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[GuardianAngel470]

Shandepared wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ok, fine that takes care of the latter point but what about the former?  And do we really need to be thinking about shepard as if he is the star of a bad porno?  We got quite enough of that from Jacob, we don't need it infecting the others.

Tali survived getting shot in the first game. I don't think rubbing bodies against Shepard will kill her, especially when she has taken so many precautions. Honestly kissing would be a lot more dangerous than intercourse with protection used. In kissing they are both swapping spit... that's potentially a little dangerous for both of them.

Problem with that is that her suit has section seals.  Any surface infection is limited to that small area of the suit.  If you took the suit off entirely then you would be ignoring the need for something like section seals.

And yes, swapping spit is indeed pretty dangerous, just ask anybody with an STD.  But you would be exacerbating an already big risk.  It would be the difference between skydiving with a redundant chute and without.  One is a calculated risk and the other is just stupid.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 27 mars 2010 - 01:43 .

[janeym27]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Oh Tali and Shep did have sex though, that's a given. I think Jack is the only one who is ambiguous, and I like to think they didn't - at least not then.

you can def bang Jack. I've done it twice. Once as a fling once as  "romance".

No I know as a  Ren, but the Paragon scene wasn't really clear on it.

Wait, wait, wait.  Invader, how do you know tali and shep had sex?  For all we know tali may not even have a compatible part, and oral is out of the question as those fluids are toxic to both tali and shep.  Also, no amount of antibiotics can compensate for complete and total exposure as implied by sex.  She would need to complete take off her suit.  Besides, from what I can tell from Tali's dialog on her loyalty mission and leading up to the romance, kissing would be more than enough for her, and my paragon shep isn't nearly enough of an ass to force sex on her.  I'd like to know where you get your info.

Well, I think 'sex' doesn't have to mean 'intercourse', as much as physical intimacy  (um, lesbianism, anyone?) and Tali is one of the few LIs you get a post 'cabin scene' conversation with. She says she has a bit of a cold, but it was worth it. Given that all the romance conversations are geared towards a physical expression of the relationship (save maybe paragoning Jack), I think it's fair to assume that physical intimacy did, in fact take place. For all the LIs (again, maybe not paragoning Jack - for her, the emotional closeness is harder than the physical closeness) the physical closeness seems to be the ultimate expression of their feelings for shep, be they lust, love or therwise. Now, since Bioware have decided to give us tastefully shot romance conclusion scens in keeping with the mood of the individual romance pathways, I'll grant you that we do not actually get to see a 'money shot' at any point, and therefore cannot say 'HERE IS THE PROOF THEY HAD SEX!', but I don't think inferring sex from all that went before is out of line at all. I would confidently assert that this was the intention.

BUT (and this is the beauty of Mass Effect), as players (like any film view/book reader/etc) we can look at what has been presented to us, and interperate it in the way which best makes sense to us. Your Shepard maybe didn't have sex with Tali, but someone else's did, because of how you read the scene. (Hell, if you really wanted to, you could say that your Shep never had sex with Miranada, because after the camera panned out, he lost his mojo because thoughts of the Varren STD popped into his brain. lol - we don't see them 'finish').

Now before people get annoyed and call me out on 'you can't read whatever you want into everything', let me be clear: all I'm saying is that in this game, there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to view any of the characters or relationships - it's a personal thing. I get why people get so passionate when discussing these characters (I myself am prone to Garrus nerdrage from time to time), but at the end of the day, your Shep is your Shep. Their love is their love.

Now let's all go to the Darkstar and get wasted!

Modifié par janeym27, 27 mars 2010 - 02:07 .

[InvaderErl]

janeym27 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

InvaderErl
wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

InvaderErl
wrote...

Oh Tali and Shep did have sex though, that's a given. I
think Jack is the only one who is ambiguous, and I like to think they
didn't - at least not then.

you can def bang Jack. I've
done it twice. Once as a fling once as  "romance".

No
I know as a  Ren, but the Paragon scene wasn't really clear on it.

Wait,
wait, wait.  Invader, how do you know tali and shep had sex?  For all
we know tali may not even have a compatible part, and oral is out of the
question as those fluids are toxic to both tali and shep.  Also, no
amount of antibiotics can compensate for complete and total exposure as
implied by sex.  She would need to complete take off her suit.  Besides,
from what I can tell from Tali's dialog on her loyalty mission and
leading up to the romance, kissing would be more than enough for her,
and my paragon shep isn't nearly enough of an ass to force sex on her. 
I'd like to know where you get your info.

Well, I
think 'sex' doesn't have to mean 'intercourse', as much as physical
intimacy  (um, lesbianism, anyone?) and Tali is one of the few LIs you
get a post 'cabin scene' conversation with. She says she has a bit of a
cold, but it was worth it. Given that all the romance conversations are
geared towards a physical expression of the relationship (save maybe
paragoning Jack), I think it's fair to assume that pysical intimacy did,
in fact take place. For all the LIs (again, maybe not paragoning Jack -
for her, the emotional closeness is harder than the physical
closeness). Now, since Bioware have decided to give us tastefully shot
romance conclusion scens in keeping with the mood of the individual
romance pathways, I'll grant you that we do not actually get to see a
'money shot' at any point, and therefore cannot say 'HERE IS THE PROOF
THEY HAD SEX!', but I don't think inferring sex from all that went
before is out of line at all. I would confidently assert that this was
the intention.

BUT (and this is the beauty of Mass Effect), as
players (like any film view/book reader/etc) we can look at what has
been presented to us, and interperate it in the way which best makes
sense to us. Your Shepard maybe didn't have sex with Tali, but someone
else's did, because of how you read the scene. (Hell, if you really
wanted to, you could say that your Shep never had sex with Miranada,
because after the camera panned out, he lost his mojo because thoughts
of the Varren STD popped into his brain. lol - we don't see them
'finish').

Now before people get annoyed and call me out on 'you
can't read whatever you want into everything', let me be clear: all I'm
saying is that in this game, there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to view
any of the characters or relationships - it's a personal thing. I get
why people get so passionate when discussing these characters (I myself
am prone to Garrus nerdrage from time to time), but at the end of the
day, your Shep is your Shep. Their love is their love.

Now let's
all go to the Darkstar and get wasted! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

What he said.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 27 mars 2010 - 01:47 .

[GuardianAngel470]

janeym27 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Oh Tali and Shep did have sex though, that's a given. I think Jack is the only one who is ambiguous, and I like to think they didn't - at least not then.

you can def bang Jack. I've done it twice. Once as a fling once as  "romance".

No I know as a  Ren, but the Paragon scene wasn't really clear on it.

Wait, wait, wait.  Invader, how do you know tali and shep had sex?  For all we know tali may not even have a compatible part, and oral is out of the question as those fluids are toxic to both tali and shep.  Also, no amount of antibiotics can compensate for complete and total exposure as implied by sex.  She would need to complete take off her suit.  Besides, from what I can tell from Tali's dialog on her loyalty mission and leading up to the romance, kissing would be more than enough for her, and my paragon shep isn't nearly enough of an ass to force sex on her.  I'd like to know where you get your info.

Well, I think 'sex' doesn't have to mean 'intercourse', as much as physical intimacy  (um, lesbianism, anyone?) and Tali is one of the few LIs you get a post 'cabin scene' conversation with. She says she has a bit of a cold, but it was worth it. Given that all the romance conversations are geared towards a physical expression of the relationship (save maybe paragoning Jack), I think it's fair to assume that pysical intimacy did, in fact take place. For all the LIs (again, maybe not paragoning Jack - for her, the emotional closeness is harder than the physical closeness). Now, since Bioware have decided to give us tastefully shot romance conclusion scens in keeping with the mood of the individual romance pathways, I'll grant you that we do not actually get to see a 'money shot' at any point, and therefore cannot say 'HERE IS THE PROOF THEY HAD SEX!', but I don't think inferring sex from all that went before is out of line at all. I would confidently assert that this was the intention.

BUT (and this is the beauty of Mass Effect), as players (like any film view/book reader/etc) we can look at what has been presented to us, and interperate it in the way which best makes sense to us. Your Shepard maybe didn't have sex with Tali, but someone else's did, because of how you read the scene. (Hell, if you really wanted to, you could say that your Shep never had sex with Miranada, because after the camera panned out, he lost his mojo because thoughts of the Varren STD popped into his brain. lol - we don't see them 'finish').

Now before people get annoyed and call me out on 'you can't read whatever you want into everything', let me be clear: all I'm saying is that in this game, there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to view any of the characters or relationships - it's a personal thing. I get why people get so passionate when discussing these characters (I myself am prone to Garrus nerdrage from time to time), but at the end of the day, your Shep is your Shep. Their love is their love.

Now let's all go to the Darkstar and get wasted!

Actually, that was quite insightful and it makes a good point.  It doesn't necessarily have to be the same for every person. 

[kraidy1117]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
Now, since Bioware have decided to give us tastefully shot romance conclusion scens in keeping with the mood of the individual romance pathways, I'll grant you that we do not actually get to see a 'money shot' at any point, and therefore cannot say 'HERE IS THE PROOF THEY HAD SEX!', but I don't think inferring sex from all that went before is out of line at all. I would confidently assert that this was the intention.

Now let's all go to the Darkstar and get wasted!

Yeah a money shot may be just a little too much for Bioware right now.:innocent:

I don't see why Bioware is so scared about that tho, God of War 3 anyone?

[janeym27]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
Now, since Bioware have decided to give us tastefully shot romance conclusion scens in keeping with the mood of the individual romance pathways, I'll grant you that we do not actually get to see a 'money shot' at any point, and therefore cannot say 'HERE IS THE PROOF THEY HAD SEX!', but I don't think inferring sex from all that went before is out of line at all. I would confidently assert that this was the intention.

Now let's all go to the Darkstar and get wasted!

Yeah a money shot may be just a little too much for Bioware right now.:innocent:

Way to edit my post to make me look pervey. lol

I'm a nice girl, I am. :innocent:

[RyuGuitarFreak]

I rejected Miranda once, and I felt bad lol. Like I, myself, was rejecting a hot girl which I had some crush flirting me. Never did it again, If I ever would reject some of the LIs I like to get another one I would just not talk to her.



Yeah, that's a little weird. But I can get too much immersion playing M2 sometimes.

[enormousmoonboots]

janeym27 wrote...

Well, I think 'sex' doesn't have to mean 'intercourse', as much as physical intimacy  (um, lesbianism, anyone?) and Tali is one of the few LIs you get a post 'cabin scene' conversation with. She says she has a bit of a cold, but it was worth it. Given that all the romance conversations are geared towards a physical expression of the relationship (save maybe paragoning Jack), I think it's fair to assume that physical intimacy did, in fact take place. For all the LIs (again, maybe not paragoning Jack - for her, the emotional closeness is harder than the physical closeness) the physical closeness seems to be the ultimate expression of their feelings for shep, be they lust, love or therwise. Now, since Bioware have decided to give us tastefully shot romance conclusion scens in keeping with the mood of the individual romance pathways, I'll grant you that we do not actually get to see a 'money shot' at any point, and therefore cannot say 'HERE IS THE PROOF THEY HAD SEX!', but I don't think inferring sex from all that went before is out of line at all. I would confidently assert that this was the intention.

I'm with you on everything but that. Lesbians have sex. If they don't, I guess I'm gonna have to tell some friends they're still virgins.

[GuardianAngel470]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Well, I think 'sex' doesn't have to mean 'intercourse', as much as physical intimacy  (um, lesbianism, anyone?) and Tali is one of the few LIs you get a post 'cabin scene' conversation with. She says she has a bit of a cold, but it was worth it. Given that all the romance conversations are geared towards a physical expression of the relationship (save maybe paragoning Jack), I think it's fair to assume that physical intimacy did, in fact take place. For all the LIs (again, maybe not paragoning Jack - for her, the emotional closeness is harder than the physical closeness) the physical closeness seems to be the ultimate expression of their feelings for shep, be they lust, love or therwise. Now, since Bioware have decided to give us tastefully shot romance conclusion scens in keeping with the mood of the individual romance pathways, I'll grant you that we do not actually get to see a 'money shot' at any point, and therefore cannot say 'HERE IS THE PROOF THEY HAD SEX!', but I don't think inferring sex from all that went before is out of line at all. I would confidently assert that this was the intention.

I'm with you on everything but that. Lesbians have sex. If they don't, I guess I'm gonna have to tell some friends they're still virgins.

I just had to say this but, I love your name boots, it is totally awesome.

[enormousmoonboots]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I just had to say this but, I love your name boots, it is totally awesome.

Giant footwear is one of my favorite design elements. It was a close choice between enormousmoonboots and giganticpauldrons.

[Ray Joel Oh]

janeym27 wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

ebidebby wrote...

You're right. Rejection hurts, and I shouldn't exaggerate.

Ah okay, I just wasn't picking up on your facetiousness.  Thought maybe you hadn't seen it.

Might have been my fault. I said when you initlaly reject him, he sounds liek he doesn't want to live, by which I mkeant Brandon Keener sounds super depressed. Meant that in a teenage girl 'I hate my life!' way, not trying to cause offence.

But, yes. I can't listen to Keener deliver those lines. It depresses me. (damn you, youtube!)

Haha, I wasn't offended...

[janeym27]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Well, I think 'sex' doesn't have to mean 'intercourse', as much as physical intimacy  (um, lesbianism, anyone?) and Tali is one of the few LIs you get a post 'cabin scene' conversation with. She says she has a bit of a cold, but it was worth it. Given that all the romance conversations are geared towards a physical expression of the relationship (save maybe paragoning Jack), I think it's fair to assume that physical intimacy did, in fact take place. For all the LIs (again, maybe not paragoning Jack - for her, the emotional closeness is harder than the physical closeness) the physical closeness seems to be the ultimate expression of their feelings for shep, be they lust, love or therwise. Now, since Bioware have decided to give us tastefully shot romance conclusion scens in keeping with the mood of the individual romance pathways, I'll grant you that we do not actually get to see a 'money shot' at any point, and therefore cannot say 'HERE IS THE PROOF THEY HAD SEX!', but I don't think inferring sex from all that went before is out of line at all. I would confidently assert that this was the intention.

I'm with you on everything but that. Lesbians have sex. If they don't, I guess I'm gonna have to tell some friends they're still virgins.

Sorry - I made myself misunderstood. I meant that 'sex' doesn't have to be 'intercourse', it can be a wealth of other things (I know a lot of people who do actually think that 2 girls can't have 'sex', The arguments I've heard are along the lines of 'it's not sex, it's foreplay' or 'a girl who cheats on a guy with a girl, isn't really cheating because they can't do it'.  Yes, it's a silly thing to think, and trust me, I am NOT  in that camp. It would be...hypocritcal, say. lol.) That was my point. Physical intimacy - sex. If (as is likly in cross species doin' it), this means that it doesn't fit within that narrow confine of 'v+p=sex', then that doesn't belittle it, or lessen it's value. A lot of people here seem to be of the opinion that Garrus/Tali/Thane and Shep CANNOT have sex due to physical difference, and I was disagreeing.

Physical intimacy = sex.

The exact opposite, of what you thought I meant, actually. lol. I ust type clearer late at night.

Edited for clarity and unfortunate grammer (a lot of which probably remains).

Modifié par janeym27, 27 mars 2010 - 07:39 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Sex right before the "suicide mission"?



Videogames...

[Ray Joel Oh]

Shepard doesn't want to die a virgin.

[Baris]

Oh? Come to a "romance" thread to see people immediately starting to belittle other LIs to defend theirs. You know, all the romance plots (for femshpes at least) have glaringly terrible aspects, why not leave it at that? That said,

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sex right before the "suicide mission"?

Videogames...

Heh this. I "rejected" my Shep's LI for this reason alone - I don't want either of them to be exhausted, yes.

And what's with Shep only having sex when she's about to save the galaxy anyway?

[GodWood]

stefanbw wrote...

I rejected Liara in ME1 because I wanted a single character for ME2 to romance Tali with, for some reason you are just forced into a romance with Ashley or Liara in that game.

I got another save file where I have romanced both of them though (Liara and Tali).

Not quite true.

You simply must completely turn Liara down when she says shes attracted to you and be mean to Ash fairly early on.

If they are still interested in you by the Normandy lockdown thats considered a complete romance.

[ebidebby]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Shepard doesn't want to die a virgin.

I lol'd.

And I agree wholeheartedly with Janeym27's post. The beauty of the characters in the game is that they are what you make them. In some ways, the characterization leaves some things to be desired, but there's enough there to get an active imagination going.

Having people latch onto a character or a pairing is just a good sign that the game creators did well.

And for the record, I couldn't bring myself to ever reject a LI, but did find it funny that the option was there.

My husband and I did wonder, though, if oral contact Thane makes Shepard hallucinate, is it a good idea to make out with him right  before the final battle? How long does it take to wear off?

But sex is a great stress reliever. Mordin's not kidding.

Modifié par ebidebby, 27 mars 2010 - 12:39 .

[Jarcander]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I never reject sex.

I support this healthy attitude.

I like to think that if Miranda was available for females as well, she would turn into a real love interest instead of lust interest.

[janeym27]

How does Monrith react to being rejected, by the way?



I mean, obviously, it's better than not rejecting her, but is she cool with that? Can't find vid.

[Tooneyman]

YUp with a few characters I've denied it one per game, but they always get layd at some point in the series.

[Inthatplace]

Mallissin wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Your kidding right? Tali is a lust interest and Miri is a love interest. The conversations with Miri are alot deeper then Tali >_>

You got to know Tali through two games, became friends with her. Miranda consistantly treats you more like a teammate and less like a friend, even when you do romance her. So, I don't see your side of the argument, aside from your preference for Miranda.

I romanced all three options in my play throughs and prefer Liara. So, I'm as objective as it gets.

Miranda, Jacob and Thane are definitely Lust interests. Just look at the romance scenes. Miranda wants to have sex someplace kinky. Jacob's all suave and playboy, very shallow. Thane's got the pity element, screw him before he dies and the romance scene revolves around that.

Garrus, Tali and Jack...all awkward..all emotional. No lust there, just butterflies. And you don't get butterflies from lust.

Oh gods, the thought of emotions being shown is just too much.

[exterminator_]

i want the ass of Aria ... if Wrex dont get her first