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[Ecael]

UPDATE (6/27): Added Nakmor Ambassador and Krogan extranet addict (thanks Mesina2!)

In Mass Effect 1, we were given the impression that most krogan were violent mercenaries except for Wrex.

Most of them made you want to headbutt them (before they headbutt you).

Krogan "Stupid Machine!"
YouTube Link

Wrex is HUNGRY.
YouTube Link

Wrex Elevator Conversations
YouTube Link

In Mass Effect 2, we were introduced to Tuchanka, with many krogan that differ from the stereotype. Most of them
made you want to hug them instead. Now that krogan have become much more diversified, will we see vorcha or
batarians with different personalities in Mass Effect 3?

Wrex - Smiles and is overjoyed to see Shepard
YouTube Link

Gatatog Uvenk - Looking like a bruised puppy after getting headbutted (1 of 3 times!)
YouTube Link

Grunt - Acts like a 5 year old who is proud to have learned the alphabet
YouTube Link 1
YouTube Link 2 (his comment on holding the line)

Urdnot Darg, the krogan badass:
YouTube Link (RAAAAH!)

Charr, the krogan poet:
YouTube Link (includes Tuchanka scene)

Kargesh, as the happiest Krogan ever:
YouTube Link

Kargesh, as the saddest Krogan ever:
YouTube Link

The Patriarch, Aria's aging pet:
YouTube Link 1 (Paragon)
YouTube Link 2 (Renegade)

Mr. Thax's Bodyguard, the krogan gentleman:
YouTube Link

Tank-Grown Krogan:
YouTube Link (you are damaged?)

Urdnot Father, yearning to see his son (quite a sentimental moment):
YouTube Link - Part 1
YouTube Link - Part 2

Urdnot Fortack, after Wrex took away his toys:
YouTube Link

Urdnot Shaman, the epic stare, and the epic laugh:
YouTube Link

Urdnot Mechanic, his sunny disposition, Quarians, and Wrex:
YouTube Link 1
YouTube Link 2

Urdnot Chief Scout, unlucky at Quasar:
YouTube Link

Urdnot Extranet Addict and his irritated friend:
YouTube Link

Nakmor Ambassador, gets intimidated and starts to like Shepard:
YouTube Link

Even a Varren is made adorable:
YouTube Link

Modifié par Ecael, 27 juin 2010 - 11:44 .

[TheUnusualSuspect]

You know, I'm knee deep in an ME1 play-through, and I completely agree.

Not only were Krogan reduced from being hardened serious badasses, to adorable big boys playing with big toys, but I really noticed that Asari were seriously downgraded, and looked remarkably "simpler" and less featured.  Or maybe it's just 'cos I'm using the ultra-high res texture setting on the PC, but ME1 asari have a whole range of more subtle colorings to their skin, while also seems to glow with a pearlescent tint.  In ME2, Asari are almost monotoned in a near-matte appearance.  Asari look WAY better in ME1.

[Xaijin]

Did they go overboard? No.


As the Blood Pack and captain epic speech of ALILILILILILILILI show, there are still PLENTY of pissed Krogan to go around.

There are many Krogan, and they are unique... and that's f@cking
awesome.

Especially Epic Poetry Dude, And the Forebodingly Silver Tongued Emissary of the Thax, who literally made me stop what I was doing for 5 minutes.

More is better.

Modifié par Xaijin, 26 mars 2010 - 09:04 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Aw man, potential father krogan was one of the cutest things in the game. For being the home planet of so-called bloodthirsty psychopaths, Tuchanka sure made me :3c a lot.

Also, Charr and his "I'll love our girls no matter what color they are", ****ING D'AWWWWW

Anecdote--my friend tried lying to Kargesh just to see what the outcome was. He felt so bad he reloaded.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 26 mars 2010 - 08:57 .

[JoshieoPandar]

I kinda like the Krogan in ME2, reminds me of the Orcs from Warcraft. Wrex (if he survived) is like Thrall leading a new era for their people.

[Mondo47]

I've always thought Krogan are cute... those little squishified faces and smiley mouths. They're the snuggliest army of intergalactic louts ever. Making half the wildlife of Tuchanka equally cute is just icing on the cake; deadly as all hell, but you still want to cuddle them while they're chewing your limbs off.

That's why it's all so dangerous there - you're too busy awwwww-ing to draw your weapons!

[Mister Mida]

I don't have any problem with the krogan in Mass Effect 2. I actually found some of the krogan's dialogue on Tuchanka hilarious

[ObserverStatus]

I liked the one who wanted to eat the fish, he was awesome.

[Nightwriter]

I liked it.

I still thought the krogan held up to their theme of being hardasses. Klingons on steroids.

I just felt like I got to meet a few new krogans, is all.

[Ecael]

Mondo47 wrote...

I've always thought Krogan are cute... those little squishified faces and smiley mouths. They're the snuggliest army of intergalactic louts ever. Making half the wildlife of Tuchanka equally cute is just icing on the cake; deadly as all hell, but you still want to cuddle them while they're chewing your limbs off.
That's why it's all so dangerous there - you're too busy awwwww-ing to draw your weapons!

Talking Krogan plush toys for everyone!

[binaryemperor]

I like the new Krogan a lot more. It makes them more believable to have a personality more than KILL-DEATH-RAGE. It also makes sense for the Krogan to be multifaceted on their homeworld. Most of the ones delt with in ME1 were mercs, criminals, and thugs.

There ARE Krogan citizens. To think that members of a race are all identical in temperment is somewhat unrealistic.

I think Bioware wanted the Krogan to be a "bad guy" race, but with Wrex as a squad member and their awesome appearance, people liked them too much, so eventually they made the ugly ass Batarians and Vorcha and made them as despicable as possible.

Actually the Vorcha are kind of cute, like goblin cute.

EDIT: perhaps the extent of watching their people fade from a great powerful empire to near out of existence is making the Krogan more weary and, dare I say, compassionate.

Modifié par binaryemperor, 26 mars 2010 - 09:08 .

[Marstead]

I think that the "adorable" twist on the krogan made them more interesting characters. The "hard badass war-loving" race has been done to death in fiction. I think that they're still funny jerks and lovable saints underneath the krogan exterior gives a lot of depth to the stereotype.



Good examples would be the poor krogan who watches vids of the Citadel on the extranet, and of course the krogan Scout.

[ObserverStatus]

binaryemperor wrote...
Actually the Vorcha are kind of cute, like goblin cute.

[Ecael]

Xaijin wrote...

Did they go overboard? No.


As the Blood Pack and captain epic speech of ALILILILILILILILI show, there are still PLENTY of pissed Krogan to go around.

binaryemperor wrote...

I think Bioware wanted the Krogan to be a "bad guy" race, but with Wrex as a squad member and their awesome appearance, people liked them too much, so eventually they made the ugly ass Batarians and Vorcha and made them as despicable as possible.

Actually the Vorcha are kind of cute, like goblin cute.

Both are good points. (Except for the Vorcha part!)

Tuchanka would be empty if the Krogan truly showed no compassion for others.

Modifié par Ecael, 26 mars 2010 - 09:11 .

[Ecael]

bobobo878 wrote...

binaryemperor wrote...
Actually the Vorcha are kind of cute, like goblin cute.

YouTube Link

[SimonTheFrog]

Well... i never liked a species that's centered around a stereotype. For example the greedy and physically handicapped Volus (Edit: oops... that sounded very wrong. I only meant that i dont like the fact that all Volus are acting alike as they are greedy and all relying on other to do the dirty work. I like Volus, though). Likewise, making all Krogan grunting and constantly thinking about killing is a) boring after a while and an oversimplified and immature picture of a species/society.

In a large group of living beings there's always some variety. Also, they couldn't have survived their own evolution without a basic understanding of cooperation and rules of behavior. (There is an interesting pattern there, coincidently, in current hunting society like for example in Indonesia. They have their culture centered around "hunt". Manhood and success in life etc. is hunting themed. But according to Jared Diamond at least, they are actually much less involved in glamorous hunts than what you would think after listening to their tales. They mostly eat frogs and some birds and the stuff that their wifes collect from the local flora. For the Krogans the analogy would be that all like to talk about killing and explosions as part of cultural identity but in reality most make their living with mundane stuff too and live pretty peaceful.)

Bottom line: i think its all good if we see some nasty Krogan and some civilized.

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 26 mars 2010 - 09:18 .

[InvaderErl]

The Krogan were more 3-dimensional in 2. So, win.

[dreman9999]

Ecael wrote...




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You do realized you answered your own question.
Wrex's sarcasm said it best.

Modifié par dreman9999, 26 mars 2010 - 09:18 .

[SimonTheFrog]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ecael wrote...




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You do realized you answered your own question.
Wrex's sarcasm said it best.

I thought that's something Ecael made up. Does Wrex actually say that?

[Weskerr]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ecael wrote...




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You do realized you answered your own question.
Wrex's sarcasm said it best.

I thought that's something Ecael made up. Does Wrex actually say that?

Yes, in the extinct elevator rides.

[gauntz]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

You know, I'm knee deep in an ME1 play-through, and I completely agree.

Not only were Krogan reduced from being hardened serious badasses, to adorable big boys playing with big toys, but I really noticed that Asari were seriously downgraded, and looked remarkably "simpler" and less featured.  Or maybe it's just 'cos I'm using the ultra-high res texture setting on the PC, but ME1 asari have a whole range of more subtle colorings to their skin, while also seems to glow with a pearlescent tint.  In ME2, Asari are almost monotoned in a near-matte appearance.  Asari look WAY better in ME1.

You're joking right? The Consort ("Shi'ara?") and 90% of the Asari looked like a mix between puke and roadkill, Shiali being kind of cool and Liara and Benezia obviously looked okay. In ME2, most Asari look pretty okay, Morinth and Samara are, facially, the best looking females in the game (the model for Samara has a very special and beautiful face, while I never really liked Yvonne Strahovski and Miranda even more so has some bad facial modelling, and Jack looks okay in some scenes but pretty jagged and ugly in most.)

[Ecael]

Okay, who broke the thread?

"Stupid machine! Access encrypted files!"
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Modifié par Ecael, 28 avril 2010 - 07:46 .

[SimonTheFrog]

Weskerr wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

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You do realized you answered your own question.
Wrex's sarcasm said it best.

I thought that's something Ecael made up. Does Wrex actually say that?

Yes, in the extinct elevator rides.

Ah... lol... i never brought Kaidan  to any mission after i got other crewmates because he's amazingly boring  Same with poor Jacob. 

[Heavensrun]

Ecael wrote...




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I find it amusing and ironic that the OP is complaining about the Krogan stereotype being debunked, and that he is doing so by holding up a quote from the first game where Wrex sarcastically dismisses the Krogan stereotype.