701 réponses à ce sujet

[Sherana]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's more than a hundred years in the future, they don't need to be testing on live humans.

In the 14th century testing on dead humans was immoral.

Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

No, I know, it isn't.

But it's the future. Who knows what'll be the morals in 100 years?

Well, given that everyone but Cerberus reacts with UTTER HORROR to what they're doing... I'm going to say relatively the same.

[Asheer_Khan]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sherana wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's more than a hundred years in the future, they don't need to be testing on live humans.

In the 14th century testing on dead humans was immoral.

Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

Fatal tests on living, NON-CONSENTING humans.  Don't forget that part.

Are you sure on this part? Have you read a copy of the contracts they sing with the Exo-Geni or SA Marine Corps? All the fine print?

Please stop whit this contract idiocy UNLESS you can post a link whit visible copy of such.

On the side note i am really shocked how many demons this game wake up in reality...  because VERY LAST thing i expected on game forum was reading stuff looking like Neo**** propaganda claiming that everything is allowed to advance pure arian (replacing by word human) race.

[Internet Kraken]

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

It can be.

Wow. I'm tolerant of a lot of thing, but I hoenstly can't believe that some people really hold such little value in human life. Tell me, would you say these expirements are justified when you are the one being subjected to them? You wouldn't oppose to Cerberus letting theresher maws kill you?

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Are you sure on this part? Have you
read a copy of the contracts they sing with the Exo-Geni or SA Marine
Corps? All the fine print?

I think it's resonable to assume that the contracts don't mention thresher maws devouring you, your family, and your friends for the sake of science.

[Sherana]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sherana wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's more than a hundred years in the future, they don't need to be testing on live humans.

In the 14th century testing on dead humans was immoral.

Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

Fatal tests on living, NON-CONSENTING humans.  Don't forget that part.

Are you sure on this part? Have you read a copy of the contracts they sing with the Exo-Geni or SA Marine Corps? All the fine print?

Please stop whit this contract idiocy UNLESS you can post a link whit visible copy of such.

On the side note i am really shocked how many demons this game wake up in reality...  because VERY LAST thing i expected on game forum was reading stuff looking like Neo**** propaganda claiming that everything is allowed to advance pure arian (replacing by word human) race.

Pretty much the same... I mean, I'd *like* to believe we're just being trolled, but I don't think *this many* people could just spontaneously decide it'd be hilarious to start pretending to be twisted caricatures of reasonable human beings.

[Sherana]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

It can be.

Wow. I'm tolerant of a lot of thing, but I hoenstly can't believe that some people really hold such little value in human life. Tell me, would you say these expirements are justified when you are the one being subjected to them? You wouldn't oppose to Cerberus letting theresher maws kill you?

In perfect fairness, it should be pointed out that tests on living humans are carried out all the time, and sometimes they ARE fatal.  It's just that the risks have been minimized, and the subjects are both consenting AND have been *informed* of all the risks.  That's an important part of it too.

[Bigdoser]

What's the point of responding to shandepared comments anymore? I just see shandepared as a troll.

[TheLostGenius]

TIM: "Cereberus isn't as evil as you think." /end thread

[Internet Kraken]

Sherana wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...



Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

It can be.

Wow. I'm tolerant of a lot of thing, but I hoenstly can't believe that some people really hold such little value in human life. Tell me, would you say these expirements are justified when you are the one being subjected to them? You wouldn't oppose to Cerberus letting theresher maws kill you?

In perfect fairness, it should be pointed out that tests on living humans are carried out all the time, and sometimes they ARE fatal. It's just that the risks have been minimized, and the subjects are both consenting AND have been *informed* of all the risks. That's an important part of it too.

I know that. For example, I recently read an article discussing the moral implications of having to test new methods of surgery on people. Despite how much they practice perfecting the method on pigs and cadavers, nothing can ultimately prepare them for the problems that will arise when they start using it on patients. It's unfortunate, but necessary to perfect the method.



Thing is, that's not nearly on the same level as letting an entire colony fall victim to a thresher maw attack. The latter is cruel, sadistic, and completley unnecessary, and I have yet to see any justification for it. It's like feeding a bunch of people to sharks.

[Sherana]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Sherana wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

It can be.

Wow. I'm tolerant of a lot of thing, but I hoenstly can't believe that some people really hold such little value in human life. Tell me, would you say these expirements are justified when you are the one being subjected to them? You wouldn't oppose to Cerberus letting theresher maws kill you?

In perfect fairness, it should be pointed out that tests on living humans are carried out all the time, and sometimes they ARE fatal. It's just that the risks have been minimized, and the subjects are both consenting AND have been *informed* of all the risks. That's an important part of it too.

I know that. For example, I recently read an article discussing the moral implications of having to test new methods of surgery on people. Despite how much they practice perfecting the method on pigs and cadavers, nothing can ultimately prepare them for the problems that will arise when they start using it on patients. It's unfortunate, but necessary to perfect the method.

Thing is, that's not nearly on the same level as letting an entire colony fall victim to a thresher maw attack. The latter is cruel, sadistic, and completley unnecessary, and I have yet to see any justification for it. It's like feeding a bunch of people to sharks.

Well, we had to have SOME way to find out how fast a school of sharks can reduce a person to bones.

In any case... congratulations, thread, you've managed to prove to me once again that no matter how low my opinion of humanity is, it can always drop further.  I'm out.  No more of this thread or I'll have to get the doctor to up my antidepressents.

[huntrrz]

Booglarize wrote...

 It seems that a few people here are arguing that being well-intentioned somehow exempts an organization from being termed 'evil' (I don't believe that Cerberus are well-intentioned either, but let's grant it for the sake of argument). I don't buy that. As far as I'm concerned, what makes you good or evil doesn't depend on how much good or evil you think you're doing (because invariably, everyone will believe they're working for some greater good), but rather, how much of what isn't yours you're willing to sacrifice to achieve it.

AWESOME.

I have thought the same thing, but I'd take a page a text to say it and not as well.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sherana wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's more than a hundred years in the future, they don't need to be testing on live humans.

In the 14th century testing on dead humans was immoral.

Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

No, I know, it isn't.

But it's the future. Who knows what'll be the morals in 100 years?

Well, given that everyone but Cerberus reacts with UTTER HORROR to what they're doing... I'm going to say relatively the same.

I'd rather say that everyone (in the game it is, not on these forums, obviously) reacts with UTTER INDIFFERENCE to what they are doing. Because everyone else is doing the same. Spectres and justicars are above the law, STG spead bioterminator cultures in the Krogan DMZ at their own discretion, Alliance sets up corsairs and warlords in the Attican Traverse, mutli-species corporations run all kinds of questionable research on Noveria, Tali's dad illegally creates sentient AI to research a way to re-enslave the Geth...

[Bigdoser]

Some people gotta realise that the test's that cerberus where conducting where not on willing participates there is a difference plus getting killed by a thresher maw and being injected with its acid I see no justifications in these brutal actions. Also there are other ways of doing these tests without threatning human lives. anyway this is my last post on this thread i had enough of it.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 28 mars 2010 - 10:16 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sherana wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's more than a hundred years in the future, they don't need to be testing on live humans.

In the 14th century testing on dead humans was immoral.

Are you really trying to suggest that preforming fatal tests on living humans is justified?

Fatal tests on living, NON-CONSENTING humans.  Don't forget that part.

Are you sure on this part? Have you read a copy of the contracts they sing with the Exo-Geni or SA Marine Corps? All the fine print?

Please stop whit this contract idiocy UNLESS you can post a link whit visible copy of such.

On the side note i am really shocked how many demons this game wake up in reality...  because VERY LAST thing i expected on game forum was reading stuff looking like Neo**** propaganda claiming that everything is allowed to advance pure arian (replacing by word human) race.

This is your thread, my liberal friend!

And don't call it an idiocy, UNLESS you can post a link with a visible copy of the Systems Alliance Legal Code, that prohibits live human experementation.

[Asheer_Khan]

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

On the side note i am really shocked how many demons this game wake up in reality...  because VERY LAST thing i expected on game forum was reading stuff looking like Neo**** propaganda claiming that everything is allowed to advance pure arian (replacing by word human) race.

It looks like you're growing up a little. I extend to you my heartfelt congratulations.

Actually for your information i live very close to one of the deadliest Grman death camps (Aushwitz-Birkenau complex) to known where lead such ideology so dont you dare to lecture me that such ideology is kewl and everything is allowed...

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I'd rather say that everyone (in the game it is, not on these forums, obviously) reacts with UTTER INDIFFERENCE to what they are doing. Because everyone else is doing the same. Spectres and justicars are above the law, STG spead bioterminator cultures in the Krogan DMZ at their own discretion, Alliance sets up corsairs and warlords in the Attican Traverse, mutli-species corporations run all kinds of questionable research on Noveria, Tali's dad illegally creates sentient AI to research a way to re-enslave the Geth...

Somebody shut this guy up before the truth comes out.

Yeah, send a turian spectre after him!

[hex23]

Shandepared wrote...

You could make that case for every organization in Mass Effect.

No other organization in the "Mass Effect" universe has such a horrible win to loss ratio. It's not even close. And even if you could make that case, so what? That just means a lot of organizations are dumb. It doesn't help Cerberus in this discussion, at all.

[Zulu_DFA]

hex23 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

You could make that case for every organization in Mass Effect.

No other organization in the "Mass Effect" universe has such a horrible win to loss ratio. It's not even close. And even if you could make that case, so what? That just means a lot of organizations are dumb. It doesn't help Cerberus in this discussion, at all.

Yes, no other organization in the Galaxy managed to mount a mission to the galactic core, and take out the entire race of the Collectors.

[GothamLord]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

You could make that case for every organization in Mass Effect.

No other organization in the "Mass Effect" universe has such a horrible win to loss ratio. It's not even close. And even if you could make that case, so what? That just means a lot of organizations are dumb. It doesn't help Cerberus in this discussion, at all.

Yes, no other organization in the Galaxy managed to mount a mission to the galactic core, and take out the entire race of the Collectors.

Dont forget bringing someone back to life that has been technically dead for two years.

Modifié par GothamLord, 28 mars 2010 - 10:47 .