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[TheBestClass]

It really blows. Has there been any word on whether or not Bioware plans to release some kind of upgrade that allows you to reset squadmate skill points?

[Kurupt87]

Nope, outside of modding your squaddy using gibbeds save editor there is no way to rid yourself of the abomination that is shredder ammo.

[TheBestClass]

Kurupt87 wrote...

Nope, outside of modding your squaddy using gibbeds save editor there is no way to rid yourself of the abomination that is shredder ammo.

Well that is just awful news. Thanks for the answer though. Also, sorry if you came here expecting a video of Shredder Ammo being really useful. I just now realized how the title of this thread makes it seem like I've figured out it's potential. It's a shame really, Thane is really good otherwise.

[Kurupt87]

Heh, I'd have to be high to come here expecting to find a use for shredder ammo. I was wondering though, maybe it'd be alright on a caster sent? He goes around warping/overloading everything then finishes off with gunfire. Would that be a valid use for it? Not as good as switching in reave or energy drain probably, but meh, maybe?

[Average Gatsby]

This only really applies to insanity though. It destroys veteran and below.

[Tlazolteotl]

Valid sure.

Better than armor piercing ammo? No.

[Kurupt87]

Average Gatsby wrote...

This only really applies to
insanity though. It destroys veteran and below.

Well yeah, but any/everything destroys veteran and below once you've got a good handle on the game.

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Valid sure.
Better than armor piercing ammo? No.

Don't dismiss it out of hand man, there aren't many niches that shredder can fill. I'll agree that ap is better and more versatile (duh), but on shield heavy missions shredder could shine! (I seriously doubt it though)

Anyway, all RPGs have a certain few skills/spells that are basically worthless when it comes to min/max'ing on the hardest difficulties, ME2 is no different. Shredder and fortification happen to be those skills in this game.

[Ahglock]

Average Gatsby wrote...

This only really applies to insanity though. It destroys veteran and below.

This.  My nephew gets a lot of use out of it, I think its worthless.  But I don't use Thane much anyways unless I am facing something where I think I need yet another warp and I have not unlocked Samara's loyalty reeve. 

[swk3000]

Kurupt87 wrote...

Nope, outside of modding your squaddy using gibbeds save editor there is no way to rid yourself of the abomination that is shredder ammo.

If you're on the 360, there is a way. You need to save up 9 Squad Points to Evolve Shredder Ammo. Get the power up to Level 3, then get 4 more points so you can evolve it. When you go to evolve it, press X and A at the same time. This gives you the evolution window, but also removes the squad points from the skill. If you press B in the Power Evolution window, all squad points, including the initial point that's automatically put in the power, are removed and given to you to distribute as you wish, and you don't evolve Shredder Ammo.

[TheBestClass]

I just wish the developers didn't automatically assign that 1 point in the skill. I'm not really sure why they would do that and then not give us the option to change it later. Thane is pretty much useless to me now.

[TheBestClass]

swk3000 wrote...

Kurupt87 wrote...

Nope, outside of modding your squaddy using gibbeds save editor there is no way to rid yourself of the abomination that is shredder ammo.

If you're on the 360, there is a way. You need to save up 9 Squad Points to Evolve Shredder Ammo. Get the power up to Level 3, then get 4 more points so you can evolve it. When you go to evolve it, press X and A at the same time. This gives you the evolution window, but also removes the squad points from the skill. If you press B in the Power Evolution window, all squad points, including the initial point that's automatically put in the power, are removed and given to you to distribute as you wish, and you don't evolve Shredder Ammo.

Can you do the B button thing without doing the X and A thing? I don't want to give him more skill points than he would normally get.

[TheBellTolls4Me]

Kurupt87 wrote...

Average Gatsby wrote...

This only really applies to
insanity though. It destroys veteran and below.

Well yeah, but any/everything destroys veteran and below once you've got a good handle on the game.

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Valid sure.
Better than armor piercing ammo? No.

Don't dismiss it out of hand man, there aren't many niches that shredder can fill. I'll agree that ap is better and more versatile (duh), but on shield heavy missions shredder could shine! (I seriously doubt it though)

Anyway, all RPGs have a certain few skills/spells that are basically worthless when it comes to min/max'ing on the hardest difficulties, ME2 is no different. Shredder and fortification happen to be those skills in this game.

You're kidding me, right? That's like saying Samara with Area Reave is horrible. You always max fortification on Grunt. It improves his survivability by a LOT. It makes him DESTROY husks, even on insanity.

[Kurupt87]

Ahh, sorry, I just assumed you were on PC. swk is completely right, and I think that by pressing B you just get the original 9 pts + 1 back. You can check it quickly on your shep, re train on the normandy and then try it out and see what happens.

Put 1 point in something, then exit the level screen so it saves. Then enter it again and treat it like you would shredder by following swk's instructions, see if doing it gets you any unwanted extra points.

[Kurupt87]

TheBellTolls4Me wrote...

You're kidding me, right? That's like saying Samara with Area Reave is horrible. You always max fortification on Grunt. It improves his survivability by a LOT. It makes him DESTROY husks, even on insanity.

I meant for shep.

[Tlazolteotl]

Oh yeah. I love fortification.

Pureblood Grunt with heavy fortification can be nigh indestructible ... I say nigh 'cos he still falls flat vs. hails of bullets.

[TheBestClass]

Kurupt87 wrote...

Ahh, sorry, I just assumed you were on PC. swk is completely right, and I think that by pressing B you just get the original 9 pts + 1 back. You can check it quickly on your shep, re train on the normandy and then try it out and see what happens.
Put 1 point in something, then exit the level screen so it saves. Then enter it again and treat it like you would shredder by following swk's instructions, see if doing it gets you any unwanted extra points.

Well that's pretty neat. Did they put this feature in there on purpose? I guess not if PC players don't have any equivalent option. I'll go try it out.

[Tlazolteotl]

Kurupt87 wrote...

TheBellTolls4Me wrote...

You're kidding me, right? That's like saying Samara with Area Reave is horrible. You always max fortification on Grunt. It improves his survivability by a LOT. It makes him DESTROY husks, even on insanity.

I meant for shep.

Well, ok, on shep Fortification is far weaker than Barrier or GSB (due to recharge reduction), but it's not meant for shep.

Hmm. I did take shredder ammo on one of my engineers, to hose foes with after I incinerate their armour .. and it was amusing enough.
But, I found that squad incendiary was still better.

[Kurupt87]

TheBestclass wrote...

Well that's pretty neat. Did they put this feature in there on purpose? I guess not if PC players don't have any equivalent option. I'll go try it out.

I'm of the opinion that they knew about this bug before releasing the game, or even purposefully put it in. It lets Xbox users "mod" there shep/squaddies to a small degree that would normally be impossible on a console game (or really damn complicated and involve buying extra equipment).

PC users can solve this problem by modding, and it is a pretty straightforward fix using a save game editor.

[Average Gatsby]

Fortification is balanced for Grunt and only Grunt, thats why it doesn't get any cooldown benefits. Christina Norman said that if it had, Grunt would never die.



Taking squad shredder on thane can be worth it if you don't need the unstable warp and you want a certain specific, non-ammo using squadmate on a mission.



On veteran, squad shredder from thane is ridiculously good against all those basic troops for non-ammo classes.



Taking shredder ammo on shep though is not wise.

[TheBestClass]

I just tried out the reset squad points glitch on Jack. The power I tried it on was Warp Ammo, I had 6 points in the skill (rank 3) I did exactly what swk3000 said and got back the points from the 4th and 3rd rank but not the 2nd or 1st rank. What did I mess up on?

[Kurupt87]

You press x+a at the same time? I am PC myself so I can't really help, sorry.

[TheBestClass]

Yeah, I hit X+A at the same time but I still can't get the points back from those first two ranks. Strange.

[gauntz]

Shredder Ammo doesn't suck. It's just a little behind the other ammos. But Cryo Ammo, as proven by Thisisme and a few other popular youtubers, is very good when used for squad. Shredder Ammo is a 60/80% damage increase against health that is constant, Cryo Ammo has a chance of (not instantly) disabling an enemy which gives everyone 100% damage boost against health and a chance for an insta-kill. My conclusion is that Heavy Shredder Ammo is an excellent bonus for Thane, a great dps booster for him, or alternatively, if you're a class with no ammo powers and don't wanna take Jack/Jacob/Grunt/Garrus, Squad Shredder Ammo is by no means useless.

[Tlazolteotl]

I guess if you give thane the viper, shredder might be handy to increase his dps ...

With the mantis, he doesn't need shredder to OHKO anyone in red (unless you didn't upgrade sniper rifles).

[TheBestClass]

gauntz wrote...

Shredder Ammo doesn't suck. It's just a little behind the other ammos. But Cryo Ammo, as proven by Thisisme and a few other popular youtubers, is very good when used for squad. Shredder Ammo is a 60/80% damage increase against health that is constant, Cryo Ammo has a chance of (not instantly) disabling an enemy which gives everyone 100% damage boost against health and a chance for an insta-kill. My conclusion is that Heavy Shredder Ammo is an excellent bonus for Thane, a great dps booster for him, or alternatively, if you're a class with no ammo powers and don't wanna take Jack/Jacob/Grunt/Garrus, Squad Shredder Ammo is by no means useless.

I'm a Vanguard that uses Squad Cryo right now and although Shredder has its uses, I'd much rather Thane use my Cryo. I'm not saying Shredder Ammo is crappy skill (though it is compared to every other Ammo power) I'm just arguing that this is an odd design choice to automatically dump a point into a skill you would rather not have. Especially because Thane keeps switiching to Shredder when Cryo is much superior. You'd think the A.I. would be smart enough to know that the ammo power that has more skill points invested into it (Squad Cryo) would be the better choice. Thane would work great with a Vanguard if not for his annoying ammo switching fetish.