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[Knoll Argonar]

Well, in ME1 i found all that "the reapers are coming" claim very retarded, since you actually traped them in Dark Space.



In ME2 is the same: you destroy their reaper factory and their minions, so it's a "the reapers are trapped in dark space" for me again.



Really, I think that if it wasn't for the so-obvious set ups of both games for a galactic war, I would say that ME3 could end with the reapers still trapped in dark space.

[TimelessOne9009]

Alocormin wrote...

Gilead26 wrote...

 So I just beat ME 2 again last night and as I watched the ending something occurred to me that (for some reason) I'd never previously thought of.  How the hell are the reapers going to get to the Milky Way fast enough to be something that shepard actually has to worry about? 

Exactly my confusion when ME 1 ended and Shepard said, "The Reapers are still coming..."  How??  Except that there was a possibility of others being indoctrinated, even then, wasn't Sovereign needed to activate the relay?  If they had more than one Reaper, surely they would have brought both to the battle of the citadel.

But they are patient, remember, this has been happening for millions of years, I'm sure they have a pretty good idea of what to do.  They only needed one to open the Citadel because the Protheans messed up the Keepers, so they didn't respond to the signal.

Why risk the detection of other agents when all you need is one to do a "simple" task?

Of course, the attack by Sovereign and the Geth shows arrogance--so maybe the Reapers are losing it...

[TimelessOne9009]

My thought though--they will not be the final battle.

[DPSSOC]

Am I the only one who imagined a conversation between Harbinger and Shepard similar to Conrad and that Asari bartender (name escapes me).



Harbinger: I am the Harbinger of your destruction

Shep: Uh huh

[Nightwriter]

During the game I got the impression Bioware wanted me to believe the Reaper fleet was coming here on its own. And that it would be here by ME3.

I know. I was confused.

I was like, wait, they're awake? Vigil said Sovereign had to activate the Citadel relay and wake them up from hibernation first... but I stopped him... and even if they're awake, and Vigil was wrong, they have no relay...

I can only tell myself that there are other relays in dark space other than the one that the Citadel relay connects to, and that the Reaper fleet can travel to these other relays on their own and use them to jump to our galaxy.

[Wild Still]

If the Reapers aren't a threat anymore Mass Effect Three is gonna suck.

[Nightwriter]

My question is, if the Reaper fleet can get here on its own, why did Sovereign bother with the Citadel Relay at all?

Modifié par Nightwriter, 28 mars 2010 - 04:02 .

[Urazz]

DPSSOC wrote...

Am I the only one who imagined a conversation between Harbinger and Shepard similar to Conrad and that Asari bartender (name escapes me).

Harbinger: I am the Harbinger of your destruction
Shep: Uh huh

*Shepard pulls out his gun*
Shepard:  Harbinger, let me make this perfectly clear.
*Shepard points his gun at Harbiner's foot and shoots him*
Harbinger:  AAAGGGGGHHHH!!!!  My foot!  You shot my foot!
Asari Matriarch Bartender:  Oh that shot barely dinged you, you big baby!
Harbinger:  I know but I'm not used to be shot at and am new to the whole badass thing.

[TuringPoint]

I am thinking... fighting the reapers will not be the mission of the third game. It'll be stopping them, somehow. Even with what reaper tech has been obtained from the wreckage of Sovereign, mobilizing even the entire galaxy, against that many reapers, doesn't seem possible. We have hints that their numbers may not be as big as Sovereign let on... Vigil suggested they depended on the isolation of the mass relays, which they had control over.

So... what would it be?  Would it take place decades later, after Reaper technology has become more common armament?  Will we research Reaper countermeasures, find technology and hints about the Citadel and the Reapers?

Modifié par Alocormin, 28 mars 2010 - 04:35 .

[Urazz]

Alocormin wrote...

I am thinking... fighting the reapers will not be the mission of the third game. It'll be stopping them, somehow. Even with what reaper tech has been obtained from the wreckage of Sovereign, mobilizing even the entire galaxy, against that many reapers, doesn't seem possible. We have hints that their numbers may not be as big as Sovereign let on... Vigil suggested they depended on the isolation of the mass relays, which they had control over.

Well it looked like they had a big enough fleet that they could handle any of the council races' fleets alone but probably not a combined fleet or a smaller fleet with advance tech.

[TheLostGenius]

More than likely Commander Sheperd will glare at the leader of the Reapers and they will just like totally back down.

[adam_grif]

Gilead26 wrote...

 So I just beat ME 2 again last night and as I watched the ending something occurred to me that (for some reason) I'd never previously thought of.  How the hell are the reapers going to get to the Milky Way fast enough to be something that shepard actually has to worry about? 

I mean plan A was for Sovereign to open the relay and let the other reapers through. Plan B was to build a new vanguard out of humans and to presumably attempt to open the relay again or, possibly, to build a brand new relay linking to darkspace.  

The fact that Plan B was to create a new vanguard not to just charge straight to the milky way seems to suggest that the Reapers are so far away that even by the standards of immortal sentient machines just flying to the milky way would take far too long.  

So how do you think the writers are going to explain this?  Will it involve the foreshadowed dark energy induced death of Haestrom's sun? or some other as yet unexplained method?

Well luckily for you, we've had this thread several times before, so we don't need to discuss it, we can just give you the conclusion straight away

If we assume that the reapers make a 90 degree angle with the two ends of the milky way, we can extrapolate distance. You don't need to know what it was, and I've forgotten the exact number. But given ME FTL speeds of 12 lightyears per day, a sustained cruise at this velocity gives us approximately a 2 year transit time if they're just flying in directly.

The only concern is that they have nowhere to discharge their drive cores into, which means they shouldn't be able to sustain FTL flight in dark space for more than a few days before tearing themselves apart because of this. It is likely they simply have another plan to get here.

[wolf99000]

Nightwriter wrote...

My question is, if the Reaper fleet can get here on its own, why did Sovereign bother with the Citadel Relay at all?

why use all that energy when you can just set up a surprise attack by leaving one of them to open the relay also on harbinger and how they woke up in 2 he was talking with the collector boss on some kind of communication device so its safe to say that all that time he was in dark space with the rest maybe when sovereign was killed he woke up and now he woke the rest up

[Vaenier]

Wormholes. Mass Effect Fields. They explain everything.

[Vaenier]

adam_grif wrote...

The only concern is that they have nowhere to discharge their drive cores into, which means they shouldn't be able to sustain FTL flight in dark space for more than a few days before tearing themselves apart because of this. It is likely they simply have another plan to get here.

I invented a solution to this. Put the Drives into reverse, increasing your mass and canceling out the charge on your hull. you cant move during this, but you dont need planets.

[Fluffeh Kitteh]

Nightwriter wrote...

My question is, if the Reaper fleet can get here on its own, why did Sovereign bother with the Citadel Relay at all?

It was a short cut! Now because there's no relay, the Reapers have to use the other conveniently written plot device which we'll discover in the 3rd chapter to arrive in ME3.

I still say Harbinger's gonna assume direct control of a keeper and make him activate the relay. Why not do it earlier? because they initially wanted to wait till the human reaper was complete, or at least that's what Bioware would probably use to cover the plot hole up

[DPSSOC]

Nightwriter wrote...

My question is, if the Reaper fleet can get here on its own, why did Sovereign bother with the Citadel Relay at all?

Location, location, location

Coming in through the Citadel Relay allows immediate access to Census records as well as starting the invasion from deep inside enemy territory.  Approaching from the fringe allows the races to be warned and prepare for what's happening, the Citadel jump doesn't.

[wolf99000]

also did not virgil say that once they had control of the citadel they shut down all the relays that says that they need the citadel for that which is another reason to use that relay the faster they have control of it the faster they can make sure there is no way the races can build a fleet



it was also said in the codex that in a fleet on fleet fight they can be beat and are vulnerable in the first game so making sure the other races cannot coordinated an counter attack is essential

[Fros7bite]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Hey, if the reapers were even half-smart, they'd just loiter around outside the galaxy for three hundred years or so and wait until Shepard-Commander dies and the galaxy dismisses the Reapers as a fable. Then they can roll in and take everyone by surprise!
Because really, the Reapers are immortal. They KNOW that they'll outlive any old meatbag and that other old meatbags have imperfect memories and tend to forget stuff.
Perfect sense, right?

The Reapers have already misjudged our technology and have waited too long to harvest us. Why would they wait another hundred years for the Commander to die when technology increases exponentially?

[Vaenier]

Fros7bite wrote...

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Hey, if the reapers were even half-smart, they'd just loiter around outside the galaxy for three hundred years or so and wait until Shepard-Commander dies and the galaxy dismisses the Reapers as a fable. Then they can roll in and take everyone by surprise!
Because really, the Reapers are immortal. They KNOW that they'll outlive any old meatbag and that other old meatbags have imperfect memories and tend to forget stuff.
Perfect sense, right?

The Reapers have already misjudged our technology and have waited too long to harvest us. Why would they wait another hundred years for the Commander to die when technology increases exponentially?

if technology increases exponentualy, why are the reapers going backwards? They would be using microwave and plasma guns, have 37 foot thick armor, find a way to beam nukes onto enemy ships. instead they use simple rail guns and such.
They know they could always use better guns, why not advance after 37 million years... epic fail.

[wolf99000]

Vaenier wrote...

Fros7bite wrote...

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Hey, if the reapers were even half-smart, they'd just loiter around outside the galaxy for three hundred years or so and wait until Shepard-Commander dies and the galaxy dismisses the Reapers as a fable. Then they can roll in and take everyone by surprise!
Because really, the Reapers are immortal. They KNOW that they'll outlive any old meatbag and that other old meatbags have imperfect memories and tend to forget stuff.
Perfect sense, right?

The Reapers have already misjudged our technology and have waited too long to harvest us. Why would they wait another hundred years for the Commander to die when technology increases exponentially?

if technology increases exponentualy, why are the reapers going backwards? They would be using microwave and plasma guns, have 37 foot thick armor, find a way to beam nukes onto enemy ships. instead they use simple rail guns and such.
They know they could always use better guns, why not advance after 37 million years... epic fail.

why not advance is that not what the whole human reaper was about them trying to advance

in the game it says they come out a certain point each time around a certain amount of years in each cycles evolution they do that so the races are at a point in there development where the reapers can beat them

[MasterMegatron]

Nightwriter wrote...

My question is, if the Reaper fleet can get here on its own, why did Sovereign bother with the Citadel Relay at all?

Most species find the Citadel and use it as their governmental center. Come through there, kill the government, and nab the most recent census and tech data. While the galaxy is still reeling, kill more. It's the perfect surprise attack.

[Phjillee]

Vaenier wrote...

Fros7bite wrote...

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Hey, if the reapers were even half-smart, they'd just loiter around outside the galaxy for three hundred years or so and wait until Shepard-Commander dies and the galaxy dismisses the Reapers as a fable. Then they can roll in and take everyone by surprise!
Because really, the Reapers are immortal. They KNOW that they'll outlive any old meatbag and that other old meatbags have imperfect memories and tend to forget stuff.
Perfect sense, right?

The Reapers have already misjudged our technology and have waited too long to harvest us. Why would they wait another hundred years for the Commander to die when technology increases exponentially?

if technology increases exponentualy, why are the reapers going backwards? They would be using microwave and plasma guns, have 37 foot thick armor, find a way to beam nukes onto enemy ships. instead they use simple rail guns and such.
They know they could always use better guns, why not advance after 37 million years... epic fail.

I think it was something about them not being capable of thinking as creatively as organic races and harvested them and took their technology to upgrade their own. Correct me if i'm wrong please.

[Nightwriter]

MasterMegatron wrote...

Most species find the Citadel and use it as their governmental center. Come through there, kill the government, and nab the most recent census and tech data. While the galaxy is still reeling, kill more. It's the perfect surprise attack.

The Citadel - and its census data - could have been easily seized once the Reaper fleet arrived in the Serpent Nebula.

Sovereign went out of his way to seize it now, when he was on his own, which seems like an unnecessary risk.

[DPSSOC]

Vaenier wrote...

if technology increases exponentualy, why are the reapers going backwards? They would be using microwave and plasma guns, have 37 foot thick armor, find a way to beam nukes onto enemy ships. instead they use simple rail guns and such.
They know they could always use better guns, why not advance after 37 million years... epic fail.

To quote the good doctor "Limitations!"

No limitations no advancement and the Reapers have gone unchallenged for millions of years.  Or in simpler terms, "If it aint broke don't fix it."