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[RyrineaNara]

So just because I like Kaidan, and Ashley you don't care what I think. I'd bet your're a Tailmance. 

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 27 mars 2010 - 11:23 .

[Mcjon01]

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

It's not a baseless one. If he did lead to some really big discovery, why wouldn't the scientist have mentioned this?

He didn't want to admit to being part of the experiments or part of Cerberus in the first place. classified information, you know?

Basically this, except less "classified" and more "horribly illegal".  Same reasoning as to why nothing coming from the project would be made public, though.

Not that I think these particular experiments were justifiable in any way, mind you, just that can see why the scientists involved would be less than willing to come forward with their findings, if indeed there were any.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

RyrineaNara wrote...

So just because I like Kaidan, and Ashley you don't care what I think. I'd bet your a Tailmancer

I bet you have questionable taste when it comes to almost everything.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 27 mars 2010 - 11:44 .

[kraidy1117]

RyrineaNara wrote...

So just because I like Kaidan, and Ashley you don't care what I think. I'd bet your're a Tailmance. 

No, it's you refuse to beleive that cells go rouge and state that TIm allowed kids getting abused and such. That is contradicted by logs and that email. If you don't want to beleive that, its your own fault.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 27 mars 2010 - 11:26 .

[RyrineaNara]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

So just because I like Kaidan, and Ashley you don't care what I think. I'd bet your a Tailmancer

I bet you have questionable taste when it comes to almost everything.

Not really, because I actully repsect other characters to get too know them.

[RyrineaNara]

He didn't say what they won't tell the Tim. That doesn't mean they went rouge. Yes I do see that things can go rouge it just I actually listen to the dialog.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 27 mars 2010 - 11:29 .

[hazarkazra]

RyrineaNara wrote...

I'm sorry Cerberus works in cells that are all controlled by The Illusive man. He ordered people to torture Children, anyone who tries to hurt children are monsters in my opinion. I don't buy oh the cell went rouge crap they spewed through out the game.

There is a good change Illusive Man is feeding you whatever he feels like, but the thread is about the reaction of Kelly and the likes. They hardly hold an executive position in the organisation making their knowledge about Cerberus as an organisation as a whole limited. They probably only saw the orphanage build with Cerberus money and ofcourse your revival. This makes them naive but not evil terrorists.

Miranda has been brought to Cerberus in an early age and even before that her dad wasn't actually a paragon. No matter how 'experienced' she acts she is very gullible of Illusive Man because of a long sheltered life. Only the exposure to someone like Shepard made her see the Illusive Man in a different light.

And the Alliance has some darker moments in it's history aswell. For example, their funding of criminal syndicates and warlords in the Outer Rim to stabilise the region and keep Batarians out.

Modifié par hazarkazra, 27 mars 2010 - 11:29 .

[Mikeypage]

Frankly, after having read Ascension, and seeing what cerberus did to the quarian migrant fleet, i really have no support for them whatsoever anymore. sure there are good people in cerberus (Gabby, Ken, Jacob etc) but i can't look past the unnecessary violence cerberus is reknowned for.

[kraidy1117]

RyrineaNara wrote...

He didn't say what they won't tell the Tim. That doesn't mean they went rouge.

Great you sound like Jack now. It went rouge, TIm might be a madman but he did not indorse what happen to Jack. Soon as the damage was made clear, he closed down the project and tried to get Jack back. You can argue why he wanted her back, but I think he wanted her back because she is too dangerous and that proves to be true.

[kraidy1117]

Mikeypage wrote...

Frankly, after having read Ascension, and seeing what cerberus did to the quarian migrant fleet, i really have no support for them whatsoever anymore. sure there are good people in cerberus (Gabby, Ken, Jacob etc) but i can't look past the unnecessary violence cerberus is reknowned for.

Um to be fair, Gillian, which was a heavy Cerberus investment was on there and  TIm did not order a huge attack on the fleet. The plan was to get her back, some people die, but it was Gollo who turned it into a bloodbath because he wanted to destory the fleet.

[RyrineaNara]

The frotilla incedent is something I would call terroism.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 27 mars 2010 - 11:36 .

[kraidy1117]

Shandepared wrote...

Mikeypage wrote...

Frankly, after having read Ascension, and seeing what cerberus did to the quarian migrant fleet, i really have no support for them whatsoever anymore. sure there are good people in cerberus (Gabby, Ken, Jacob etc) but i can't look past the unnecessary violence cerberus is reknowned for.

My only gripe with that is trying to blow up the Idenna. Everything else they did was completely justified from a strategic standpoint. However trying to kill everyone on the ship was sadistic.

That was Golos plan, not Cerberus, if Golo did not come along, it would not have been bad.

[Mikeypage]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Mikeypage wrote...

Frankly, after having read Ascension, and seeing what cerberus did to the quarian migrant fleet, i really have no support for them whatsoever anymore. sure there are good people in cerberus (Gabby, Ken, Jacob etc) but i can't look past the unnecessary violence cerberus is reknowned for.

My only gripe with that is trying to blow up the Idenna. Everything else they did was completely justified from a strategic standpoint. However trying to kill everyone on the ship was sadistic.

That was Golos plan, not Cerberus, if Golo did not come along, it would not have been bad.

I'm fairly sure cerberus were aware of the explosives aboard the cyniad and agreed to detonating them as a distraction for which to make their escape?

[kraidy1117]

RyrineaNara wrote...

The frotilla incedent is something I would call terroism.

Did you read the book. Gillian which is a Cerberus investment is on the fleet, Cerberus had no choice but to attack, and it was sussposed to be quick and less death, but Golo came along and turned it into a bloodbath. He wanted to destory the fleet, not Cerberus.

[kraidy1117]

Mikeypage wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Mikeypage wrote...

Frankly, after having read Ascension, and seeing what cerberus did to the quarian migrant fleet, i really have no support for them whatsoever anymore. sure there are good people in cerberus (Gabby, Ken, Jacob etc) but i can't look past the unnecessary violence cerberus is reknowned for.

My only gripe with that is trying to blow up the Idenna. Everything else they did was completely justified from a strategic standpoint. However trying to kill everyone on the ship was sadistic.

That was Golos plan, not Cerberus, if Golo did not come along, it would not have been bad.

I'm fairly sure cerberus were aware of the explosives aboard the cyniad and agreed to detonating them as a distraction for which to make their escape?

Theres a diffrence between distraction and destorying the fleet. Once Gollo got into the fleet he wanted to destory it all. That was not Cerberus plan.

[Mikeypage]

kraidy1117 wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

The frotilla incedent is something I would call terroism.

Did you read the book. Gillian which is a Cerberus investment is on the fleet, Cerberus had no choice but to attack, and it was sussposed to be quick and less death, but Golo came along and turned it into a bloodbath. He wanted to destory the fleet, not Cerberus.

That doesnt justify what they did. What would happen if a band of elite quarians came to earth, killed at least 20 marines, just to retrieve a young quarian who was perfectly safe, and living a happier life? There would be outrage. cerberus forcibly entered the quarians flotilla (to them their homeworld) and killed them on their on "soil" just to protect an investment.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Weskerr wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Anyone completely lose it when they heard Kelly say "Cerberus' methods are extreme, but they have noble objectives"?

I felt like there should have been a dialogue option with something along the lines of:

-mentioning rachni experiments
-turning two colonies into Thorian creepers and husks
-two occasions of using thresher maws against a squad of marines (one of which Sole Survivor Shepard was involved with)
-killing Khahoku
-more rachni experiments

She says that line with a straight face that made me want to yell, "Get the f*ck out of here!"

There are plenty of other times when Shepard should say something, but doesn't have the option to, like right after Shepard, Jacob, and Miranda escape the Project Lazarus Faciility in that small FTL vehicle. Jacob says something like "Soldiers under your command died on Akuze in a Thresher Maw attack. Must have been hard for you." The fact that Cerberus is responsible for that is not available as a response in Shepard's dialogue wheel.

And that pisses so many people off so much every time they play that part. Myself included. <_<

[Mikeypage]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Mikeypage wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Mikeypage wrote...

Frankly, after having read Ascension, and seeing what cerberus did to the quarian migrant fleet, i really have no support for them whatsoever anymore. sure there are good people in cerberus (Gabby, Ken, Jacob etc) but i can't look past the unnecessary violence cerberus is reknowned for.

My only gripe with that is trying to blow up the Idenna. Everything else they did was completely justified from a strategic standpoint. However trying to kill everyone on the ship was sadistic.

That was Golos plan, not Cerberus, if Golo did not come along, it would not have been bad.

I'm fairly sure cerberus were aware of the explosives aboard the cyniad and agreed to detonating them as a distraction for which to make their escape?

Theres a diffrence between distraction and destorying the fleet. Once Gollo got into the fleet he wanted to destory it all. That was not Cerberus plan.

The explosion would have destroyed the idenna, costing the lives of 700 quarians. That is an unjustified massacre.

[Qwepir]

SimonTheFrog wrote...
Dr. Chakwas

Stayed to care for Joker

SimonTheFrog wrote...
Ken

Joined to kick the Collectors right in the daddy-bags

SimonTheFrog wrote...
and Gabby

Joined to stay with Ken

[Bucky_McLachlan]

RyrineaNara wrote...

The frotilla incedent is something I would call terroism.

First off we never hear any details about what happened, much less actually witness it.

Second, if you don't  like Cerberus, that's fine, but you should STFU about how they're just evil terrorists because they're never really portrayed as terrorists.

You see terrorist isn't just a buzzword for any enemy who commits acts that you view as immoral, terrorism is a very specific type of violence that is used to meet very specific goals. We never see Cerberus using fear as a weapon, that's what terrorists do.

Fact is Mr. "I actually pay attention and read the dialogue balbhalbhalbah" that whole thing about them being terrorists...that was actually invented in ME2 and it comes from two sources: Jacob mentions that Cerberus has a reputation for being terrorists, and their backstory which you can read it in their codex entry) mentions briefly that some terrorist suspects were caught and they claimed to be working for an organization called Cerberus.

Whatever the case is...it isn't like Cerberus was retconned to be some happy peace loving group of carebear loving hippies this is why Kelly goes into talking about how "Their methods are extreme..." because Cerberus believes the ends justify the means.

It's totally your choice by the end of the game to decide if you trust/want to help Cerberus or not, in fact the Paragon path results in not only you telling TIM to go f*ck himself, but Miranda and Jacob leaving Cerberus as well.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 27 mars 2010 - 11:54 .