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[kraidy1117]

Mikeypage wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

The frotilla incedent is something I would call terroism.

Did you read the book. Gillian which is a Cerberus investment is on the fleet, Cerberus had no choice but to attack, and it was sussposed to be quick and less death, but Golo came along and turned it into a bloodbath. He wanted to destory the fleet, not Cerberus.

That doesnt justify what they did. What would happen if a band of elite quarians came to earth, killed at least 20 marines, just to retrieve a young quarian who was perfectly safe, and living a happier life? There would be outrage. cerberus forcibly entered the quarians flotilla (to them their homeworld) and killed them on their on "soil" just to protect an investment.

Depends if that Quarian was a very expansive invesment. Gillian cost TIM ALOT of money and alot of time. They needed to get her back, if Golo did not come with Cerberus it would have played out alot diffrent. TIM was betrayed by two of his best operives and lost one of his biggest investments because of this affair and Golos selfish revenage. I feel sorry for Paul.

[RyrineaNara]

They are portrayed as Terrorist through out the game even the council thinks they are terrorist. I will call them what I see fit, and they have been portrayed as terrorist. Ie they work in cells, they blew up the a ship in the Flotilla, the did experiments they killed a Alliance General they killed political leaders they don't like. I would define them as terrorist.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 27 mars 2010 - 11:54 .

[Mikeypage]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

The frotilla incedent is something I would call terroism.

First off we never hear any details about what happened, much less actually witness it.

Actually if you read ascension, you hear ALOT of details about what happened. And who witnessed it.

[kraidy1117]

RyrineaNara wrote...

They are portrayed as Terrorist through out the game even the council thinks they are terrorist.

And the council think the Reapers are not real and Shepard is crazy.

[Weiser_Cain]

I wanted to get away from Cerberus the whole game. There should have been a way to get off that ship when you went to the council!

[RyrineaNara]

The only problem with that is there was no evidence to say the REAPERS were real. The council is in a position to judge people, since they are the political power of Citadel space.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 27 mars 2010 - 11:59 .

[DPSSOC]

Internet Kraken wrote...

If there had been any evidence that anything productive had come from this then maybe my opinion would be different. But as it stands now, it looks like Cerberus did this just because they could. And Toombs being a lunatic might have had something to do with the Cerberus scientists killing his whole squad and then spending the next few years torturing him. Again, no justification for any of this beyond "because we can". If this is Cerberus's business policy, then Cerberus is bad business.

Akuze and the Husks were intelligence gathering projects; know your enemy.  Akuze allowed for the evaluation of Alliance training and equipment in the event of an unexpected encounter with a Thresher Maw (a poor evaluation most likely), and Corporal Toombs allowed for the in-depth study of the effects of Thresher acid on human tissue allowing for the development of treatment and defense (a more clinical version of early anti-venom development).

The husk experiment again allowed Cerberus to examine and evaluate the capabilities of the enemy and begin research on counter measures.

The study of the Rachni and Thorian Creepers was, as Miranda says, an attempt to develope expendable shock troopers (cannon fodder).  The Rachni were abandoned when it was discovered they weren't mindless beasts (whether because of moral issues or them simply being too smart to effectively control we don't know), and I'm guessing the Thorian Creepers were abandoned after the death of the Thorian (and the events on Nodacrux [note not Cerberus]).

Admittedly there's nothing to point to and say, "Look what we got out of it" but if you decide the worth of research solely on the ability to produce some tangible thing than you've declared the majority of Physics useless.

[kraidy1117]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

I wanted to get away from Cerberus the whole game. There should have been a way to get off that ship when you went to the council!

Why? The council does not beleive you nor do they beleive the Reapers exist. Also the Alliance only moves there ass hwne rumors that Shepard is alive and is working with Cerberus. Both the Council and the Alliance are useless. Shame the one group that wants to defeat the Reapers are pro-humans.....

[kraidy1117]

RyrineaNara wrote...

The only problem with that is there was no evidence to say the REAPERS were real. The council is in a position to judge people, since they are the political power of Citadel space.

And your point is? They don't want to help Shepard at all. Without Cerberus Shepard would never have made it to the Collector base or stop the Collectors, and there is one reason for it. Something that the council or the Alliance would not risk, something Cerberus did. EDI.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 28 mars 2010 - 12:02 .

[SimonTheFrog]

Well, maybe the term "terrorist" might not fit, or it fits, i don't care (Jacob says too that they are called "terrorists for a reason").



I wouldn't generally mind working for an organization that has a "dubious" past or "questionable" methods, as they try to depict Cerberus in ME2.

But BioWare missed the chance in ME1 to show the player any "good goals" of Cerberus at all. And i hope we can all agree on that one.

So, we are told that they are not all evil, but from what we can tell from our own experience they have never done or achieved anything "for the greater good". They just killed people and made weird and painful experiments.



What i'm trying to say is that it's just a missed chance for a nice twist that would be possible in a trilogy.



P.S. i never really understood why people defend Cerberus.

[RyrineaNara]

I'm not going to bother anymore, since you refuse to see that they aren't fit to run a toaster oven let alone help Shepard.


PS. I never understand why people defend Cerbuse at all either.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 28 mars 2010 - 12:07 .

[kraidy1117]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Well, maybe the term "terrorist" might not fit, or it fits, i don't care (Jacob says too that they are called "terrorists for a reason").

I wouldn't generally mind working for an organization that has a "dubious" past or "questionable" methods, as they try to depict Cerberus in ME2.
But BioWare missed the chance in ME1 to show the player any "good goals" of Cerberus at all. And i hope we can all agree on that one.
So, we are told that they are not all evil, but from what we can tell from our own experience they have never done or achieved anything "for the greater good". They just killed people and made weird and painful experiments.

What i'm trying to say is that it's just a missed chance for a nice twist that would be possible in a trilogy.

P.S. i never really understood why people defend Cerberus.

Because Cerberus is not good or evil. Just because you don't see what the reserch does, does not mean it's helpful. I don't like Cerberus, I think it needs a better leader then TIM who is power hungery.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

Mikeypage wrote...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

The frotilla incedent is something I would call terroism.

First off we never hear any details about what happened, much less actually witness it.

Actually if you read ascension, you hear ALOT of details about what happened. And who witnessed it.

Sure whatever, we're talking about the games here though and the vast majority out there aren't really familiar with those books anyways. But a look around the net reveals the attack on the flotilla wasn't portrayed as an act of terrorism in those books either.

[RyrineaNara]

To advance Human Kind, and protect human interests in not justified as a good goal.. They have killed more humans with there methods than any other group.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 28 mars 2010 - 12:10 .

[kraidy1117]

RyrineaNara wrote...

I'm not going to bother anymore, since you refuse to see that they aren't fit to run a toaster oven let alone help Shepard.


PS. I never understand why people defend Cerbuse at all either.

So they did not help Shepard? Lets see they brought him back to life, gave him a better and powerful ship, gave him a list of the best and toughest people in the Galaxy that can help you, fed you info on the Collectors, got you through the Omega 4 relay and helped you stop the Reapers from making a human shake. Plus they give you EDI, which without hr Shepard would have failed. 

Yes they did not help Shepard at all....

[DPSSOC]

Shandepared wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

The Rachni were abandoned when it was discovered they weren't mindless beasts (whether because of moral issues or them simply being too smart to effectively control we don't know)..

The latter. Without a queen the rachni go crazy and become violent. It is also the fact that they were intelligent enough to escape containment and direct the drone ships to send them all over the cluster. Shepard did Cerberus' job when he scuttled the station.

Yeah probably but we're never expressly told so one could spin it to be a moral decision (though that requires a fair amount of spin).  Most likely though it was an "Oh crap they're too smart we can't control them" moment

[Bucky_McLachlan]

RyrineaNara wrote...

The only problem with that is there was no evidence to say the REAPERS were real. The council is in a position to judge people, since they are the political power of Citadel space.

[kraidy1117]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Mikeypage wrote...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

The frotilla incedent is something I would call terroism.

First off we never hear any details about what happened, much less actually witness it.

Actually if you read ascension, you hear ALOT of details about what happened. And who witnessed it.

Sure whatever, we're talking about the games here though and the vast majority out there aren't really familiar with those books anyways. But a look around the net reveals the attack on the flotilla wasn't portrayed as an act of terrorism in those books either.

Bucky is right, no where in the books does it say TIm did this for fun or to be evil. If anything Golo is the terrosist because he decided when they where at the fleet to destory all the ships.

[RyrineaNara]

By helping Shepard you mean putting Shepard, and his team in danger then yes they helped him alright.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 28 mars 2010 - 12:13 .

[kraidy1117]

RyrineaNara wrote...

By helping Shepard you mean putting Shepard, and his team in danger then yes they helped him alright.

As Bucky said yesterday to me, your an idiot.

[RyrineaNara]

I'm not a idiot just because I actually pay attention to the story. They put his/her team in danger contently even loring her/him to the collecter ship. Yet people defend them.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 28 mars 2010 - 12:17 .