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[Tooneyman]

I say this. REapers batteries are running out. Like any machine. It needs power and in order to sustain its self it needs resources so what it does is it gets is resources to recharge its batteries by conquoring other civilizations.

[Tooneyman]

gmartin40 wrote...

Does this still look like a threat?

HEy look its pool of squid. Now all we need is a a couple of giant fish. lets say these guys. to eat them hehe.

[Asheer_Khan]

Tooneyman wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

Does this still look like a threat?

HEy look its pool of squid. Now all we need is a a couple of giant fish. lets say these guys. to eat them hehe.

Like Qui-Gon once say :

"There's ALWAYS bigger fish"

[gloowacz]

Tilarta wrote...

The Reapers are on a deadline, emphasis on the dead.

Tilarta wrote...

I also think that they desperately need energy to recharge, so that could be another motivation to attack now.

you know, you just made me think of an possible outcome, that has an precedent actually. Battle of the Bulge, fuel problems anyone?

[Weiser_Cain]

I'm sure the reapers could eat stars if they wanted to.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Sunnie22 wrote...


The last scene in ME2 where they cut to a shot of the Reaper fleet, they did not appear to be moving. They appeared to be standing still and powering up. And from the viewpoint we got, the entire MIlky Way galaxy fit fully into the frame so they are still a very very very long way away. And as I understand it, in order to maintain FTL travel, you need a consistent power source to apply force, otherwise physics will demand that the object return to sublight speeds. Whether you believe it or not, space is not completely devoid of any friction or gravitational influences. It "will" take them a very long time to travel to the outer edges of the galaxy.

Oh and one more thing, it was not 2 years between the end of ME1 and Sheps death, it was 2 months. It was 2 years between the time Shep died and then woke up on the Cerberus station.

ok 2 years and 2 months for them all to wake up and get their butts moving. You also have to remember that they are slightly above the milky way galaxy, they could in fact be closer due to perspective and be in fact over "looking it" because of higher elevation the top of reapers have.

I don't know about that, it appeared to me that they were moving already, hence the moving into the light of the galaxy. If there were merely powering up, then they would not be moving and then gaining speed and not going already at a constant speed. They hibernate in order to conserve energy, so their stores would have at the VERY LEAST be able to get back here by standard means as an emergency. Faulty blueprint designs if they do. You don't cull the galaxy every 50,000 years and some vanguard ****'s up and you all wake up with no power because no one has an alarm clock set. There has to be a contengency plan in place in the event of that occuring and if that does happen and it fails, there has be another contegency plan occuring.

Much like, Harbringer thought he would be able to finish the human reaper, as the new vanguard. Whether the reaper was an project to be finished when harbringer got here and culled all the humans or to be finished before he got there (my personal opinon, it's the first). The first option assumes that because of soverign's death, he has choosen what the new vanguard will be and who is the lead species of interest.

The Second one assumes that reaper's don't change tactics, which I highly doubt. "Damaged" reaper reputation or not, I think harbringer is more deadily sonofa***** then sovereign is any day. Harbringer's tactics was to start an distraction op already in the galaxy and start moving his troops in. Besides, No way in hell all of the galaxy fleets, even combined will be able to stop that many reapers  at once. but because they do not control the citadel, the reapers are going to be forced to try to secure that first and get the targeting data, which is not hard considering they have easily 100-150 reapers in that screen alone, they could easily secure the citadel and get the targeting data. Soverign may use more imtimindation and Blitz tactics but Harbringer's moves are more akin to a chess player, awaiting opennings and oppunities. Because he distracts and blocks you with one hand (the collectors) while he moves his other hand to press a gun (Reaper fleet) to your chest.

But IF there is a power issue. Why don't they draw power from the dark matter/energy that is around them. I admit I am not an space/mathmatics major, however from what I've read about it there is seavral things that are obivious about it. First thing if I was an reaper was to be able to use alternate fuel source and if Dark energy is 74% of the universe and 23% is Dark Matter.... I am going to try to use one of those two elements, especially if I'm lurking out beyond the galaxy rim. It doesn't make any logical sense not to use it and if you been around at least how many million years and culled how many races.... I am sure some alien figured out how to use dark energy or matter for their own purposes. even if it was to use a small part of it, it would be enough for the reapers as a collective knowledge dump to forumulate an way to use it. 

Another thing.... Assuming that I am right and there is no power issue or at least an major issue of power. They would be appoaching the galaxy, and building a new vanguard for a reason other than to replace the old one. If the new vanguard for whatever reason failed, the speices of the galaxy don't have 2 years + 2 years to build more warships and prepare more. It makes little strategic sense to wait around for your new vanguard to finish when you can start moving in your troops closer on emergency supply incase somehow, the meddling humans do surprise with you something else. They did manage to kill Soverign, they may pull another trick out of the sleeve... which they did by bringing back the single most pain in the *** human the reapers will ever know- sheppard.

I admit, I am making some assumptions and speculations but they seem logical to me.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 29 mars 2010 - 02:53 .

[Langbein Rise]

TheLostGenius wrote...

Gilead26 wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

Yea the Quarian pretty much nailed it. The "Reapers" are just part of Sheps silly imagination. Silly Sheperd. Wouldn't it be funny if Sheperd was just pretending that the game was happening the whole time...kinda like the player!!!!

lol that would be the worst cop-out ever,    I think I'd throw my controller through my tv if that happened. 

I think it would be hilarious if Commander Sheperd was really some 20 something guy living at his parents house pretending he was a space captain, and he's all like super nerded out and playing with action figures in his underwear. Then he closes your eyes and suddenly your talking to Shep's Love Interest. 

Don't shatterz the illuisionz guyz

ASSUMING CONTROL OF THIS FORM

[Gravbh]

Jedi Sensei wrote...


This series is all about control. Sovereign controlled Saren and the Geth with indoctrination. The Salarians controlled the Krogans with the Genophage. The Rachni control others with their minds -- the Asari too, possibly. The Thorian controlled the colonists with spores. The Quarians controlled the Geth and want to take it back (Admiral Xen does, anyway). The Geth control the Quarian homeworld. The humans control the fate of the Galaxy...(!!!) Who controls the Reapers??? I say, the Keepers!!

...or maybe not.

This series is all about big choices and visceral combat! Not like the old games where you had to drink water and travel 5 hours real time.

[gloowacz]

Gravbh wrote...
This series is all about big choices and visceral combat! Not like the old games where you had to drink water and travel 5 hours real time.

Have you tried Galaxy of Fantasy yet?

[kil_edward93]

commence facepalm

[Sunnie]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


The last scene in ME2 where they cut to a shot of the Reaper fleet, they did not appear to be moving. They appeared to be standing still and powering up. And from the viewpoint we got, the entire MIlky Way galaxy fit fully into the frame so they are still a very very very long way away. And as I understand it, in order to maintain FTL travel, you need a consistent power source to apply force, otherwise physics will demand that the object return to sublight speeds. Whether you believe it or not, space is not completely devoid of any friction or gravitational influences. It "will" take them a very long time to travel to the outer edges of the galaxy.

Oh and one more thing, it was not 2 years between the end of ME1 and Sheps death, it was 2 months. It was 2 years between the time Shep died and then woke up on the Cerberus station.

ok 2 years and 2 months for them all to wake up and get their butts moving. You also have to remember that they are slightly above the milky way galaxy, they could in fact be closer due to perspective and be in fact over "looking it" because of higher elevation the top of reapers have.

I don't know about that, it appeared to me that they were moving already, hence the moving into the light of the galaxy. If there were merely powering up, then they would not be moving and then gaining speed and not going already at a constant speed. They hibernate in order to conserve energy, so their stores would have at the VERY LEAST be able to get back here by standard means as an emergency. Faulty blueprint designs if they do. You don't cull the galaxy every 50,000 years and some vanguard ****'s up and you all wake up with no power because no one has an alarm clock set. There has to be a contengency plan in place in the event of that occuring and if that does happen and it fails, there has be another contegency plan occuring.

Much like, Harbringer thought he would be able to finish the human reaper, as the new vanguard. Whether the reaper was an project to be finished when harbringer got here and culled all the humans or to be finished before he got there (my personal opinon, it's the first). The first option assumes that because of soverign's death, he has choosen what the new vanguard will be and who is the lead species of interest.

The Second one assumes that reaper's don't change tactics, which I highly doubt. "Damaged" reaper reputation or not, I think harbringer is more deadily sonofa***** then sovereign is any day. Harbringer's tactics was to start an distraction op already in the galaxy and start moving his troops in. Besides, No way in hell all of the galaxy fleets, even combined will be able to stop that many reapers  at once. but because they do not control the citadel, the reapers are going to be forced to try to secure that first and get the targeting data, which is not hard considering they have easily 100-150 reapers in that screen alone, they could easily secure the citadel and get the targeting data. Soverign may use more imtimindation and Blitz tactics but Harbringer's moves are more akin to a chess player, awaiting opennings and oppunities. Because he distracts and blocks you with one hand (the collectors) while he moves his other hand to press a gun (Reaper fleet) to your chest.

But IF there is a power issue. Why don't they draw power from the dark matter/energy that is around them. I admit I am not an space/mathmatics major, however from what I've read about it there is seavral things that are obivious about it. First thing if I was an reaper was to be able to use alternate fuel source and if Dark energy is 74% of the universe and 23% is Dark Matter.... I am going to try to use one of those two elements, especially if I'm lurking out beyond the galaxy rim. It doesn't make any logical sense not to use it and if you been around at least how many million years and culled how many races.... I am sure some alien figured out how to use dark energy or matter for their own purposes. even if it was to use a small part of it, it would be enough for the reapers as a collective knowledge dump to forumulate an way to use it. 

Another thing.... Assuming that I am right and there is no power issue or at least an major issue of power. They would be appoaching the galaxy, and building a new vanguard for a reason other than to replace the old one. If the new vanguard for whatever reason failed, the speices of the galaxy don't have 2 years + 2 years to build more warships and prepare more. It makes little strategic sense to wait around for your new vanguard to finish when you can start moving in your troops closer on emergency supply incase somehow, the meddling humans do surprise with you something else. They did manage to kill Soverign, they may pull another trick out of the sleeve... which they did by bringing back the single most pain in the *** human the reapers will ever know- sheppard.

I admit, I am making some assumptions and speculations but they seem logical to me.

You make some good points. However, I would like to throw out there that our galaxy is approximately 100,000 LY across and an estimated 1000 to 3000 LY deep. From the cameras perspective and field of view, and accounting for the size of the standard Reaper, This would put the camera somewhere in the neighborhood of 220,000-250,000 ish LY away.  Also keep in mind (for those talking about Reapers eating stars) that there are no other galaxies between the Reaper fleet and ours, there would be no stars to consume.

It is possible that dark energy or matter could come into play, but there has been no evidence that is the case, as shown by the Reapers own technology that everyone in the galaxy currently uses. One could also hypothisize they that could draw energy from neigboring dimensional strings, but again there has been no evidence from Bioware that this is the case.  Everything is all speculation and theory, and we could all be wrong. Just have to wait and see how the Writers spin everything.

[The Governator]

Gilead26 wrote...

 So I just beat ME 2 again last night and as I watched the ending something occurred to me that (for some reason) I'd never previously thought of.  How the hell are the reapers going to get to the Milky Way fast enough to be something that shepard actually has to worry about? 

I mean plan A was for Sovereign to open the relay and let the other reapers through. Plan B was to build a new vanguard out of humans and to presumably attempt to open the relay again or, possibly, to build a brand new relay linking to darkspace.  

The fact that Plan B was to create a new vanguard not to just charge straight to the milky way seems to suggest that the Reapers are so far away that even by the standards of immortal sentient machines just flying to the milky way would take far too long.  

So how do you think the writers are going to explain this?  Will it involve the foreshadowed dark energy induced death of Haestrom's sun? or some other as yet unexplained method?

I am no astronomer, but I know that the Milky Way is about 100,000 light years across.  Given how the Reapers see a LARGE portion (perhaps all) of the Milky Way Galaxy on their apparent approach it suggets that they are at MINIMUM thousands of light years from the edge.  Without a relay, I don't see how they are going to return unless they too have FTL drives...

Or maybe that's the genius.  Maybe using FTL drives makes them weak, and that is the vehicle Bioware will use to have them vulnerable enough to defeat yet, in their numbers and tech, still strong enough to make an epic hyper battle in ME3.