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[Tankfriend]

uzivatel wrote...
Of course, Black Edition owners had to pay more - they get bigger compensation.
That and they already have the extra content other players get.

And? Does that somehow mean that non-Black Edition customers are suffering less from the overall connection problems and thus are less entitled to a compensation? Just think about it this way: If every single customer would get a full game as compensation and the additional content would remain additional (i.e. not included as compensation at all - thus, BE customers would retain what they paid more for), everyone would receive the same compensation for the exact same problem. Sounds fair for everyone to me.
Here's the catch: It's expensive. UBI is obviously saving a lot of money by just giving out the extra content for free and giving a free game to a by far smaller number of BE customers.

Especially pirates [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

You mean the pirates that don't care about copy protection and DRM anyway, simply crack the system and then play the game with much less of a hassle than the honest customer?
The publishers could invest all that money from DRM measures in the actual game - that would at least not go to waste.

[Jax Sparrow]

People are getting worked up over this? seriously? They just started brainstorming for ME3 and you are worried about what DRM they will use two years from now? Doesn't anyone else realize how ludicrous that is?

I am positive that the people who made BioWare signed a contract with EA and that contract probably gives them a lot more control than people here seem to believe. Furthermore Command & Conquer is the intellectual property of no-one but EA. So a few people wish to turn into Chicken Little because of a fubar EA has done with a completely unrelated game? Take a deep breath and go for a walk... or meditate some, yikes.

Modifié par Jax Sparrow, 28 mars 2010 - 05:18 .

[Silver]

I hope that ME3 will not have this kind of DRM... I'm okay with a CD-Key and subsequent Online-Activation that binds the game to my account here in the Social Network (as I am not really interested in selling my games) but that's it then.



If ME3 really gets this form of DRM-Cancer, then I'll buy it as soon as there is a crack that removes this crap.

[uzivatel]

Tankfriend wrote...

Does that somehow mean that non-Black Edition customers are suffering less from the overall connection problems and thus are less entitled to a compensation?

Of course, they did pay much less.

Just think about it this way: If every single customer would get a full game as compensation and the additional content would remain additional (i.e. not included as compensation at all - thus, BE customers would retain what they paid more for), everyone would receive the same compensation for the exact same problem. Sounds fair for everyone to me.
Here's the catch: It's expensive. UBI is obviously saving a lot of money by just giving out the extra content for free and giving a free game to a by far smaller number of BE customers.

Why should all get the same compensation in the first place?

Especially pirates [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

You mean the pirates that don't care about copy protection and DRM anyway, simply crack the system and then play the game with much less of a hassle than the honest customer?

They do care, if they can not play the game, because there is no crack.

[Eledran]

As ME2 didn't use anything of this sort, I don't expect ME3 to use it either.

Trying to prevent piracy with these systems is an epic fail in any case, it will go a long way to ****** off your customers with all sorts of issues, but will only take the pirates a couple more days to put it into a torrent (at best).

Modifié par Eledran, 28 mars 2010 - 05:41 .

[Eurypterid]

Jax Sparrow wrote...

People are getting worked up over this? seriously? They just started brainstorming for ME3 and you are worried about what DRM they will use two years from now? Doesn't anyone else realize how ludicrous that is?

I am positive that the people who made BioWare signed a contract with EA and that contract probably gives them a lot more control than people here seem to believe. Furthermore Command & Conquer is the intellectual property of no-one but EA. So a few people wish to turn into Chicken Little because of a fubar EA has done with a completely unrelated game? Take a deep breath and go for a walk... or meditate some, yikes.

It's unfortunate fact that (for me) I want to find out what kind of protection scheme is on a game before I buy it. Having been burned by DRM schemes before, I no longer  buy any games that have a scheme that I will not accept. (No, I don't pirate, nor do I wait for a crack and then buy. It's just off my list completely). In light of what Ubi and EA have come out with on recent titles, it seems that DRM is getting more and more restrictive and worse for the
end-user.  So no, I don't think it's ludicrous to be concerned about what type of DRM may be on an upcoming title - especially one that's in a series you really want to play.

[Dethateer]

uzivatel wrote...

They do care, if they can not play the game, because there is no crack.

There is/will always be a crack. Nothing is uncrackable.

[ThePasserby]

Jax Sparrow wrote...

People are getting worked up over this? seriously? They just started brainstorming for ME3 and you are worried about what DRM they will use two years from now? Doesn't anyone else realize how ludicrous that is?

I am positive that the people who made BioWare signed a contract with EA and that contract probably gives them a lot more control than people here seem to believe. Furthermore Command & Conquer is the intellectual property of no-one but EA. So a few people wish to turn into Chicken Little because of a fubar EA has done with a completely unrelated game? Take a deep breath and go for a walk... or meditate some, yikes.

Most here simply voiced their views on whether they'd buy the game or not in the event that ME does use a constant connection DRM. Try following your own advice and not get too worked up over people getting worked up, shall we?

[LiquidGrape]

I barely buy games as it is, because of these inane counter-piracy efforts which in the end only has the honest customer suffer.

A dick move like that would absolutely turn me off ME3.

Hell, if ME2 was any indication it likely wouldn't be up to the hype anyway.

[uzivatel]

Dethateer wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

They do care, if they can not play the game, because there is no crack.

There is/will always be a crack. Nothing is uncrackable.

It does not have to be uncrackable - as long as there is no crack during the first few weeks after launch, the protection got the job done.
Many companies remove copy protection after few months via patch.

[Dethateer]

But... you're assuming pirates have nothing to do while waiting for those games to be cracked.

[uzivatel]

I doubt anyone cares ... as long as it does not hurt sales of their new games.

Modifié par uzivatel, 28 mars 2010 - 06:30 .

[Tankfriend]

uzivatel wrote...
Of course, they did pay much less.
...
Why should all get
the same compensation in the first place?

Because everyone is suffering from the exact same problem to the exact same extent, perhaps?
Whether you spent more money to get more content or not is entirely irrelevant when the game itself is not working properly.

[RyrineaNara]

This is why I like my console a little bit better for the RPGS. However, I might just buy the game for PC when it comes out.

[Dr Metzger]

If EA did what they have done with bad company 2 in the future I could deal with that, either play with the disc or play connected online without the disc for the choices at install.

Still seems excessive if the game is SP only but getting rid of the disc check could compensate a bit perhaps.

EDIT: also it wouldn't hurt to have it fall back to a disc check if the online service is unavailable, like Relic does for Company of Heroes, that would avoid the issues with losing game progress if going that route anyway.

Modifié par Dr Metzger, 28 mars 2010 - 06:36 .

[uzivatel]

Tankfriend wrote...

uzivatel wrote...
Of course, they did pay much less.
...
Why should all get the same compensation in the first place?

Because everyone is suffering from the exact same problem to the exact same extent, perhaps? 
Whether you spent more money to get more content or not is entirely irrelevant when the game itself is not working properly.

I dont really see anything wrong about it.
You pay more = you get more ... thats the way things should be.

[CatatonicMan]

DRM is tolerable if and only if the legitimate end user (you know, the one who paid for the game) is never ever bothered or inconvenienced by it.



If DRM starts inconveniencing legitimate users, then I suspect that those same users will opt for the pirated versions that bypass said DRM.

[Jax Sparrow]

@ ThePasserby :  What about my post suggested I was worked up?  I am shocked yes... worked up?  not so much.  Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion... as am I.  I believe this whole thread is quiet similar to making a mountain out of a mole hill.  But hey! that is just my opinion.  


@ Eurypterid :   My point is that particular DRM system will obviously fail.  The time it takes for BioWare to make ME3 is a long time for EA to figure that out.  And I have yet to find any third party in the making of Command & Conquer 4 that could have theoretically 'stopped' it.

[xDarkicex]

I got a wired and wireless connection that is always on so I will buy these always on internet connection things don't really bother me just wish they let us save out saves on our computer I guess no gibbed save editor on ME3

[sherban1988]

ME3 is at the very least one year away.

From what I saw on the web, this new DRM system really made people angry, a lot of them opting to not buy said game anymore because of it. They'll realize that they loose money and this system will be shot back down the hole it crawled out of.

As a side note, I think that crap like this is exactly what encourages piracy. I don't know who thought this up, but he/she should be fired faster then EDI can hack a current day PC. To qoute the Angry Video Game Nerd... "What were they thinking??"

Modifié par sherban1988, 28 mars 2010 - 08:07 .

[Captain Crash]

So what you will about consoles, but a least we dont have to deal with this!!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Captain Crash wrote...

So what you will about consoles, but a least we dont have to deal with this!!

Unless you Download XBLA games and have a system crash.

[Havokk7]

I don't live in a country where Internet access is that reliable. So, no I won't buy a game with such DRM.

[Tankfriend]

uzivatel wrote...
I dont really see anything wrong about it.
You pay more = you get more ... thats the way things should be.

That's exactly how the entire special edition business works and I have not the faintest bit of a problem with that.
There's just a tiny problem to it: We're not talking about buying the things here. We're talking about the core thing of the entire package being broken, the core of the package that is exactly the same for every single customer out there.

Let's make an analogy (I know they're hated and not always fitting but that's what I do now anyway):
You buy a car and spend some additional money on extras (seat warmers or whatever comes to your mind).
Someone else also buys the same car but stays with the basic variant.

Let's say the motor of that car model is prone to breakdown and indeed it does break down for both you, the other guy and a lot of other persons. The manufacturer offers a replacement motor for free and a little bit of money on top for the inconvenience.
Now, are you trying to tell me that the manufacturer has to pay you more money for the exact same problem than all the other people simply because you spent additional money on extras that had nothing whatsoever to do with the actual problem?

[uzivatel]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

So what you will about consoles, but a least we dont have to deal with this!!

Unless you Download XBLA games and have a system crash.

You may use the "DRM Tool" to transfer licenses...