64 réponses à ce sujet

[Big Guy]

i'm playing as an elven rouge.
in the landsmeet,i defeated loghain and now i wish to kill him and make alistair the king.
after some talking,i get a persuade option which will make alistair king and me his queen.
but every time i choose this persuasion, it fails and alistair says that 
the landsmeet wont have a queen that isn't from noble blood.
i  am master in coercion(level four) and my cunning level is 40.
is it possible to become the queen(if i level up my cunning) or no matter what i wont be queen?

[ejoslin]

You can't. King Alistair can only marry a Human Noble Female.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 mars 2010 - 09:47 .

[LadyDamodred]

No, the only origin that can become queen is the HNF. Sorry.

[Nyaore]

You can become his mistress if you harden him; but as the others have stated only the HNF can become queen.

[Addai]

...by playing a different game than Dragon Age.

[Big Guy]

Nyaore wrote...

You can become his mistress if you harden him; but as the others have stated only the HNF can become queen.

"harden him"?
what do you mean by that?

[Addai]

Big Guy wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

You can become his mistress if you harden him; but as the others have stated only the HNF can become queen.

"harden him"?
what do you mean by that?

Via his personal quest.  After seeing his sister, tell him everyone is out for themselves and then confirm that in a follow-up conversation in camp.

[Big Guy]

ahh..

thanks.

[Lara Denton]

Check out this video on how to proceed with the dialog:

[errant_knight]

Big Guy wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

You can become his mistress if you harden him; but as the others have stated only the HNF can become queen.

"harden him"?
what do you mean by that?

I can see how that might be confusing. The terminology is ill-chosen and open to all kinds of misinterpretation. The game mechanic to do this is equally clumsy. Basically, even though you tell Alistair that everyone is out for themselves, he hears "you need to look out for yourself more.' Apparently there was a larger conversation that was cut in editing. While it might seem that you're convincing him to become cynical and un-Alistair-like, what you're really convincing him to do is to stand up for himself and to take his own happiness into account when making decisions--at least a little bit.

[LadyDamodred]

errant_knight wrote...

Big Guy wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

You can become his mistress if you harden him; but as the others have stated only the HNF can become queen.

"harden him"?
what do you mean by that?

I can see how that might be confusing. The terminology is ill-chosen and open to all kinds of misinterpretation. The game mechanic to do this is equally clumsy. Basically, even though you tell Alistair that everyone is out for themselves, he hears "you need to look out for yourself more.' Apparently there was a larger conversation that was cut in editing. While it might seem that you're convincing him to become cynical and un-Alistair-like, what you're really convincing him to do is to stand up for himself and to take his own happiness into account when making decisions--at least a little bit.

Really?  I would have liked to read that convo actually.
*mutters about editors*
*remembers she edits stuff and stops muttering*

[Thor Rand Al]

errant_knight wrote...
I can see how that might be confusing. The terminology is ill-chosen and open to all kinds of misinterpretation. The game mechanic to do this is equally clumsy. Basically, even though you tell Alistair that everyone is out for themselves, he hears "you need to look out for yourself more.' Apparently there was a larger conversation that was cut in editing. While it might seem that you're convincing him to become cynical and un-Alistair-like, what you're really convincing him to do is to stand up for himself and to take his own happiness into account when making decisions--at least a little bit.

That's what I had figured when you talk to him to confirm the hardening because he kind of makes that comment when you talk to him again.  It's like I'm glad you read more into that "you need to look out for yourself more.' comment, if I had any say I wouldn't of put it to you like that lmao.  It feels really ackward saying that to him and romancing him, cold and distant almost, it just feels all wrong for a woman to say it lol.

[Ceridraen]

There's a mod that removes that requirement - you can marry him as a male dwarf, if you're so inclined.

[Addai]

Mods that totally break game lore make no sense to me. That takes it into the realm of fanfiction. If you're going to do it, at least show the consequences- Alistair turns into Bhelen or gets deposed and exiled.

[Ceridraen]

I love 'breaking game lore.' It's not sacred.

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

Mods that totally break game lore make no sense to me. That takes it into the realm of fanfiction. If you're going to do it, at least show the consequences- Alistair turns into Bhelen or gets deposed and exiled.

Agreed. At that point you're not playing the game that was intended, set in the world that was intended. It's like rewriting the ending to a book. It might be more personally satisfying, but it's not the book the author wrote.

[Ceridraen]

I don't see a big reason to play a game if it's not personally satisfying. If it allows modding to the extent this one does, then it's inviting other people to add their creativity, which means story switches as well as hair styles & alternate faces. People viewing any art, including games, are intended to interpret and alter and reinvent what they see, or it wouldn't be art. If they read a book I write, and see people in a way I didn't intend, or imagine them going in a different way after the book is done, then I've made something beyond myself, which is the original purpose. I'm amazed at how many people seem to view books/movies, & now even games as some sort of bible.

[LadyDamodred]

I don't think it's that they see them as 'bibles', but that when you alter something on a fundamental level it changes it. I rewrite endings to books and movies in my head all the time, but I never forget how it was intended to be. Authors and artists make things the way they are for a reason. And while you are free to mod to your heart's content, I think some of what makes a story like DA compelling is lost when you completely throw parts of it out the window.

[TheComfyCat]

In this case, I think it's more of the fact that there's no way Fereldens would accept an elf as their queen. They lock the elves away in alienages or use them as servants. That's hardly queen material for them. They wouldn't even want a human with non-noble blood as queen... an elf as queen is just laughable to them.



Modding is fun, but breaking lore to the point of changing the way the in-game world works.... well, ultimately it's a single player game, so to each their own.

[sylvanaerie]

I always stop Moulin Rouge before that final scene so I get a "happy" ending but I know it doesn't change what happens in the movie.



Plus I think adding to art just to add umm not a good argument. Just cause you can put a mustache on the Mona Lisa I don't think its advisable.



Not to suggest that Dragon Age is anything like the Mona Lisa...

[Tamyn]

errant_knight wrote...

Big Guy wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

You can become his mistress if you harden him; but as the others have stated only the HNF can become queen.

"harden him"?
what do you mean by that?

I can see how that might be confusing. The terminology is ill-chosen and open to all kinds of misinterpretation. The game mechanic to do this is equally clumsy. Basically, even though you tell Alistair that everyone is out for themselves, he hears "you need to look out for yourself more.' Apparently there was a larger conversation that was cut in editing. While it might seem that you're convincing him to become cynical and un-Alistair-like, what you're really convincing him to do is to stand up for himself and to take his own happiness into account when making decisions--at least a little bit.

I wish there was a mod that even just changed that line for the PC so it said something more like "you need to look out for yourself more." I would never have chosen the line supplied in-game were it not for reading the forums and metagaming. It's an awful thing to say to him in my opinion, not encouraging him to look out for himself but instead crushing the idea that there is any good/selflessness to be found in anyone ever.

Modifié par Tamyn, 27 mars 2010 - 12:17 .

[ejoslin]

In a single player game, who cares? What annoys me is when someone mods their game and then says their endings happen in a non-modded game and post screenshots for "proof." Ok, so that only happened once that I know of, but it was silly.

[mousestalker]

My immediate reaction when I saw the title was "create a male elven mage and hook up with Zevran". I am such a bad bad person.

[Lara Denton]

Tamyn wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Big Guy wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

You can become his mistress if you harden him; but as the others have stated only the HNF can become queen.

"harden him"?
what do you mean by that?

I can see how that might be confusing. The terminology is ill-chosen and open to all kinds of misinterpretation. The game mechanic to do this is equally clumsy. Basically, even though you tell Alistair that everyone is out for themselves, he hears "you need to look out for yourself more.' Apparently there was a larger conversation that was cut in editing. While it might seem that you're convincing him to become cynical and un-Alistair-like, what you're really convincing him to do is to stand up for himself and to take his own happiness into account when making decisions--at least a little bit.

I wish there was a mod that even just changed that line for the PC so it said something more like "you need to look out for yourself more." I would never have chosen the line supplied in-game were it not for reading the forums and metagaming. It's an awful thing to say to him in my opinion, not encouraging him to look out for himself but instead crushing the idea that there is any good/selflessness to be found in anyone ever.

Not to mention that there is the option to say "I care about you", which is the very likely route anyone romancing him would take... And is something a friend would say as well. So yes, that line needs to be rephrased or at least another one to be added that will lead to the same outcome.

[errant_knight]

laradenton wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Big Guy wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

You can become his mistress if you harden him; but as the others have stated only the HNF can become queen.

"harden him"?
what do you mean by that?

I can see how that might be confusing. The terminology is ill-chosen and open to all kinds of misinterpretation. The game mechanic to do this is equally clumsy. Basically, even though you tell Alistair that everyone is out for themselves, he hears "you need to look out for yourself more.' Apparently there was a larger conversation that was cut in editing. While it might seem that you're convincing him to become cynical and un-Alistair-like, what you're really convincing him to do is to stand up for himself and to take his own happiness into account when making decisions--at least a little bit.

I wish there was a mod that even just changed that line for the PC so it said something more like "you need to look out for yourself more." I would never have chosen the line supplied in-game were it not for reading the forums and metagaming. It's an awful thing to say to him in my opinion, not encouraging him to look out for himself but instead crushing the idea that there is any good/selflessness to be found in anyone ever.

Not to mention that there is the option to say "I care about you", which is the very likely route anyone romancing him would take... And is something a friend would say as well. So yes, that line needs to be rephrased or at least another one to be added that will lead to the same outcome.

I think that was the point in making the line so...unobvious a choice. Much of the dialogue in the game isn't what it appears to be on the surface. That's part of gameplay. If it were obvious what that does everyone would pick it everytime.