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[aries1001]

At least for AC2, there's a customer friendly description on the front of the game about a 'permanent internet connection is required to to play the game.' And only for the pc game, it seems. The console games do not (as of yet) have this requirement. A lot of well-made points have been made, courtly and diligently, I find. All these fine points still stand, I think. The most prominent one being that people in Australia don't have reliable internet connections at all; some people in Europe also have this e.g. as they don't have internet connections that are very reliable as well. Especially people way out in the country. This goes for Germany, the UK, Denmark, Norway and Sweden - and many other countries.



Another point to consider is this:

People love to play their (old) games from way back when. I think I have played the first BG games 4-5 times now during these 12 years. If this game did have either a) server activation or a constant internet requirement in order to play, I wouldn't have been able to play this wonderfull game today.



Also, there could be a possible third problem with constant internet activation: EA can (and probably will) retire online features with a 30 days notice on ea.com . If Mass Effetc 3 (and that's still a big if, but bear with me here) requires you to always be connected to the internet, could this then be seen as an online feature?



I prophesize (make a qualified guess) that either Steam, Gamersgate or DLdownloader will see huge flocks of pc gamers visiting these sites to get their (buy their) pc games. Or make a shift to consoles.

As it stands, I won't be buying any games (single player games) that require a permanent internet connection; I have far too many very good old games that I want to play.

[uzivatel]

Tankfriend wrote...

Let's make an analogy (I know they're hated and not always fitting but that's what I do now anyway):
You buy a car and spend some additional money on extras (seat warmers or whatever comes to your mind).
Someone else also buys the same car but stays with the basic variant.

Let's say the motor of that car model is prone to breakdown and indeed it does break down for both you, the other guy and a lot of other persons. The manufacturer offers a replacement motor for free and a little bit of money on top for the inconvenience.
Now, are you trying to tell me that the manufacturer has to pay you more money for the exact same problem than all the other people simply because you spent additional money on extras that had nothing whatsoever to do with the actual problem?

I doubt you would argue, if you had Audi TT and the other guy Škoda Octavia, even though both cars are based on the same Volkswagen platform.

[DanaScu]

Eurypterid wrote...

It's unfortunate fact that (for me) I want to find out what kind of protection scheme is on a game before I buy it. Having been burned by DRM schemes before, I no longer  buy any games that have a scheme that I will not accept. (No, I don't pirate, nor do I wait for a crack and then buy. It's just off my list completely). In light of what Ubi and EA have come out with on recent titles, it seems that DRM is getting more and more restrictive and worse for the
end-user.  So no, I don't think it's ludicrous to be concerned about what type of DRM may be on an upcoming title - especially one that's in a series you really want to play.

Yes, This.

I cancelled my pre-order for MEpc because of the drm. I didn't buy the game because of the drm. I won't buy a game that comes with restrictions that won't allow me to play at some future point in time. I don't want a game that installs programs without my permission that requires yet another program to get rid of. I waited to see what they were doing with DA and ME2, considering what EA did with MEpc. I won't pirate a game, and will not use a crack. I just won't buy it.

I'm still wondering whether to believe the GM or a random "spokesperson" regarding the latest "EA says" then "No, that isn't what we said", announcement and retraction, with a little confusing clarification in the middle.

Modifié par DanaScu, 28 mars 2010 - 09:17 .

[Arlind Webb]

I will still buy it. I always have an internet connection up so that's no problem for me. For anyone that has played a MMO this shouldn't be an issue either.

[Mavkiel]

Arlind Webb wrote...

I will still buy it. I always have an internet connection up so that's no problem for me. For anyone that has played a MMO this shouldn't be an issue either.

So your actually saying that people who have played a mmo should put up with potential connection woes for a single player game? Seems kind of silly to me.

[Bigeyez]

mrfoo1 wrote...

@aries1001:
*snip*  Maybe even Microsoft expanding the XBL to PC's in some way to offer the same services.

Microsoft already tried that. It's called Games for Windows Live and is essentially Xbox Live for Windows. You can even link your XBL gamertag and get gamerpoints for playing PC games. It was pretty much a failure and hated by PC gamers (including me) becuase it's a clunky system, slows down a lot of games/systems and since it works like XBL if for whatever reason your booted out of your gamertag account the games will kick you back to the main menu. Saved games are also only accesible while logged into your gamertag when using Games for Windows Live.

Modifié par Bigeyez, 28 mars 2010 - 09:49 .

[DanaScu]

Arlind Webb wrote...

I will still buy it. I always have an internet connection up so that's no problem for me. For anyone that has played a MMO this shouldn't be an issue either.

It isn't so much the mmo players that are having a problem with this. Its the people who play single player off-line games. If I was playing a mmo then I wouldn't have a problem with it; I understand that I have to be online to play. I do have a problem with being forced to be online to play my single player off-line game. I live in PA; we recently had an extremely heavy snowfall, as in widespread power outages and cable service interruptions and phone problems. Once my electricity was restored, I had no problem playing my games [my workplace shut down for 4 days], even though the cable and the phone service took a little longer to restore than the power. Wouldn't have been possible with "YOU MUST BE ONLINE TO PLAY" drm restrictions.

Modifié par DanaScu, 28 mars 2010 - 10:38 .

[Tankfriend]

uzivatel wrote...
I doubt you would argue, if you had Audi TT and the other guy Škoda Octavia, even though both cars are based on the same Volkswagen platform.

Well, you're right, I wouldn't argue that - mainly because while the two car models might share the basic platform, they are still vastly different in about every other aspect like size, optical design, equipment, purpose etc. etc.
That's a marked difference to having two people buying the exact same car with one of them buying some better seats or something.

[Cousland001]

changing KOTOR to a internet game ruined the whole series for me. And I was looking forward to KOTOR 3.
Dont let them ruin Mass Effect!

Modifié par Cousland001, 28 mars 2010 - 10:12 .

[Bigeyez]

Cousland001 wrote...

it was the DRM that ruined knights of the old republic

What? It's been a long time, but I don't remember KotOR 1 or 2 having any sort of DRM...

[uzivatel]

Tankfriend wrote...

Well, you're right, I wouldn't argue that - mainly because while the two car models might share the basic platform, they are still vastly different in about every other aspect like size, optical design, equipment, purpose etc. etc.
That's a marked difference to having two people buying the exact same car with one of them buying some better seats or something.

Other than the game disc, those ACII versions are vastly different as well. 

[Tankfriend]

uzivatel wrote...Other than the game disc, those ACII versions are vastly different as well. 

The scale is totally different, though. There is a huge difference in whether you compare an Audi TT to a Scoda Octavia (completely different apart from the absolutely most basic thing) or an Audi TT in basic variant to an Audi TT in luxury variant (identical apart from some extra bits here and there).
The former comparison would be something like comparing AC2 to Shaun
White Snowboarding just because they're using the same graphics engine.
The latter comparison is what you can do with AC2 in standard and special editions. Apart from the extra content, both versions are exactly the same.

[MadCat221]

Seriously, EA, I thought you learned your lesson after the Spore debacle about draconian DRM?

[Solmenir]

I don't really understand companies making such copy protections. Nowadays, almost everyone have fast internet connections. Almost everyone knows at least one site where he/she can download cracked games. So basically, if people want to get it pirated for free, they can bloody do it anytime. And now with these new "copy protections", these companies give more and more hassle to the people who actually *bought* the game. The paying customers, the people who contribute. While the others just simply crack the game, and play it. And please, say *one* single player game with a non-crackable copy protection. Just one.

Modifié par Solmenir, 28 mars 2010 - 10:54 .

[uzivatel]

Tankfriend wrote...

(completely different apart from the absolutely most basic thing)

I think you would be surprised how similar most Volkswagen cars actually are.
Its like the they are selling many variants of 4 cars. 

[Wolverfrog]

Ah, the many joys of an Xbox.

Sorry, I'm just used to you PC gamers gloating over us.

[hawat333]

If this happens... well, I'll buy the game. Then use an unofficial exe file to run it.

In fact I use this method a lot. It helps protecting the original physical disc, etc.

But it would be a major dissapointment,

[xDarkicex]

Mavkiel wrote...

Arlind Webb wrote...

I will still buy it. I always have an internet connection up so that's no problem for me. For anyone that has played a MMO this shouldn't be an issue either.

So your actually saying that people who have played a mmo should put up with potential connection woes for a single player game? Seems kind of silly to me.

Yeah I say F the game pirates, if their where not some many pirates maybe PC gamers would still get DLC free like it should be, stopping them is the only way to save PC game to many Devs are just saying screw it and only making Console games

[ThePasserby]

Jax Sparrow wrote...

@ ThePasserby :  What about my post suggested I was worked up?  I am shocked yes... worked up?  not so much.  Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion... as am I.  I believe this whole thread is quiet similar to making a mountain out of a mole hill.  But hey! that is just my opinion.  

If you think I have wronged you about being worked up, might it be possible that you have wronged everyone else in this thread too when you accused them of the same thing?

Feel free to express your opinion on this issue of always-on connection, this is what this thread is for. Saying that people are being ludicrous for expressing displeasure is something else. The thread has been pretty civil, except for your post. The only post that holds a dismissive attitude towards others is yours. 

[CatatonicMan]

xDarkicex wrote...

Yeah I say F the game pirates, if their where not some many pirates maybe PC gamers would still get DLC free like it should be, stopping them is the only way to save PC game to many Devs are just saying screw it and only making Console games

You do realize that you can pirate console games as well, right?

[Canned Bullets]

Where's that video of some PC gamer ranting about the DRM? He said that he had to download 3rd party patches just to make his games work.

[OneBadAssMother]

Hehehahaha



Hitler gets AC2 on PC:





lol

[Axeface]

I'll still buy it, I cant not. But I reserve my utter hatred for everything EA.



Die EA, die in a fire.