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[Feraele]

BRUSSELS – Plenty of people download music from the Internet every day, but illegal downloading has a huge economic impact and could put more than one million people out of work by 2015, experts say.

A study into Internet piracy by a Paris-based consultancy published on Wednesday showed that 1.2 million jobs in the European Union could be lost over the next five years if more is not done to clamp down on illegal downloading.

The study by TERA Consultants for the International Chamber of Commerce focused on piracy in Europe's music, film, television and software industries.

http://www.canada.co...7689/story.html


Food for thought..don't you think?

[Seagloom]

I'd like to say this comes as a surprise but it doesn't, plain and simple. Piracy is a fancy word for what is basically theft. Of course it's going to make someone suffer eventually, even if a thief's actions do so indirectly. I doubt the majority of them think their choices have far reaching effects. That includes the self proclaimed crusaders pirating to make a stand against perceived corporate corruption.

[Rubbish Hero]

Although I'm against piracy, I do hope it's crap like American Idol and Lady Gaga, it would be nice to see them broke.

[Arbiter Libera]

Seagloom wrote...

I'd like to say this comes as a surprise but it doesn't, plain and simple. Piracy is a fancy word for what is basically theft. Of course it's going to make someone suffer eventually, even if a thief's actions do so indirectly. I doubt the majority of them think their choices have far reaching effects. That includes the self proclaimed crusaders pirating to make a stand against perceived corporate corruption.

What these companies have (apparently) only just recently began to realize is that 90% of these "pirates" don't even matter since all they do is just download content that was already uploaded by someone else. THOSE people need to be stopped, not your "average Joe" torrent downloader who doesn't understand more than torrent -> download -> unrar. It's gonna be hell for them when ACTA gets implemented.

[Feraele]

Artists and writers lose due to piracy Mavi. They are ordinary folk..not corporate entities.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Unless you get dropped from your label in order to cut costs.

[Seagloom]

Arbiter Libera wrote...

What these companies have (apparently) only just recently began to realize is that 90% of these "pirates" don't even matter since all they do is just download content that was already uploaded by someone else. THOSE people need to be stopped, not your "average Joe" torrent downloader who doesn't understand more than torrent -> download -> unrar. It's gonna be hell for them when ACTA gets implemented.

That's true. I think many of these companies and the law is only now catching up to current tech. Not too long ago Wizards of the Coast sued a bunch of people for uploading PDFs of recently released books. If glory seeking uploaders are dealt with I imagine it will cut down piracy of newer games and music. Although, I think even with ACTA these things will slip through the cracks.

Modifié par Seagloom, 27 mars 2010 - 12:42 .

[Feraele]

I'm sorry I can't reconcile that its "okay" to rob someone..just because of who they might be.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Unless you get dropped from your label in order to cut costs.

That's called 'being a ****ty band'.  

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yes when Gold is no longer good enough, you get axed from your label because your a ****ty band eh?

[Feraele]

Whats the likelyhood of these corporate execs..taking that kind of pay cut...none. Same as politicians..most won't make laws that give themselves less money...just how it is.

[Feraele]

These same corporate execs also like to "downsize and make redundant" certain jobs for their underlings....



A job I was at for 15 years, made redundant...redundant means not needed ..will not ever be needed again.



Three hundred people let go..from one office that used to do ALL the medical insurance for the Province of BC, with contacts with embassies and other places all over the world.



Two weeks after we were gone...an American corporation comes in and starts doing our very same.."redundant" jobs.



Redundant? My Aunt Fanny.

[Feraele]

But at any rate..I don't agree with piracy...its the same thing as theft. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things.

[MerinTB]

While this thread won't last past the weekend (even talking about piracy is a "no-no" by the rules) - here's the thing:



"Lost potential sales", how they refer to all the money they "should" make for each pirated copy of something, is a made-up statistic. They would NEVER see ALL those as sales (some people who pirate something don't keep it as they don't like it and wouldn't have even tried it if they had to buy it, so no sale; and some will not pay for anything if they can help it, so no sale.) AND they fail to account for the number of people who DO buy what they pirate after they try it "illegally" - and that number is pretty high, something they never try to poll because it destroys their arguments.



If you take out the concept of bootlegs (where I limit the term to mean getting copies of things not commercially available), what you really have is about the same as a friend loaning another friend their copy of something. The friend borrowing the game or movie or book or music just got the use of that without paying, and as far as the entertainment industry is concerned that is a "lost potential sale" as those people got to use a product that they didn't pay for.

Sometimes those friends who borrow that movie will loan the borrowed movie out - once I loaned a copy of Gamers I had bought to a friend, who ended up loaning it to three different friends of his before I finally got it back!



What happens with those friends who borrowed the property? They were either "eh" and don't keep it (return it and don't get their own copy), they liked it and get their own copy, they didn't like it or didn't even watch it. I feel that is probably typical.



In short, piracy is demonized and made up to be far worse and far more devastating than it actually is. And the best way to fight it, as opposed to lawsuits and fines, is to cater more to the consumer, give them more of what they want and in ways that are easy and affordable for them to get. Stop wasting all the time and money and legal resources on such a small issue.

[Sa Seba]

Feraele wrote...
These same corporate execs also like to "downsize and make redundant" certain jobs for their underlings....
A job I was at for 15 years, made redundant...redundant means not needed ..will not ever be needed again.
Three hundred people let go..from one office that used to do ALL the medical insurance for the Province of BC, with contacts with embassies and other places all over the world.
Two weeks after we were gone...an American corporation comes in and starts doing our very same.."redundant" jobs.
Redundant? My Aunt Fanny.

Thank you, Mr. Campbell is all I have to say to that.

[Panderfringe]

I guarantee you'll find the study was funded, in part, by IP industries.

[addiction21]

I'm too sexy for this thread

[Feraele]

Sa Seba wrote...

Feraele wrote...
These same corporate execs also like to "downsize and make redundant" certain jobs for their underlings....
A job I was at for 15 years, made redundant...redundant means not needed ..will not ever be needed again.
Three hundred people let go..from one office that used to do ALL the medical insurance for the Province of BC, with contacts with embassies and other places all over the world.
Two weeks after we were gone...an American corporation comes in and starts doing our very same.."redundant" jobs.
Redundant? My Aunt Fanny.

Thank you, Mr. Campbell is all I have to say to that.

And you agree that your personal medical information..is now all stored and based in the US of A?   hehehe Where its not so private any more?    Alrighty then.

[Crixt]

Gotta love those ads that run before the film at the movies, like "You wouldn't download a CAR." You bet your ass I would, if I could.

[cynicalsaint1]

Crixt wrote...

Gotta love those ads that run before the film at the movies, like "You wouldn't download a CAR." You bet your ass I would, if I could.

Word.

[DarthCaine]