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[Mcjon01]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Who are quoting Xaijin?

Well, it's a bunch of crazy wharrgarbl, so I'm guessing it came from either Zulu or Spartas.

[Xaijin]

Husky, but anyone is welcome to post a video dev diary stating destroying the CB dooms anyone; else whomever is simply talking out of the john brown hindparts.

[Arijharn]

If you're only other alternative (as you see it) is non-existence (whatever reason), then I should imagine that your interpretations of 'good' or 'evil' might change. I base this principally on the knowledge that no healthy mind willingly wishes it's own termination.

[KainrycKarr]

what is this i don't even...

[KainrycKarr]

Shandepared wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Husky, but anyone is welcome to post a video dev diary stating destroying the CB dooms anyone; else whomever is simply talking out of the john brown hindparts.

Anyone who tries to justify destroying the base is a meta-gamer.

Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. See I can do that too.

[Noxis6]

screwoffreg wrote...

lol Cerberus is no worse than any of the other special intelligence groups in the Galaxy. Just look at the STG who engineered the Genophage. That alone makes Cerberus saints in comparison.

In all of my most Paragon of Paragon playthroughs I could NEVER justify destroying the Base.  All the reasons seemed so trite.

OH NO THE SOUL OF OUR PEOPLE!!! What does that even mean?

Well one evil doesnt make another evil good and doing sick things just because others did it first is and was never a justification for anything.

As for the base given the impact of the ME1 choices I guess its a safe bet that it will have no real impact at all,as for destroying it I pretty much go with Samaras take on it TIM doesnt have the wisdom to use it actually no one else has,too I guess.

[Spartas Husky]

Goodwood wrote...

When anybody says "there is no good and no evil..." in my experience it is always followed by some self-serving so-called "alternative." And you, sir, have not disappointed -- you now join the ranks of such exalted villains as Voldemort, who said "there is no good or evil, only power, and those too weak to seek it" and various Sith Lords who prattle on about power being the ultimate arbiter.

ANd that is because me being the military as well as most my pals being spec ops, see the world for what it is.

Nobody, no military leader, no cartoon has come as close as to my reality as JAcob "the more things that need doing, the less they want to admit something needed to be done"

And my favorite" people dont need to know how fragile the system is or how close the bad guys can get to them"

Can't believe this topic has gone this far. But Sith are right or Cassius, Cicero, ancient mathmatician archimedes.

There is no good or evil, just the means by which you assure the survival of those closest to you and yourself.

ANd

Goodwood wrote...
"there is no good or evil, only power, and those too weak to seek it"

You can squirm, you can cry, you can even try to debate it.

Doesn't change the fact that sentence is true, period. Whether you accept it or not, is not an issue, it will remains always so.

nevertheless I would change the end of the quote:

"there is no good or evil, only power, and those bold enough to seek it"

Everyone can get what they want, is a matter of how long will you go to obtain it.

Is funny to see references to movies though.
But going with star wars
stuff. Remember why the Sith weren't detected by the Jedi. Coz the Jedi
decided to get involve, figure they could save countless more than if
they had just watched problems from afar and hope for a quick end.


My whole point is, NOBODY IS A SAINT, and NOBODY is the devil....unless of course they kill or destroy just for the hell of it....in which case that is a fanatic, or a crazy person lol. ANyways Sitting from afar behind a desktop is easy to see the line dividing, good and evil. When you get close up to that line, you dont see a line anymore, just every individual situation coming at you, and you gota solve them.


Like the Collector base. Two ways. Destroying it means, you deny Cerberus great amount of weapons, which if the war is won it can be used to terrorise non humans.

If you give the base to cerberus, you enable humanity to dominate and with cerberus controlling the weapons industry for...a longggg time, more likely subjugating any non human.

Now had I know EDI was mining their data bases before the end of the game I would not have spent 15 minutes thinking whether or not to blow the damn base lol.

After I saw joker handing me info on the reapers, I was very much reliefed.


Nobody is to be trusted, everyone is always looking after themselves or their loved ones. ANd thus anybody acting as a judge is clear being hypocritical.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 29 mars 2010 - 09:33 .

[Mcjon01]

Shandepared wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Husky, but anyone is welcome to post a video dev diary stating destroying the CB dooms anyone; else whomever is simply talking out of the john brown hindparts.

Anyone who tries to justify destroying the base is a meta-gamer.

Or I just spent too much time listening to and agreeing with Legion.  It has nothing to do with the atrocities that occurred in the base, and everything to do with allowing mankind to build its own future.  Assuming that Legion is right, then that future lies along the same path that the Reapers took, except since mankind is objectively better than some race of space squids, the machine-gods we end up as will be more awesome than the Reapers ever were.

Besides, I thought you'd be for destroying the base, since without Collector technology, the only feasible path to victory is humanity using aliens at meat shields, then rushing in and taking out the Reapers after they've punched themselves into exhaustion.

[Spartas Husky]

Mcjon01 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Husky, but anyone is welcome to post a video dev diary stating destroying the CB dooms anyone; else whomever is simply talking out of the john brown hindparts.

Anyone who tries to justify destroying the base is a meta-gamer.

Or I just spent too much time listening to and agreeing with Legion.  It has nothing to do with the atrocities that occurred in the base, and everything to do with allowing mankind to build its own future.  Assuming that Legion is right, then that future lies along the same path that the Reapers took, except since mankind is objectively better than some race of space squids, the machine-gods we end up as will be more awesome than the Reapers ever were.

Besides, I thought you'd be for destroying the base, since without Collector technology, the only feasible path to victory is humanity using aliens at meat shields, then rushing in and taking out the Reapers after they've punched themselves into exhaustion.

Thank you. The main reason why I saved the base, was coz, what is the point of saving it, if most likely we'll ednd up reforming humans as reapers?? and to sustain ourselves we need the galaxy as our local farm house lol.

The point of winning a war, is to preserve as much life, including aliens. Not saving the base so that after the war, humans become the new reapers lol.

Well we are already in a small scale, but I rather we dont grow beyond small scale, deforastation, genocide, and so forth. Is bad enough as it is.

[Mcjon01]

Shandepared wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

Or I just spent too much time listening to and agreeing with Legion.

Which makes you a fool.

Man, you want humans to dominate the galaxy, I want humans to dominate the galaxy as monstrous machine gods.  Are we really so different, you and I?

[Spartas Husky]

Mcjon01 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...

Or I just spent too much time listening to and agreeing with Legion.

Which makes you a fool.

Man, you want humans to dominate the galaxy, I want humans to dominate the galaxy as monstrous machine gods.  Are we really so different, you and I?

hahahaha, there you go.

I want as many individuals to survive, you want humans as god like machines, there we go, simple enough

[Arijharn]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Well we are already in a small scale, but I rather we dont grow beyond small scale, deforastation, genocide, and so forth. Is bad enough as it is.

Um I wouldn't really call 'genocide' to be 'small scale.'

[Asheer_Khan]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Looking at the Collector Base decision and not using a meta-gamer perspective, I would say that the possible recovery of technology and intel and also insights as to possible weaknesses that we can exploit concerning the Reapers would be worth saving the base considering the dire circumstances involving the Reaper threat.

NO.

That's exacly what reapers expect from everyone who get in touch whit thier technology.
IF more advanced Protean scientists were able to "discover" very shallow informations about reapers origin then how could humans be able to "disect" that tech to level of potential usage against reapers (except of course well known "humans can beat everybody" hollywood nonsense)?

Somehow i start to afraid that ME 3 will go in ID4 way and entire potential for really non hollywood canon story introduced by ME 1 will be again wasted in trivial end of the series...

[Arijharn]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Looking at the Collector Base decision and not using a meta-gamer perspective, I would say that the possible recovery of technology and intel and also insights as to possible weaknesses that we can exploit concerning the Reapers would be worth saving the base considering the dire circumstances involving the Reaper threat.

NO.

That's exacly what reapers expect from everyone who get in touch whit thier technology.
IF more advanced Protean scientists were able to "discover" very shallow informations about reapers origin then how could humans be able to "disect" that tech to level of potential usage against reapers (except of course well known "humans can beat everybody" hollywood nonsense)?

Somehow i start to afraid that ME 3 will go in ID4 way and entire potential for really non hollywood canon story introduced by ME 1 will be again wasted in trivial end of the series...

You're assuming that humans are stupider than the Protheans. True; humanity (and galactic civilisation) has learnt from Protheans, but that doesn't make humanity intrinsically less capable than them.

In terms of the ending of ME3 though, I would be greatly greatly disappointed if when we beat Harbinger all the other Reapers spontaneously explode in sympathy at the exact same time.