saving the day game. This will all end in tears I just know it.

*deep sigh* I knew they're going to screw this up for making another version of Shepard and saving the day bs. BioWare are an inflexible bunch unfortunately.......

Well there was a thread on this awhile back probably connected to romance scenes but what do you guys think in the context of MEA? I'd enable a poll but as I see the options tend to be
 
A) Never no skin showing even in shower etc
B )Maybe skin but camera pans out from genitalia etc or
C) (Not really present in many games, if any, all skin showing, plus genitalia, etc)
 
I'm just going to go ahead and state I don't really have a problem with C except I only think it's the best and most appealing option for when it's more in "erotic art" category at the appropriate moments sort of thing, although my sense it would probably come off more in the "Pornographic category" than "Erotic art" but hey you never know maybe they can pull it off... ok probably not anyway this is my topic thread.
 
In fact, I think I've seen "erotic art" imagery with the naked body that doesn't feel 100% quite honest either, but I guess that's just me... but yeah the point is the vast majority of the time it's more pornographic.
 
But yes, in general the human body and form is heavily stigmatized, particularly unclothed ones, it would be good to reduce terror and fear of the penis or the breast, both of which have been accused of chaotically rip apart families and debasing the morality.