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[Andorfiend]

AntiChri5 wrote...

My point is that you are misreading Cerberus. They do not want to make humanity strong. They want to make Cerberus dominant.

Fixed it for you.

Spartus Husky wrote...
For example. The fact that you have freedom of speech means somebody else in the world, doesn't. Simple as that.

Did that makes sense to you when you wrote it? Because to me it makes about as much sense as "The fact that you have gravity means that someone else in the world doesn't. Simple as that."

Morals, freedoms, ethics, technologies, honor, horror, ugliness, lies, honesty - These things are not a zero sum game.

Modifié par Andorfiend, 30 mars 2010 - 04:38 .

[Spartas Husky]

lol Everything I been saying is one simple sentence.



Nobody can judge anyone.

[Destructo-Bot]

And I used to wonder how some of the more terrible things in history had come to pass...

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 30 mars 2010 - 05:36 .

[Destructo-Bot]

Greatness doesn't come from squashing another man under your boots. That way lies madness.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 30 mars 2010 - 05:50 .

[Mallissin]

Greatness doesn't come from being squashed either!

[Zulu_DFA]

Mallissin wrote...

Greatness doesn't come from being squashed either!

Unless you get squashed in some grandiose manner. That'll make you a great squashed... well... whatever you have been.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 mars 2010 - 05:57 .

[GothamLord]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Greatness doesn't come from squashing another man under your boots. That way lies madness.

...and messy boots to clean.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Greatness doesn't come from squashing another man under your boots.

Of-course not. Once you've squashed him you still need to develop your land.

That's why you normally don't squash him at all. You just threaten to squash him, then make him your lackey, and get your land developed for you by him.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 mars 2010 - 06:28 .

[Arijharn]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Greatness doesn't come from squashing another man under your boots. That way lies madness.

Really? Who do you think would be the world superpowers if WW2 ended differently? Who do you think would dictate who drew the maps and sectioned off countries? The 'have's' and 'have nots'?

Seemingly all the 1st world countries are first world countries because they executed military strategy to assure themselves dominance. Maybe that wasn't their intention, but the 'facts lie with me.'

As bailey says: 'That's a nice ideal Shephard.'

[Destructo-Bot]

Yea, self-defense isn't "squashing another man under your boots". That's STOPPING another man from squashing you under his boots. If Hitler rolls a couple of tanks down your streets and kills 12 million people, its OK to shoot at ze Germans.

I really hope the distinction isn't as lost as it appears to be on some of you. I contend that the world would be in much better shape today if we had more cooperation in the past and less conflict. Germany was crushed economically after WW1 instead of being rebuilt by the winners, and rallied around Hitler, which directly instigated the much worse WW2. Second time around the allies rebuilt Germany and today it is a productive member of the world community.

Squashing Germany resulted in Germany returning the squashing to the tune of TENS of MILLIONS of lives lost. This has been repeated over and over throughout history, the World Wars just happen to be the most recent and dramatic example.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 30 mars 2010 - 06:43 .

[Arijharn]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Yea, self-defense isn't "squashing another man under your boots". That's STOPPING another man from squashing you under his boots. If Hitler rolls a couple of tanks down your streets and kills 12 million people, its OK to shoot at ze Germans.

I really hope the distinction isn't as lost as it appears to be on some of you. I contend that the world would be in much better shape today if we had more cooperation in the past and less conflict. Germany was crushed economically after WW1 instead of being rebuilt by the winners, and rallied around Hitler, which directly instigated the much worse WW2. Second time around the allies rebuilt Germany and today it is a productive member of the world community.

Squashing Germany resulting in Germany returning the squashing to the tune of TENS of MILLIONS of lives lost. This has been repeated over and over throughout history, the World Wars just happen to be the most recent and dramatic example.

What I said in jest before I say in all seriousness now. Grow up.

I am obviously a child because I disagree with you. Yes, I would like peace, yes ww1 should of ended differently with financial support, but that's the benefit of hindsight of course.

But this is the real world, and if past events are anything to go by, if you want something then you have to work towards it. International politics isn't about trust, it's about mutual advantage. If mutual advantage builds friendship, then that is ideal but I would argue that isn't necessarily what people go for.

For example, I don't think America would have nearly as much respect as it does if it did not have the military might it has behind it. Thinking otherwise I feel is naive. It could be argued that America's entire foreign policy automatically skews people's views on all Americans into the negative (which is a stupid conclusion to make imo)

[Zulu_DFA]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Yea, self-defense isn't "squashing another man under your boots". That's STOPPING another man from squashing you under his boots. If Hitler rolls a couple of tanks down your streets and kills 12 million people, its OK to shoot at ze Germans.

I really hope the distinction isn't as lost as it appears to be on some of you. I contend that the world would be in much better shape today if we had more cooperation in the past and less conflict. Germany was crushed economically after WW1 instead of being rebuilt by the winners, and rallied around Hitler, which directly instigated the much worse WW2. Second time around the allies rebuilt Germany and today it is a productive member of the world community.

Squashing Germany resulted in Germany returning the squashing to the tune of TENS of MILLIONS of lives lost. This has been repeated over and over throughout history, the World Wars just happen to be the most recent and dramatic example.

"On another note I suggest that Carthage must be destroyed," said Mark Cato Sr. at the end of every speech in the Ancient Roman Senate.

And Carthage was razed. Burnt to the ground, and the charred soil was covered with salt, and every male citizen of Carthage was put to the sword and every female and slave (re)sold to slavery. If that hadn't been done, what do you think this building would have looked like?



This is called "history".

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 mars 2010 - 06:59 .

[Mallissin]

Zulu, that's a 10 MB JPEG of the capital building that you just made us all download.

[Zulu_DFA]

Mallissin wrote...

Zulu, that's a 10 MB JPEG of the capital building that you just made us all download.

Put it on your desktop.

[Arijharn]

Dear god I hope nobody quotes you with that picture

[Mcjon01]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Yea, self-defense isn't "squashing another man under your boots". That's STOPPING another man from squashing you under his boots. If Hitler rolls a couple of tanks down your streets and kills 12 million people, its OK to shoot at ze Germans.

I really hope the distinction isn't as lost as it appears to be on some of you. I contend that the world would be in much better shape today if we had more cooperation in the past and less conflict. Germany was crushed economically after WW1 instead of being rebuilt by the winners, and rallied around Hitler, which directly instigated the much worse WW2. Second time around the allies rebuilt Germany and today it is a productive member of the world community.

Squashing Germany resulted in Germany returning the squashing to the tune of TENS of MILLIONS of lives lost. This has been repeated over and over throughout history, the World Wars just happen to be the most recent and dramatic example.

"On another note I suggest that Carthage must be destroyed," said Mark Cato Sr. at the end of every speech in the Ancient Roman Senate.

And Carthage was razed. Burnt to the ground, and the charred soil was covered with salt, and every male citizen of Carthage was put to the sword and every female and slave (re)sold to slavery. If that hadn't been done, what do you think this building would have looked like?

I wish I could answer that question.  Mostly because it would mean I've invented hypercomputation and am now capable perfectly simulating reality.  In which case, screw using it to solve people's political quibbles, I'm uploading.

(And they didn't salt the earth, they turned it into a huge swath of farmland that was vital for supporting the empire.  Because while they might have been brutal, the Romans also weren't dumb as a sack of rocks.)

[Spartas Husky]

Actually, that was later on when the re-population of carthagage took place. First they were more concerned to getting rid of carthage at that moment and they did salt the nearby lands as to assure carthage cold not recover for a longgggg time.

The reason behind it, they had another enemy to the east who aided carthage, and that was the balkan peninsula, so after carthage was dealt with the Romans didn't want to risk Some sort of insurrection while they dealt with the Macedonians and some greek cities, so best way was to cut of the food supply.


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This isn't madness IS REALITY!!!! hahahaha, had to, just had to.

The USA.... Soviets...The british Empire...Napoleon(french empire)...Charlamagne(french empire)...Barbarossa(holy roman empire)...Julianus(late roman empire)...Augustus(early roman empire)... Gaius Julius Caesar(late republic)...Gaius Marius(roman republic)...Scippio Africanus(republic)....greeks, macedonias.....Persians....Judian kingdoms...Egyptians.......Mayans....god list goes on.

The survival of your people is assured by the acquired resources from another group of people...whether is financial, agricultural, or ideaological resources.

Every species, even animals revolve around the same principle. Your pack is your priority, every one else's is a competitor for glory/power/money/land/food/survival.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 30 mars 2010 - 07:27 .

[Arijharn]

I reckon, they would of used the Great Library of Alexandria as a model...

[Spartas Husky]

Arijharn wrote...

I reckon, they would of used the Great Library of Alexandria as a model...

DUno about that, Carthaginian Architecture heavily resembled Ionian architecture.

Egypt was diff....can't point to a specific style.

[Zulu_DFA]

Mcjon01 wrote...
And they didn't salt the earth, they turned it into a huge swath of farmland that was vital for supporting the empire.  Because while they might have been brutal, the Romans also weren't dumb as a sack of rocks.

They salted it. And to this day guides in Tunisia show tourists a several acre spot of rocky infertile land, where the ancient Carthage allegedly stood. At that point there was no Empire. And all the bread Italy needed was produced in Sicily. In a hundred years, yes, the entire province of Africa was turned into a farmland, that boosted Italy's population and allowed for creation of massive legionary army, that conquered half the known world. For that, Carthage had had to be destroyed.

[Spartas Husky]

Which ensured we inherited , what we call today law regarding property, marriage, offsprings, murder....hell to sum it up most of the western world Law books are based on Roman ideals. And no I dont mean religious or otherwise, I am talking strictly financial.

[Arijharn]

I do like however that the arabic nation's had the sense to not only 'invent' the concept of a zero, but also numerals.

[Zulu_DFA]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Which ensured we inherited , what we call today law regarding property, marriage, offsprings, murder....hell to sum it up most of the western world Law books are based on Roman ideals. And no I dont mean religious or otherwise, I am talking strictly financial.

So, we're a sort of ... Roman-Reaper!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!