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Seagloom wrote...

Ah. I thought it was more of a hog than that. My mistake then. That uses waaaay less than I thought, really. Kinda makes my PC's 8GB RAM overkill. :P

That's because it is overkill :P
Least you won't have to buy more for quite some time.

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Win 7 it. Good things await you.

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I've never actually used Windows Seven, but I've heard good things about it.



For now though, XP suffices for me.

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Run 7, VM XP if needed. Simples.

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My 2 coppers.
I have several machines at home. Ran both 64bit and 32bit Win7. Had 16gigs on the 64bit system (my gaming rig) till after much monitoring and such, found that unless I am running multiple programs at once, I rarely use more then 4gigs of ram. Dragon Age for example only addresses up to 2 gigs at most.

There are also other issues when running 64bit. Some older legacy stuff (read work related) sometimes won't run well within the 64bit environment. I switched back to 4 gigs and re-installed all the systems with the 32 bit version. Since Win7 comes with both 64 and 32 bit versions if you buy "retail upgrade, this version makes the best sense. The OEM version however, if I am not wrong, only comes in 1 flavor. Not sure, never bothered with it.

So far, haven't regretted switching over to Win7.

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What is wrong with Vista?

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Eurypterid wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...
It's good they extended your support, but it was supposed to be ended months ago.


There are 2 types of support from Microsoft: Maintstream and Extended.

Mainstream support ended last year. Extended support continues until April 2014.

Extended support gives you security updates to all users, but non-security hot fixes are only provided to companies that have signed support contracts with MS.

Basically this means it's sitll supported for the average user until 2014.

That being said, I've installed Win 7 64 bit on my new rig. Haven't had much of a chance to use it though, due to various factors, but in the very near future (likely next week), it will become my default gaming rig.


Exactly! They haven't extended the specific poster's support - the extended support is for everybody and provides all the security updates. The support will indeed be there until April 2014, so I don't know where the myth that support ends in 2011 came from - the mainstream support ended a year ago and the extended support will run until April 2014. Here it is right from Microsoft: http://support.micro...N=en-gb&C2=1173 

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Personally, I don't intend on switching away from XP anytime soon. Vista doesn't appeal to me at all and although Windows 7 may well be better than Vista, I simply see no compelling reason to switch. XP takes less than 300MB of RAM and works pretty well for everything I need or want to do with my computer. The only thing that I am aware of that Windows 7 offers that XP doesn't (well 64-bit XP version offers even that, but I run the 32-bit version) is support for more RAM, but my computer has only 4GB of RAM, so nearly all of it is supported (and there are supposed to be tricks for 32-bit systems to get around the RAM limit if one really wants to, but I haven't tried them - no need). Essentially, it comes down to why I should switch operating system if the existing system I am used to works very well and there appears to be no other compelling reason to make the change.

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This is great. :) Here I thought the proverbial Sword of Damocles was hanging over my throat. No rush to get Windows 7, then. Well, unless I want to use DX10. Still, it's nice not feeling like time's running out.

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MrHimuraChan wrote...

People, i'm not thaaat much savyy on PCs, so i'd like to ask for some counseling on a matter, here goes:


I'm thinking on swapping from Win XP SP3 to Win7. I don't intend to modify my PC in any other manner (maybe install another 2GBs of ram, and a better video card, but not now) .

So i ask to our friends here: Are you happy with Win7? :blush:


I think I read somewhere that Win7 isn't supported for this game...(DA:O)  so..if I have to change OS, it will have to be because I have been dragged kicking and screaming to the retail store.  lol

I never went near Vista, in any of its versions,  and I hear that Win 7 is just Vista..revised. 

I guess eventually I'll have to bite the bullet, but for now its WinXP and it will stay that way til  the last minute. :D

Modifié par Feraele, 27 mars 2010 - 12:20 .


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Maviarab wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

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Depends what rig you have now.


Oh yes, this reminds me. Don't ugprade at all if you won't have at least 4GB RAM in that PC or it's going to get ugly at times. Win7 is needier than XP.



Sorry gloom but have to seriously disagree there. 7  only uses approx 700mb of resources (ram) to run compared to xp's 550 (on average), also cpmpared to Vistas up to 1gb....

7 will run fine on 2gb ram....of course, depending on the game resukts will differ, but if the pc itself is not changing, then xp > 7 will not really impact on system performance Posted Image


How much ram does Win 7 recognize?   I have 3 gbs of ram (don't ask..my hubby insisted...was playing Mr Big Spender at the time)   And WinXp only recognizes 2048 of that.

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That's why I use XP64. It recognizes the full 8GB RAM in my PC. Win7 recognizes higher numbers since it comes in both 32 and 64bit versions.

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A lot of games are not 'supported' in 7 fera, like the Witcher, doesnt mean they do not work perfectly :)



The witcher had issues (I willa dmit), but it was nothiong to do with the game OR windows 7, its was an old driver issued with the game (for the installer) that was outdated. Once I went to the companies website and got the new one (took me all of 2 minutes) it started and ran fine in every way :)



Don't be put off by the odd game might not be supported, thats pc gaming, I can no longer play the original Total War game (Shogun)...and it ran like crap in Xp too....thats why I still have drive with Win 2000 pro on it lol :)

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All 64bit will recognise more than 3.2gb of ram gloom, even XP :)

7 only 'recognises' more, due to it utilising the modern technology of the newer motherboards and bios, XP simply refuses to install correctly on a lot of new boards :)

Modifié par Maviarab, 27 mars 2010 - 12:32 .


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If your only recognising 2gb fera under 32bit xp....your motherboard is not recognising it all or you have a bad stick somewhere, 32bit wil recognise upto 3.2gb (regasrdless if you have 16gb installed....it will only see and use 3.2)

What I mean to say there is this. If you check your system properties, windows will tell you you have 'X' amount of ram installed, but 32bit system will only use approx 3.2gb of it.

Modifié par Maviarab, 27 mars 2010 - 12:35 .


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Maviarab wrote...

All 64bit will recognise more than 3.2gb of ram gloom, even XP :)


Ah thats my problem then..I run WinXp Home ...

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Maviarab wrote...

All 64bit will recognise more than 3.2gb of ram gloom, even XP :)


That was my point. It's why I use XP64. I should've made that clear but uh yeah... reading my post again I didn't mention that tidbit.

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My rig's an Intel I7 920 CPU with 3Gbs Corsair Ram, with a Geforce GTX275....running like a banshee on Windows XP Pro. XP(32bit) doesn't recognise ram > 3gb's so don't bother installing more.
If you're a gamer don't go near Vista. If you're shopping for an OS today, get Windows7. Microsoft have had enough of my money, and they can bloody well wait until I upgrade to 7, and that will only be when I HAVE to :bandit:

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katana2009 wrote...

My rig's an Intel I7 920 CPU with 3Gbs Corsair Ram, with a Geforce GTX275....running like a banshee on Windows XP. XP(32bit) doesn't recognise ram > 3gb's so don't bother installing more.
If you're a gamer don't go near Vista. If you're shopping for an OS today, get Windows7. Microsoft have had enough of my money, and they can bloody well wait until I upgrade to 7, and that will only be when I HAVE to.


Yup heard too many complaints about Vista from gaming friends..to ever want that on my machine.   So if I need a new OS will skip it entirely..and go to Win 7...keeping my fingers crossed that I am not jumping into something I am going to hate for the long term.  lol

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katana..

will argue that point slightly, Vista is brilliant for games, IF you know how to disable the majority of Vista's 'security' features and make it more optimal and streamlined. I used Vista for gaming for 2 years, never a ctd, never a slow down, never an issue :)



Its the old saying, that in fact the majority of PC issues are actually user generated to a large degree lol, and I have also made my fare share of screw ups in the past lol.



Vista was only bad for gaming due to it being a resource hog. I was seeing 'gaming pc's being sold on the net and in shops that came with 2gb or fam lmao...I eman in all seriousness, Vista itself uses almost a gig just sitting idle.

Get around the 'issues' like that, it was perfectly fine for gaming (other than the perenial issue of older games not being supported)

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I definitely like Win 7. Definitely go for RAM upgrade and make sure you install the 64bit version of the OS. You may have to do some workrounds, depending on your games, but I reckon that comes as part of the parcel of PC gaming.

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Maviarab wrote...

katana..
will argue that point slightly, Vista is brilliant for games, IF you know how to disable the majority of Vista's 'security' features and make it more optimal and streamlined. I used Vista for gaming for 2 years, never a ctd, never a slow down, never an issue :)

Its the old saying, that in fact the majority of PC issues are actually user generated to a large degree lol, and I have also made my fare share of screw ups in the past lol.

Vista was only bad for gaming due to it being a resource hog. I was seeing 'gaming pc's being sold on the net and in shops that came with 2gb or fam lmao...I eman in all seriousness, Vista itself uses almost a gig just sitting idle.
Get around the 'issues' like that, it was perfectly fine for gaming (other than the perenial issue of older games not being supported)


Not everyone is 100% comp savvy m8, tho I agree with your points. Some people just can't cope with the curve Win7 throws and understand how to overcome them, and I for one still like dabbling with 'oldskool' games, NWN1 for example.

HAND :kissing:

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Also ..for upgrades..I have a duo core Amd machine, was figuring ..(because I waited on getting the second vid card due to Physix) that I would upgrade to say the Ge 8800 Gt or whatever its called, and get a Physix card for the other slot?



Thats originally what I was going to do..but things kind of got put on hold. I could put my machine into a shop I guess, and have the upgraded card, physix card and one more gig of ram installed, at the same time as the new OS.



Can we still do that...its why I didn't have two cards was waiting for Physix to come out ..lol.

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Not everyone is 100% comp savvy m8, tho I agree with your points. Some people just can't cope with the curve Win7 throws and understand how to overcome them, and I for one still like dabbling with 'oldskool' games, NWN1 for example.




Very true agreed. As for the learning curve, I find this very interesting:

Most of the people who moaned about xp > Vista....did NOT moan about Vista > 7



Funny that isnt it? There is actually very little difference between the two. I feel imo, that the majority were put off by Vista because MS in their wisdom changed too many things at once, alienated a lot of people. But as 7 is more streamlined Vista, all those people who moaned, yet used vista, found the transition from vista to 7 quite easy....now I find that very interesting. So was it really vista they didnt like, or was it too many changes they didnt like?



Fera, dont bother with 2 cards (depending on age)...a newer 5700 or 5800 series AtI will blow away 2 8800gt's....

Only get 2 cards if your going a lot newer, if your going to be using old cards, spend the money on one single newer card imo :)

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...machine...into a shop:o

/facepalm

My advice is get one of the high end NVidia cards...physics..cuda etc....nicey nice:D

Modifié par katana2009, 27 mars 2010 - 12:55 .