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[eternalnightmare13]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

    I was just wondering why they would do that and doom an entire species to racism, poverty, and misery.

Quarians did this to themselves.

[Nightwriter]

Yeah, and I remember that planet the quarians tried to settle after they were exiled, which the Council actually kicked them off of... what was it called...?

Poor quarians. They're doomed to migrancy.

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah, and I remember that planet the quarians tried to settle after they were exiled, which the Council actually kicked them off of... what was it called...?

Poor quarians. They're doomed to migrancy.

Not if
a) There is peace between the Geth and the Quarians (preferrable)
The Quarians win the war against the Geth
There was some heavy hinting towards Geth-Quarian peace in ME2, I'd be surprised if we weren't able to at least inch towards that in ME3. A lot of people want to take Tali to Rannoch too.

[Zulu_DFA]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

    I was just wondering why they would do that and doom an entire species to racism, poverty, and misery.

I believe it is stated in the Codex (and in the Wiki), that the Quarians asked the Council for help to quell the Geth rebellion, but were denied. Then they took it as an offence and closed their embassy on the Citadel. Nobody expelled them, they secluded themselves.

[Nightwriter]

Collider wrote...

Not if
a) There is peace between the Geth and the Quarians (preferrable)
The Quarians win the war against the Geth
There was some heavy hinting towards Geth-Quarian peace in ME2, I'd be surprised if we weren't able to at least inch towards that in ME3. A lot of people want to take Tali to Rannoch too.

I went out of my way to discourage them from war and encourage peace. I hope it happens.

Even though it killed me to agree with that admiral ****** who was mean to Tali. Afterward, when he said, "thank you for agreeing with me, Commander", I wanted to say, "Shut up. It doesn't mean I like you."

Modifié par Nightwriter, 28 mars 2010 - 02:01 .

[JThompson6577]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

I think the laws on AI's was done after the Geth outbreak, and wouldn't a good galactic government help the quarians? Even if they didn't care about helping quarians wouldn't see they see a race of organic hating A.I.s as a dangerous threat that should be ended?

First, they violated AI laws that were on the books when they violated them, that's why they created the Geth the way they did to skate around the AI laws and it created a major threat to galactic security.

Second, where did you get the idea that the Citadel Council is a good government.  The only two worse examples of government are the UN and the Obama White House.

[kregano]

JThompson6577 wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

I think the laws on AI's was done after the Geth outbreak, and wouldn't a good galactic government help the quarians? Even if they didn't care about helping quarians wouldn't see they see a race of organic hating A.I.s as a dangerous threat that should be ended?

First, they violated AI laws that were on the books when they violated them, that's why they created the Geth the way they did to skate around the AI laws and it created a major threat to galactic security.

Second, where did you get the idea that the Citadel Council is a good government.  The only two worse examples of government are the UN and the Obama White House.

Actually, I would think the Council's hardline stance did more to make the geth a threat to galactic security than the quarians did, mostly because the Council was probably going to send the turians to deal with the quarians if they didn't get rid of the geth. Had the Council been more flexible, the quarians probably wouldn't have had to worry about the turians coming and turning them into vassals and they could've fostered the development of the geth into a benovolent AI race.

[Goodwood]

kregano wrote...

JThompson6577 wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

I think the laws on AI's was done after the Geth outbreak, and wouldn't a good galactic government help the quarians? Even if they didn't care about helping quarians wouldn't see they see a race of organic hating A.I.s as a dangerous threat that should be ended?

First, they violated AI laws that were on the books when they violated them, that's why they created the Geth the way they did to skate around the AI laws and it created a major threat to galactic security.

Second, where did you get the idea that the Citadel Council is a good government.  The only two worse examples of government are the UN and the Obama White House.

Actually, I would think the Council's hardline stance did more to make the geth a threat to galactic security than the quarians did, mostly because the Council was probably going to send the turians to deal with the quarians if they didn't get rid of the geth. Had the Council been more flexible, the quarians probably wouldn't have had to worry about the turians coming and turning them into vassals and they could've fostered the development of the geth into a benovolent AI race.

Incidentally, that's what the geth have become. Legion says itself that the geth "build our own future" and that organics will only be in danger if they threaten that future. The geth believe that all sentient life should self-determinate.

[Nightwriter]

Does anyone ever wonder what other Council regimes have been like? 

I mean, we all can find a lot at fault with the current Council, but I wonder what previous administrations were like, throughout the course of Council history. We all tend to think of those three people as being THE COUNCIL, and as representing everything that the Council has ever been, but really, they're just three people, and there must have been many before them.

I find myself considering that Council regime might vary depending on who is filling those seats, much as governmental regime varies greatly depending on who is in the white house. Though, since the presidency is not a council, the comparison is not perfect.

It occurs to me that a new salarian Councilor would need to be re-elected - what  - every twenty years, assuming the salarian would at least need to be middle-aged? And that a new asari Councilor would only need to be re-elected... every few hundred years, if only Matriarchs are elected - meaning a specific asari's influence would last a lot longer than either a salarian's or a turian's.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 28 mars 2010 - 03:53 .

[Hyper Cutter]

Nightwriter wrote...

It occurs to me that a new salarian Councilor would need to be re-elected - what  - every twenty years, assuming the salarian would at least need to be middle-aged? And that a new asari Councilor would only need to be re-elected... every few hundred years, if only Matriarchs are elected - meaning a specific asari's influence would last a lot longer than either a salarian's or a turian's.

Really depends on whether the Council has term limits or is a lifetime appointment.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the current asari Councilor had been there during the Morning War, honestly.

[eternalnightmare13]

Shandepared wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Quarians did this to themselves.

I take it you never donated any money to the victims of the Haiti earthquake, or the Pakistani earthquake, or the South Asian tusnami victims, or the Hurricane Katrina victims, or the innocent victims of any of the Earth's many past and ongoing wars.

After all, it's their fault, is it not? It is logical to blame the entire population of a nation or race for the failings of their leaders.

My personal life and beliefs are none of your business and not open for discussion on a public forum dedicated for the sole purpose of a fictional story based  game.  Do not presume to pass judgement on me based on a simple statement on a simple forum discussing works of fiction.  I have not done so to you.

The quarians are fictional.  It's okay to dislike a race/character/etc in a game/movie and book.  This is how my character sees the quarians and has nothing to do with myself.  It's called role play, and has absolutely nothing to do with my own sense of morality and compassion.  No more then an actor playing a role of a villian or an author writing a novel about a serial killer would necessarily make that person moraly bankrupt by his/her association with a work of pure fiction.

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 28 mars 2010 - 06:33 .

[Lord Coake]

Because all the Asari maidens were tired of being overlooked in favor of dem hips and forced the Council to boot the Quarians en masse.

[Goodwood]

Lord Coake wrote...

Because all the Asari maidens were tired of being overlooked in favor of dem hips and forced the Council to boot the Quarians en masse.

Bwahahahahaha, nice.

[eternalnightmare13]

Shandepared wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

 It's called role play, and has absolutely nothing to do with my own sense of morality and compassion.  No more then an actor playing a role of a villian or an author writing a novel about a serial killer would necessarily make that person moraly bankrupt by his/her association with a work of pure fiction.

Oh, so you were just roleplaying. That's all you had to say. Really, no need to get so verbose.

Maybe next time you disagree with someone you'll remember ME is
fictional

[Kaiser Shepard]

adam_grif wrote...

AI research was only banned after the Geth incursion, not before.

There were laws in place against AI research & development before the Morning War, Tali herself told us so.