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[Default137]

On my first playthrough, my Warden romanced Alistair, then at the end, hardended him, and convinced him to marry Anora for the good of Ferelden, as it needed a Therin, but it also needed a strong leader if it wanted to survive. However, I also saved Loghain, as I figured the Wardens could use a man like him, and at best, he would be redeemed, at worst, I would kill him later.

All went well with that choice, and in the end, Loghain and I killed the Archdemon, and both survived due to Morrigan, and all seemed well, Alistair even seemed to accept the fact that Loghain lived, although he obviously wasn't very happy about it, he wasn't as mad as many people made him out to be.

So I got in to Awakening expecting Anora to greet me after clearing the keep, but it was Alistair, and rather then still be angry at me, he seemed to actually miss my Warden, he said he wished I was still at court so I could help him handle Anora, and that he wished we could go back to killing Darkspawn and everything. He seemed to have gotten over the whole Loghain issue, at least from what I could tell.

I was, uh, kind of confused, and at first thought it was just because my game bugged out, and Loghain wouldn't appear anymore, but Loghain also appeared later, saying he was glad to see me again, giving me the mage staff, and telling me he was about to go to Orlais.

So is this a bug, any other Loghain savers get a nice Aistair after clearing the keep? Did I find the magical ending that makes everyone alive and happy, and makes Alistair forgive our Warden for what we did regarding Loghain? Whats going on?!

[Costin_Razvan]

It quite is the ending you make it out to be I did the EXACT same thing on my female Dalish Elf.

[blademaster7]

I got that too. The guy embarrassed himself in the landsmeet and then abandoned his post as a Grey Warden right before the final battle. Now, he doesn't hate my gut anymore and he misses the "whole darkspawn killing thing".



The only difference in my game is that I fed Loghain to the archdemon. But still, there is an issue here...



It is either a bug or a continuity error.



Oh wait... Awakening is well known for having both... so take it with a pinch of salt.

[Costin_Razvan]

He might just be over it. He does state at the coronation if you and Loghain survive that he accepts you did what you had to and that Duncan would be happy the Blight is over.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mars 2010 - 09:15 .

[BlueMew]

Doesn't sound like a continuity error or a bug, I've not married him off to Anora in any of my games, but those of my friends who did say he's not as angry as when you don't harden him and hook him up with her.



Maybe marrying her makes him realize there are worse things than, LOL, feeding Loghain to the archdemon?



I wouldn't know, I have this irresistable urge to kill him every time.

[blademaster7]

Okay maybe he got over it with time. I can understand that.



But it still bugs the hell out of me because I played with two different characters and he gave me the same speech.



First one was my HN that was supposed to be his buddy and my other PC was a mage that picked Loghain over him and ended up hating my guts.

[Taritu]

Even if you don't harden him you can make him like marrying Anora. I got a +2 influence with him in my conversation where I just convinced him to marry Anora. Ask him what he wants, tell him he'd be a good king because he's brave and just, reassure him that Anora will rule while he lives, and you can make him (and Anora) think it's a good idea.



Haven't got to the Loghain part, this runthrough. I'll probably kill him myself, but then I'm a city elf and I'm going to be really annoyed with him after I run through the Alienage.

[Taritu]

blademaster7 wrote...

Okay maybe he got over it with time. I can understand that.

But it still bugs the hell out of me because I played with two different characters and he gave me the same speech.

First one was my HN that was supposed to be his buddy and my other PC was a mage that picked Loghain over him and ended up hating my guts.

Continuity is not Bioware's strong spot in Awakenings.

To understate the situation completely.  In terms of continuity, Awakenings is a piece of crap.

[TripLight]

Taritu wrote...

Even if you don't harden him you can make him like marrying Anora. I got a +2 influence with him in my conversation where I just convinced him to marry Anora. Ask him what he wants, tell him he'd be a good king because he's brave and just, reassure him that Anora will rule while he lives, and you can make him (and Anora) think it's a good idea.

Haven't got to the Loghain part, this runthrough. I'll probably kill him myself, but then I'm a city elf and I'm going to be really annoyed with him after I run through the Alienage.

I just finished my FemElfMage, so now I am going to concentrate on my CE elf, Daiya. I plan to marry off Al to Anora, spare loghain, and consecutively do the redeemer ending and DR ending.

So thanks for the info about Al, on my Elfmage playthrough I fixed if so he would marry anora, but evidently I didn't tell her I wouldn't kill her father, so she still betrayed me at the LM.

[errant_knight]

I think the flags that are imported into the game are very limited--nothing about approval levels. Basically Awakening tosses away almost everything from Origins except ruler, ritual (or not), and what relationship exists (or doesn't), with not attention to the details of that relationship.

While interesting and containing some good characters, Awakening is deeply flawed. This is just one of the ways. I've started a new playthrough of Origins, and it's looking even more awesome by comparison, in every respect.

Modifié par errant_knight, 27 mars 2010 - 10:47 .

[TheBlackBaron]

I do hope he's grown some balls and is over letting Loghain live. Even if it is a continuity error, at least it's one that benefits his character growth.

[errant_knight]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I do hope he's grown some balls and is over letting Loghain live. Even if it is a continuity error, at least it's one that benefits his character growth.

Only if one agrees with you, of course.

[Sarah1281]

Maybe Alistair's just happy that Loghain has to go to Orlais where he won't have to see him and will be miserable every second?

[SurelyForth]

Taritu wrote...

Even if you don't harden him you can make him like marrying Anora. I got a +2 influence with him in my conversation where I just convinced him to marry Anora. Ask him what he wants, tell him he'd be a good king because he's brave and just, reassure him that Anora will rule while he lives, and you can make him (and Anora) think it's a good idea.

Haven't got to the Loghain part, this runthrough. I'll probably kill him myself, but then I'm a city elf and I'm going to be really annoyed with him after I run through the Alienage.

I'm almost positive you're getting approval for being nice to him, not for arranging the marriage. If he's not hardened, he doesn't want to be king with anyone but he can be persuaded that it's a good solution to the immediate problem. 

I'm bothered by the fact that Alistair seems to treat someone who he hated at the end of Origins the same as he treats someone who ended the game at 100 Friendly. It strips away some of the impact of the Redeemer ending for me (betraying, in a sense, the man my PC loved and marrying him to another woman) and makes the camaraderie he has with other characters seem empty.

[EmperorSahlertz]

blademaster7 wrote...

I got that too. The guy embarrassed himself in the landsmeet and then abandoned his post as a Grey Warden right before the final battle. Now, he doesn't hate my gut anymore and he misses the "whole darkspawn killing thing".

The only difference in my game is that I fed Loghain to the archdemon. But still, there is an issue here...

It is either a bug or a continuity error.

Oh wait... Awakening is well known for having both... so take it with a pinch of salt.

Which continueity errors aren't a result of a bug? I didn't find a single continueity errors which couldn't be blamed on a bug.

[Sarah1281]

He could just be trying to be professional since you're not alone and when he rips into you after the Landsmeet you are and even when he's snide at the coronation you're at least semi-isolated.

[TheBlackBaron]

errant_knight wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I do hope he's grown some balls and is over letting Loghain live. Even if it is a continuity error, at least it's one that benefits his character growth.

Only if one agrees with you, of course.

I suppose.

Still, I wish that retroactively applied to Origins, I see great benefits in keeping Loghain around but I can never do it becaues I like Alistair much more.

[DragonShepard138]

So with Alistair pissed about the whole Logain thing, I guess we cant have them both on the team in Origins?

[Mlai00]

It's a continuity fudging act. If Bioware made several Alistair cutscene versions, and wanted Alistair to speak with you professionally/courteously, but carry a tinge of bitterness and coldness, then his VA is good enough to manage it.



Awakening simply isn't that hung up about DAO continuity nuances, judging from the opinions on this forum. Heck, even letters from home were cut out. It was more concerned about telling its own new story branch.

[sylvanaerie]

Taritu wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Okay maybe he got over it with time. I can understand that.

But it still bugs the hell out of me because I played with two different characters and he gave me the same speech.

First one was my HN that was supposed to be his buddy and my other PC was a mage that picked Loghain over him and ended up hating my guts.

Continuity is not Bioware's strong spot in Awakenings.

To understate the situation completely.  In terms of continuity, Awakenings is a piece of crap.

Definitely agree on that one.  Awakenings continuity was full of holes.

[Axekix]

Mlai00 wrote...

It's a continuity fudging act. If Bioware made several Alistair cutscene versions, and wanted Alistair to speak with you professionally/courteously, but carry a tinge of bitterness and coldness, then his VA is good enough to manage it.

Awakening simply isn't that hung up about DAO continuity nuances, judging from the opinions on this forum. Heck, even letters from home were cut out. It was more concerned about telling its own new story branch.

Yeah... in a lot of ways I think it just works better if you play it with an Orlesian warden than with your DA:O char.  Maybe they'll retcon it and make DA:A Orlesian canon?

[Sarah1281]

But the Orlesian playthrough has Origins end with US.

[Axekix]

That would be where the retcon comes in! They could write the DA:O warden out as being off searching for Morrigan/traveling with Leliana... or ruling with Alistair etc.

[TheBlackBaron]

Doubt it. The trailer Warden is as close as we're going to get to a "canon" and he stayed the same from Origins to Awakening. Just because there weren't cameos all over the place in Awakening doesn't mean the original Warden is invalid.

The Orlesian just seems like a stop-gap for the people in love with the Ultimate Sacrifice and don't want to handwave their character back into existence.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 28 mars 2010 - 01:37 .

[Selej]

My alistair was bitter as all hell. I spared loghain and alistair married anora and he came in at the beginnings at awakening still bitter as hell. Pretty much go, well you're on your own good luck or whatever