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[MrDbow]

Death.



I should first say that I do not wish any ill-will toward Tali, as I find her character to be one of the richest in the Mass Effect Universe.  But what I am talking about is how her face should be revealed to the audience, regardless of your feelings (or lack thereof) toward her.


I know some cringe when we hear others mention that ME2 is the "Empire Strikes Back" edition of the trilogy.  But I think if you keep with that theme; there are going to be some memorable sacrifices in the next installment.


Assuming of course that you had a relatively successful suicide mission in ME2 (no deaths), I can see Bioware having to make the ultimate choice in sacrificing a character (or two) that has spread across the trilogy.


Imagine if you will, as Shepard, you have Tali and Garrius with you on some Reaper Super-Structure (be it a base or a Reaper itself). I can foresee an "interrupt" moment that (in this example) where Tali throws herself in front of a vulnerable Shepard, and is severally wounded.  She can still fight the fight, but she is getting progressively worse and worse.


Fast forward to our three heroes running (Shepard with Tali in tow, and Garrius running up ahead of them) to their getaway vessel.  Garrius is in the vessel powering up engine to flee the exploding (or dying) Reaper, and Shepard hovering over a dying Tali.  Tali is not going to survive and she asks to see Shepard "with her own eyes" and not through her visor. And thus the reveal is done. We watch as our first glimpse of Tali'Zorah's face is also our last as she slips away.  Now we just had our "Return of the Jedi" moment.


Not an original idea, obviously, but an idea that would serve as an epic moment for an ending of a beloved character that bathes the character in strength and courage.



Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Modifié par SimplyNeo, 27 mars 2010 - 02:24 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well they could have done all that in ME 2, but they didn't. (She can die multiple times)

Probably for the same reason they don't have Female equivalents for much of the species >

And, ehh I dunno about your idea, I would prefer choices all over ME 3 like Virmire in ME 1.

*EDIT: Although I am in support of your characters acting with their own interupts so to speak.  

I think I said something in there

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 27 mars 2010 - 02:23 .

[Skilled Seeker]

After a Varren takes a dump inside her helmet Bioware can reveal her face.

[MrDbow]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

After a Varren takes a dump inside her helmet Bioware can reveal her face.

Obviously, you are a hug fan of .... the Varrens?

[Alamar2078]

I was kinda hoping that the Suicide Mission in ME2 would be like Vermire on crack. I still wonder what the game would be like if asking someone to "Hold the Line" would basically be asking for them to get killed [90% chance of any one character dieing or some such] ...

[Sajuro]

Or they just don't, just barely blocking out her face every time they player would get a chance to see it. Besides, shepherd would have already seen her face if he romanced her voiding that option for players who romanced Tali.. unless she asks Shepherd to kiss her one last time.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Alamar2078 wrote...

I was kinda hoping that the Suicide Mission in ME2 would be like Vermire on crack. I still wonder what the game would be like if asking someone to "Hold the Line" would basically be asking for them to get killed [90% chance of any one character dieing or some such] ...

Honestly I thought that option might be like that, but when no one died and in the next playthrough I chose the other option I was like ERK.  The Hold the Line option should have had a higher success rate for the heavy hitters to survive while the other option should have been like a run like hell scenario where the non-heavies had a better chance.  Still possible to get everyone to survive just way harder.  Dissapointed that the scenario was the same with both options.

[Ecael]

It would be downright hilarious if they actually had grey skin (like the concept art/placeholder) and Tali ended up looking exactly like this:

Click to Reveal Tali's Face!


Heads will explode.

Modifié par Ecael, 27 mars 2010 - 02:35 .

[MrDbow]

You have water downed-Virmire moments during the suicide mission, since you have to choose who leads where and who goes and who stays, however, it is never a clear cut choice like you had ME1. There is a chance everyone comes out. You never have to choose for Tali to stay and die while the others escape.

In ME3, it is going to be the completion of this story and how are they are going to wrap up relationships with your crew and of course the overall store. Maybe you do not have the choice, but your previous actions now control how your crew reacts to situations. If you choose Paragon methods when dealing with Tali's loyalty mission, she would become more willing to sacrifice herself for you. Which in my example could lead to her revealing her face to the audience.

This was more about how to reveal her face, but I actually am liking the idea of 3rd party chooses based on your previous decisions in ME1 & 2.

Modifié par SimplyNeo, 27 mars 2010 - 03:40 .

[epoch_]

SimplyNeo wrote...

Death.

no

[AM50]

It would make for a good story piece to be honest. I think that they need to do a Virmire-esque situation where you have to save one and let the other die. That's what I think they need. But I am sure the story team already has something planned out. In BioWare I trust!

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'm telling you, the Alliance Soldier will hunt you down because you work for Cerberus, the Normandy gets destroyed and all of your crew gets killed instead of Shepard. Liara will help reconstruct your face and then you gather allies against the reaper threat while holding off the Alliance.



That is ME 3!

[Mcjon01]

SimplyNeo wrote...

... Tali'Zorah's face ... "Return of the Jedi" moment.

I'm sorry, but this is all I got from your post:

[MrDbow]

Mcjon01 wrote...

SimplyNeo wrote...

... Tali'Zorah's face ... "Return of the Jedi" moment.

I'm sorry, but this is all I got from your post:

:O:O:O:O:O:O

[Rikketik]

I think your idea has potential for the story in general, but I don't know if I would use it as a way to show the player what Tali's face really looks like. I for one would probably never want to see Tali's ingame face, because there's a big change that BioWare's image of her doesn't do justice to the image I have of the real, unmasked Tali in my mind.

[MrDbow]

Rikketik wrote...

I think your idea has potential for the story in general, but I don't know if I would use it as a way to show the player what Tali's face really looks like. I for one would probably never want to see Tali's ingame face, because there's a big change that BioWare's image of her doesn't do justice to the image I have of the real, unmasked Tali in my mind.

I actually agree with you.  I think a greater than 50% of the audience would want to see her face, however.  My scenario is more to appease those who want to see her face... and then a splash of cold water to your face because now she is dead.

Modifié par SimplyNeo, 27 mars 2010 - 03:45 .

[epoch_]

Rikketik wrote...

I think your idea has potential for the story in general, but I don't know if I would use it as a way to show the player what Tali's face really looks like. I for one would probably never want to see Tali's ingame face, because there's a big change that BioWare's image of her doesn't do justice to the image I have of the real, unmasked Tali in my mind.

They're almost certainly going to show it. After the tease last game, there is really only one more place to go. She'll also look very human in order to please the largest amount of people.

[Suron]

SimplyNeo wrote...

  Tali is not going to survive and she asks to see Shepard "with her own eyes" and not through her visor. And thus the reveal is done. We watch as our first glimpse of Tali'Zorah's face is also our last as she slips away.  Now we just had our "Return of the Jedi" moment.

you almost had me till this.

this is a stupid idea.  we don't need a total ripoff.

[RigAudio]

They should reveal her face right after a rocket slams into her mask

[GodWood]

The perfect oportunity to reveal her face would of been just before the romance scene, she'd reveal her face then ask "Do you think I'm beautiful" (or something like that) thus giving the layer to decide whether they like her face there and then.



Now its just going to dissapoint a lot of people if they reveal her face after the romance because she could look completely different to what people imagine.

[RigAudio]

GodWood wrote...

The perfect oportunity to reveal her face would of been just before the romance scene, she'd reveal her face then ask "Do you think I'm beautiful" (or something like that) thus giving the layer to decide whether they like her face there and then.

Oooo! They should reveal her face AFTER they say whether she's beautiful or not, then a face would be assigned based on their choice! Hahahahaha

[Kaiser Shepard]

[Internet Kraken]

RigAudio wrote...

GodWood wrote...



The perfect oportunity to reveal her face would of been just before the romance scene, she'd reveal her face then ask "Do you think I'm beautiful" (or something like that) thus giving the layer to decide whether they like her face there and then.

Oooo! They should reveal her face AFTER they say whether she's beautiful or not, then a face would be assigned based on their choice! Hahahahaha

BioWare would tie Valve for my favorite developer if they did this.



Anyways, I think revealing Tali's face during such a moment would be pretty bad. A lot of player's immersion will be completley broken when they see that she isn't what they consider to be beautiful, ruining the moment.

[_purifico_]

doubleposting

Modifié par _purifico_, 27 mars 2010 - 04:44 .