I was just wondering why they would do that and doom an entire species to racism, poverty, and misery.
Why did the council kick the quarians out of the council?
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We were never told the quarians we're even in the Council.
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I think I remember Tali mentioning in ME1.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 02:53
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Because they made AIs and it bit them in the ass. Reserch on AI without the Councils permission is illegal.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 02:54
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They were never in the Council, but they did have an embassy on the Citadel. It closing might have had something to do with the race of sapient AI they created driving them out of their home. Just a hunch.
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Highdragonslayer wrote...
I think I remember Tali mentioning in ME1.
Their embassy was shut down. I doubt they were even a Council species.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 02:58
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I think the laws on AI's was done after the Geth outbreak, and wouldn't a good galactic government help the quarians? Even if they didn't care about helping quarians wouldn't see they see a race of organic hating A.I.s as a dangerous threat that should be ended?
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:00
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Highdragonslayer wrote...
I think the laws on AI's was done after the Geth outbreak, and wouldn't a good galactic government help the quarians? Even if they didn't care about helping quarians wouldn't see they see a race of organic hating A.I.s as a dangerous threat that should be ended?
They did, they blockaded the Vail expecting an attack, never happened.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:01
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They're callous? After all the Council decided to punish the quarians for trying to destroy these millions of accident and above all illegal A.I. The Council is not nice people.
If the Council were smart and responsible they'd have intervened during the Morning War, and if they cared about the geth that much, forced a true between the two via superior firepower. Then they'd have fined and sanctioned the quarian government very heavily.
If the Council were smart and responsible they'd have intervened during the Morning War, and if they cared about the geth that much, forced a true between the two via superior firepower. Then they'd have fined and sanctioned the quarian government very heavily.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:41
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they were never on the council...they had an embassy..and they were booted because they created a race of AI which is STRICTLY forbidden by council law.
before joining the council races you MUST sign a "treaty" or agreement and one of the things on there is the outlawing of AI's and AI research.
The Quarians said "screw you" and did it anyway...it came back and bit them in the ass...millions of Quarians (or is it billions?) died....the council threw them out for it.
while they didn't deserve to have so many die..they DID deserve to be thrown out of the citadel.
before joining the council races you MUST sign a "treaty" or agreement and one of the things on there is the outlawing of AI's and AI research.
The Quarians said "screw you" and did it anyway...it came back and bit them in the ass...millions of Quarians (or is it billions?) died....the council threw them out for it.
while they didn't deserve to have so many die..they DID deserve to be thrown out of the citadel.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:43
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Suron wrote...
The Quarians said "screw you" and did it anyway...it came back and bit them in the ass...millions of Quarians (or is it billions?) died....the council threw them out for it.
They never broke the law. While they did deserve sanction for their mistake, they did not deserve to have billions of their people killed, their civilization destroyed, and their species condemned to a slow extinction.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:47
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Wasn't the law written AFTER the whole Geth thing?
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Shandepared wrote...
Suron wrote...
The Quarians said "screw you" and did it anyway...it came back and bit them in the ass...millions of Quarians (or is it billions?) died....the council threw them out for it.
They never broke the law. While they did deserve sanction for their mistake, they did not deserve to have billions of their people killed, their civilization destroyed, and their species condemned to a slow extinction.
The council likes making examples.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:51
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We were never told the quarians we're even in the Council.
What he means is that the quarians had an embassy on the citadel and the council kicked them off.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:53
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Suron wrote...
they were never on the council...they had an embassy..and they were booted because they created a race of AI which is STRICTLY forbidden by council law.
before joining the council races you MUST sign a "treaty" or agreement and one of the things on there is the outlawing of AI's and AI research.
The Quarians said "screw you" and did it anyway...it came back and bit them in the ass...millions of Quarians (or is it billions?) died....the council threw them out for it.
while they didn't deserve to have so many die..they DID deserve to be thrown out of the citadel.
Um, except the humans made an AI and all that happened to them was....was.... oh wait, nothing happened to them. Exiling humanity at that time would have been politically convenient but they didn't. The council of the morning war time were just kicking a race while they were down.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:56
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I can understand the need to punish a race for being reckless, but I think being genocided is a sufficient punishment and deterrent, there would be no need to saction a species that just had the majority of it's numbers killed and there is certainly no need to exile said species.
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Um, except the humans made an AI and all that happened to them was....was.... oh wait, nothing happened to them. Exiling humanity at that time would have been politically convenient but they didn't. The council of the morning war time were just kicking a race while they were down.
If your talking about E.D.I. she isn't really known outside of cerberus, if your talking about the numerous times a V.I. goes crazy and you gotta fix it, well I guess the council hate people in suits.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:58
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Per Mass Effect WIki:
1895 CE: The Geth War
The geth, machines created by the quarians as a source of cheap labor, become self-aware. Fearing a geth uprising, the quarians begin dismantling them. The geth revolt against their quarian masters and, in the resulting war, systematically drive the quarians from their own worlds. The surviving quarians are reduced to living as spacefaring nomads aboard the Migrant Fleet. Contrary to expectations, the geth do not venture outside the former quarian systems into wider Citadel space, instead isolating themselves from the rest of the galaxy behind the Perseus Veil. As punishment for creating the geth, the Citadel Council closes the quarian embassy on the Citadel.
1895 CE: The Geth War
The geth, machines created by the quarians as a source of cheap labor, become self-aware. Fearing a geth uprising, the quarians begin dismantling them. The geth revolt against their quarian masters and, in the resulting war, systematically drive the quarians from their own worlds. The surviving quarians are reduced to living as spacefaring nomads aboard the Migrant Fleet. Contrary to expectations, the geth do not venture outside the former quarian systems into wider Citadel space, instead isolating themselves from the rest of the galaxy behind the Perseus Veil. As punishment for creating the geth, the Citadel Council closes the quarian embassy on the Citadel.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:58
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The council likes making examples.
Is easier to make example than to actually teach people in order to prevent future mistakes.
No they weren't council members. THe were race part of council space.
Did they deserve what happended to them....well is like the fly or the spider.
Who deserves to die? the fly for being dumb and falling into the web, or the spider for just wanting to survive.
Neither is a saint neither is evil. But the entire blame rests on the quarians.
I just want them to find a new planet. Their former homeworld is no longer theirs, they fought they lost, to the victor goes the spoils.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 03:59
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GuardianAngel470 wrote...
I can understand the need to punish a race for being reckless, but I think being genocided is a sufficient punishment and deterrent, there would be no need to saction a species that just had the majority of it's numbers killed and there is certainly no need to exile said species.
Indeed. What I mean is that the Council should have intervened with their fleets before billions were killed in the Morning War. They should have destroyed the geth to save the quarians. Afterwords they'd have been justified in sanctioning the quarian government for decades to come. The Council would help the quarians repair the damage that had been done but the quarian government would have to pay that back in the form of new taxes.
While strict, such action would be completely justified on the part of the Council.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 04:00
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Um, except the humans made an AI and all that happened to them was....was.... oh wait, nothing happened to them. Exiling humanity at that time would have been politically convenient but they didn't. The council of the morning war time were just kicking a race while they were down.
If your talking about E.D.I. she isn't really known outside of cerberus, if your talking about the numerous times a V.I. goes crazy and you gotta fix it, well I guess the council hate people in suits.
No, no in the book Revelation they talk about an AI that the Alliance made that the council found out about, but the human ambassador hoodwinked the council into giving them a free pass.
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GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Suron wrote...
they were never on the council...they had an embassy..and they were booted because they created a race of AI which is STRICTLY forbidden by council law.
before joining the council races you MUST sign a "treaty" or agreement and one of the things on there is the outlawing of AI's and AI research.
The Quarians said "screw you" and did it anyway...it came back and bit them in the ass...millions of Quarians (or is it billions?) died....the council threw them out for it.
while they didn't deserve to have so many die..they DID deserve to be thrown out of the citadel.
Um, except the humans made an AI and all that happened to them was....was.... oh wait, nothing happened to them. Exiling humanity at that time would have been politically convenient but they didn't. The council of the morning war time were just kicking a race while they were down.
As I said, the Council likes making examples, it would have been convienient to let the Turians take out humanity as well, but they didn't one example is all they needed in this case it would be the Krogan doing it again would be meh.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 04:01
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Oh I didn't read the books, and a single A.I. is different to race of them anyway.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 04:04
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Highdragonslayer wrote...
Oh I didn't read the books, and a single A.I. is different to race of them anyway.
This.
Humanity took steps to limit their A.I. hence E.D.I, they understand the danger but if they are controlled, they cannot operate outside of their protocols.
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Posté 27 mars 2010 - 04:05
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Shandepared wrote...
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
I can understand the need to punish a race for being reckless, but I think being genocided is a sufficient punishment and deterrent, there would be no need to saction a species that just had the majority of it's numbers killed and there is certainly no need to exile said species.
Indeed. What I mean is that the Council should have intervened with their fleets before billions were killed in the Morning War. They should have destroyed the geth to save the quarians. Afterwords they'd have been justified in sanctioning the quarian government for decades to come. The Council would help the quarians repair the damage that had been done but the quarian government would have to pay that back in the form of new taxes.
While strict, such action would be completely justified on the part of the Council.
Or tried something like what they did between the turians and humans at first contact, broken it up before it went anywhere. Now that probably wouldn't have been possible because the geth weren't all that smart at the time, but it would have been worth a try. Besides, any mission that gets a politician killed is aces in my book.
And the taxes thing is a good idea.
