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[Varenus Luckmann]

Alarmist propaganda. The study is only true if the total amount of pirated content was sold, generating revenue. And that's just not true.

[Rubbish Hero]

This was a good game.

Everyone who stole it should probably have there head put under-water under who stop taking in air.



http://www.wired.com...hq-blames-pira/

[Varenus Luckmann]

Rubbish Hero wrote...
This was a good game.
Everyone who stole it should probably have there head put under-water under who stop taking in air.

http://www.wired.com...hq-blames-pira/

That story was hogwash when it first surfaced, and it's still hogwash.

[Maria Caliban]

"We should change the word piracy," she told reporters at the unveiling of the report on Wednesday.

"To me, piracy is something adventurous, it makes you think about Johnny Depp. We all want to be a bit like Johnny Depp. But we're talking about a criminal act. We're talking about making it impossible to make a living from what you do," she said.

Or maybe we should stop making movies in which slavers, murderers, thieves, and rapists are portrayed as romantic and amusing.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Maria Caliban wrote...

"We should change the word piracy," she told reporters at the unveiling of the report on Wednesday.

"To me, piracy is something adventurous, it makes you think about Johnny Depp. We all want to be a bit like Johnny Depp. But we're talking about a criminal act. We're talking about making it impossible to make a living from what you do," she said.

Or maybe we should stop making movies in which slavers, murderers, thieves, and rapists are portrayed as romantic and amusing.

While that'd deprive us of such gems as Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Snatch and Blinkende Lygter, I am inclined to agree.

Uuh.. not that it has to much to do with the argument. Were you being sarcastic, or were you just taking a pot shot?

[Varenus Luckmann]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

"We should change the word piracy," she told reporters at the unveiling of the report on Wednesday.

"To me, piracy is something adventurous, it makes you think about Johnny Depp. We all want to be a bit like Johnny Depp. But we're talking about a criminal act. We're talking about making it impossible to make a living from what you do," she said.

Or maybe we should stop making movies in which slavers, murderers, thieves, and rapists are portrayed as romantic and amusing.

I have never seen a movie where a rapist has been portrayed as romantic and amusing...

I think she meant that real pirates were slavers, murderers, thieves and rapists, wheras they tend to not be portrayed that way in movies, romanticizing the pirate ideal, which is then carried over to software piracy in it's romanticized form.

Instead of trying to reinterpret the 'Pirate!' label of software piracy because piracy it's romanticized, we should stop romanticizing "Piracy!" to begin with.

Maria, correct me if I'm wrong.

That said, I don't share that view on pirates. Most pirates in the carribbean was, to my understanding, sanctioned by a variety of governments and organizations, and contrary to contemporary portrayals, some of the most (in)famous pirates actually kept a pretty tight ship. This is just my understanding of the matter, though, which doesn't necessary stand up to scrutiny.

Edit: I also want to stress that the piracy label can't be reinterpreted at will, since it's a self-applied (by pirates themselves) label, based on their interpretation of the matter. You can call pirates rapists and murderers, or just all-out criminals, because the fact of the matter is that this self-applied label sends the very real message of "We don't care.".

Scheissegal, Me ne frego, etc, etc.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 07 avril 2010 - 12:29 .

[Rubbish Hero]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

"We should change the word piracy," she told reporters at the unveiling of the report on Wednesday.

"To me, piracy is something adventurous, it makes you think about Johnny Depp. We all want to be a bit like Johnny Depp. But we're talking about a criminal act. We're talking about making it impossible to make a living from what you do," she said.

Or maybe we should stop making movies in which slavers, murderers, thieves, and rapists are portrayed as romantic and amusing.

I have never seen a movie where a rapist has been portrayed as romantic and amusing...

Go to Japan, them a weird lot.

[Rubbish Hero]

Rape is very bad and not amusing, unless it's Leslie Nelson.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 07 avril 2010 - 12:34 .

[Rubbish Hero]

Murder is very bad and not amusing, unless it's OJ Simpson.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...
Well i fought in the army for ten years. Does that not mean i am a murderer but also just doing my job? Can i not still be romantic and amusing?

Not to be defending bad people but still its a point i think needs to be considered. Alot of theives (rapists dont count here...) do these things out of necessity and not out of choice.

Which is somewhat my point. Sanctioned killing deemed necessary is usually not referred to as murder. Yes, we can probably argue the morality of that and no I don't condone sanctioned killing either. But that's beside the point.

As I always try to stress in threads like this, it's futile to try to pet definitions based on legality, such as "It is illegal to steal. Software piracy is stealing. Therefore, pirates = thieves". What we need to debate then, is morality.

And the fact of the matter, from where I'm standing, is that software piracy and material theft are completely different on a moral spectrum. There are are many issues to consider in both. As you say, some may argue that material theft is a necessity for some due to poor social security nets, whilst others my argue that software piracy is a victimless crime and that pirated software does not equal a lost sale (which a material theft would).

We have to keep the issues of morality contra legality seperate in this context, yet the former must inevitably form the basis of the latter. Hence why they constantly get confused, especially in modern society, where legality have started to define morality, instead of the other way around.

Which is just insane.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 07 avril 2010 - 12:44 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Rubbish Hero wrote...
Murder is very bad and not amusing, unless it's OJ Simpson.

[savagesparrow]

So I come from kinda a weird place in this debate. I do a webcomic. It is my primary source of income. I put the entire comic online for free--anyone can read the whole thing without paying a dime. That being said, I also have hard copy books made from this material, so if you really want to support me, you can grab the books. The books have like, 6-8 pages of extra comics in there, but they're not really a part of the main story, just fun side comics for people to enjoy. And yet plenty of people still buy my stuff, enough so that I can continue to pay my rent and make comics for free for everyone. If I =didn't= put my stuff out there on the net, I seriously doubt I'd be making even the tiniest fraction of what I'm making now (though granted, it's not a lot ^^; ). Its the same way with indie bands--put up your tracks for free on myspace or on soulseek or whatever, if people dig 'em, there's a nice percentage that'll support you for the work you're doing. Granted, lots of people won't (if every one of my readers donated a buck I'd be making 6 figures a year XD ) but I think the exposure you get way outweighs anything else =)

[blueL]

[Stanley Woo]

Let's take the political discussion somewhere else, please. Thank you.



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