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[Delta095]

As sad as it is, it is simply impossible for Wrex to be a party member in Mass Effect 3. Why? I'm sure people have considered this.

It's the same reason that Wrex couldn't be a party member in Mass Effect 2. There are four outcomes to the Virmire conflict. Two are the default options and two are special.

Default:
Paragon: Try to convince him it's the right thing to do but fail. Ashley kills him.
Renegade: You tell him you don't care what he thinks about this. You AND Ashley kill him.

Special:
Charm: Same as the default paragon except you succeed.
Renegade: I don't really know this one because I've never tried it but I imagine it has something to do with making him angry at Saren? I dunno.


If you don't import your Wrexful character from ME1 or import a file
where he's dead, he's dead. The default scenario is dead Wrex.
Think of his appearance in ME2 as a cameo.


The point is, making a character takes a lot of work, especially with the voice acting and recruitment/loyalty quests [Assuming they're coming back]. They simply wouldn't do that much work for a character that is less than 50% likely to be alive.

It's partially why I'm not so sure that Ashley or Kaidan would be a party member [Since only one is alive] but that's not what this thread is for.

Any questions? I may have started to rant a little bit. I think it's extremely disappointing, but I'm almost completely sure Bioware wouldn't create Wrex for a possible scenario. If there are any questions or requests for clarification, I'd be happy to hear them.

Hope this helps ease up the suspense. This is a debate, so I'm fine with people disagreeing or pointing out fields where I'm wrong. Go ahead.

[kraidy1117]

So then by this logic then no one from ME2 including our LI should be SQ mates in ME2 >_>

[Xaijin]

wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.

[Delta095]

Xaijin wrote...

wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.

Wreav hated Shepard's guts. The only reason he respected him was because he is the cause of Wreav's ascent to power on Tuchanka.


And for the other guy..

Wrex was the only squadmate in ME1 that you had to use special dialogue to keep alive. Ashley and Kaidan were a choice, so it'd be possible for them to be around. Anybody who dies in ME2 won't be in 3, unless you make a totally new character and since you have to make a new guy if yours dies in 2 [Which is only possible if everybody else dies], that would almost certainly mean that everybody is dead in 3 by default.

And LI? I'm tired, so I'm not following.

Modifié par Delta095, 28 mars 2010 - 03:04 .

[enormousmoonboots]

There are five outcomes to the Wrex event. If you do his family armor quest, you can make him stand down without Charm/Intimidate.



Actually, though, I also doubt he'll be a party member. I'd love to have the band back together for the final installment, but he's doing more important things on Tuchanka than he could be doing in the Normandy's cargo bay.

[Delta095]

I forgot about the armor one. Sorry.

[crimzontearz]

Delta095 wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.

Wreav hated Shepard's guts. The only reason he respected him was because he is the cause of Wreav's ascent to power on Tuchanka.


And for the other guy..

Wrex was the only squadmate in ME1 that you had to use special dialogue to keep alive. Ashley and Kaidan were a choice, so it'd be possible for them to be around. Anybody who dies in ME2 won't be in 3, unless you make a totally new character and since you have to make a new guy if yours dies in 2 [Which is only possible if everybody else dies], that would almost certainly mean that everybody is dead in 3 by default.

And LI? I'm tired, so I'm not following.

you did not "have" to

if you did his quest  you did not have to meet any charm/intimidate requirement to keep him alive....so yeah technically he was a choice as well, the choice was either do or do not do his side quiest (and if you did not you still had the chance to save him with a charm/intimidate dialogue option if you met the requirements)

[Delta095]

crimzontearz wrote...

Delta095 wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.

Wreav hated Shepard's guts. The only reason he respected him was because he is the cause of Wreav's ascent to power on Tuchanka.


And for the other guy..

Wrex was the only squadmate in ME1 that you had to use special dialogue to keep alive. Ashley and Kaidan were a choice, so it'd be possible for them to be around. Anybody who dies in ME2 won't be in 3, unless you make a totally new character and since you have to make a new guy if yours dies in 2 [Which is only possible if everybody else dies], that would almost certainly mean that everybody is dead in 3 by default.

And LI? I'm tired, so I'm not following.

you did not "have" to

if you did his quest  you did not have to meet any charm/intimidate requirement to keep him alive....so yeah technically he was a choice as well, the choice was either do or do not do his side quiest (and if you did not you still had the chance to save him with a charm/intimidate dialogue option if you met the requirements)

You need to talk to him and form a sort of friendly relationship before he agrees to tell you about it. You'd be surprised how many people aren't willing to sit down and get to know their party members.

EDIT: I forgot to stress the fact that talking to your party members isn't as important in ME1 as it is in 2. Talking to them in ME2 is a life or death situation [For them]. Talking to your party members in ME1 is just for fun facts.

Modifié par Delta095, 28 mars 2010 - 03:13 .

[Xaijin]

Delta095 wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.

Wreav hated Shepard's guts. The only reason he respected him was because he is the cause of Wreav's ascent to power on Tuchanka.


And for the other guy..

Wrex was the only squadmate in ME1 that you had to use special dialogue to keep alive. Ashley and Kaidan were a choice, so it'd be possible for them to be around. Anybody who dies in ME2 won't be in 3, unless you make a totally new character and since you have to make a new guy if yours dies in 2 [Which is only possible if everybody else dies], that would almost certainly mean that everybody is dead in 3 by default.

And LI? I'm tired, so I'm not following.

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There is NO reason not to include him as a PM. There are plenty of ways to get him off planet, same as Liara Kaidan and anyone else. Your inability to see them isn't anybody else's issue. All he needs is a defining reason and the appropriate model touchups, which are already in place. Your other assumptions are also compeltely specious, BioWare has said nothing to indicate your premise is remotely accurate, and a couple things indicating the opposite is true in regards to returning characters.

Modifié par Xaijin, 28 mars 2010 - 03:14 .

[kraidy1117]

Love how Delta ignores what I said, I gues he thinks I am right ^ ^

[Delta095]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Love how Delta ignores what I said, I gues he thinks I am right ^ ^

Read the post I made after your first one. The bottom/

[enormousmoonboots]

You need to talk to him and form a sort of friendly relationship before he agrees to tell you about it. You'd be surprised how many people aren't willing to sit down and get to know their party members.

These people are bad at video games and deserved to be punished with fewer squad members. Seriously, drop by for a chat after each plot planet and he drops it on you. Everyone shouldn't get screwed over with fewer developed characters because morons went 'lol wats rpg lemme put all my points into gunz i dun need to talk 2 ppl'.



And talking to party members in ME1 gave you Codex entries, which gave you XP rewards. I can't count how many times chatting with Liara pushed me over the edge to shooting bullets harder. Not talking to people only handicapped yourself.

[crimzontearz]

Delta095 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Delta095 wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.

Wreav hated Shepard's guts. The only reason he respected him was because he is the cause of Wreav's ascent to power on Tuchanka.


And for the other guy..

Wrex was the only squadmate in ME1 that you had to use special dialogue to keep alive. Ashley and Kaidan were a choice, so it'd be possible for them to be around. Anybody who dies in ME2 won't be in 3, unless you make a totally new character and since you have to make a new guy if yours dies in 2 [Which is only possible if everybody else dies], that would almost certainly mean that everybody is dead in 3 by default.

And LI? I'm tired, so I'm not following.

you did not "have" to

if you did his quest  you did not have to meet any charm/intimidate requirement to keep him alive....so yeah technically he was a choice as well, the choice was either do or do not do his side quiest (and if you did not you still had the chance to save him with a charm/intimidate dialogue option if you met the requirements)

You need to talk to him and form a sort of friendly relationship before he agrees to tell you about it. You'd be surprised how many people aren't willing to sit down and get to know their party members.

EDIT: I forgot to stress the fact that talking to your party members isn't as important in ME1 as it is in 2. Talking to them in ME2 is a life or death situation [For them]. Talking to your party members in ME1 is just for fun facts.

not the point ..the choice remains.....either go through the procedure of aquiring the quest and do it (and save his *** without any special dialogue)....or do not (and get the chance to save him with a charm/intimidate check)

just because  some people are too dense to talk to the crew that does not mean the choice does not exist

[Elessara]

Just going to point out, you don't even have to talk to Wrex about his family armor to get/do the quest. Just drop on the world where the armor is and get it, you'll automatically be given the quest once you open the safe. I barely talked to Wrex the first time I played and did the armor quest this way.

[Atmosfear3]

I'm with the OP. In fact I don't think anybody, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, will return from ME1.

[kraidy1117]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

I'm with the OP. In fact I don't think anybody, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, will return from ME1.

If they bring back one LI they have to bring them all back as squadmates. Not to do so would cause ALOT of harm.

[epoch_]

kraidy1117 wrote...

So then by this logic then no one from ME2 including our LI should be SQ mates in ME2 >_>

[Wild Still]

Wrex won't be a squad member in ME3 because he is King Sh!t of Pooland now, he has King Sh!t of Pooland stuff to do all the time.

[epoch_]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

I'm with the OP. In fact I don't think anybody, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, will return from ME1.

Fan favorites doesn't mean **** to Bioware when it comes to this.

Look at wrex

[kraidy1117]

Delta095 wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.

Wreav hated Shepard's guts. The only reason he respected him was because he is the cause of Wreav's ascent to power on Tuchanka.


And for the other guy..

Wrex was the only squadmate in ME1 that you had to use special dialogue to keep alive. Ashley and Kaidan were a choice, so it'd be possible for them to be around. Anybody who dies in ME2 won't be in 3, unless you make a totally new character and since you have to make a new guy if yours dies in 2 [Which is only possible if everybody else dies], that would almost certainly mean that everybody is dead in 3 by default.

And LI? I'm tired, so I'm not following.

Stands for love intrest and if Bioware brings Liara and Ashley/Kaidan back as a squadmate they have to bring back Miri, Jacob, Tali, Garrus, Jack and Thane because they are all LI, some have huge fanbases and if one LI is in your squad they all need to be able to.

[kraidy1117]

epoch_ wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

I'm with the OP. In fact I don't think anybody, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, will return from ME1.

Fan favorites doesn't mean **** to Bioware when it comes to this.

Look at wrex

*looks at Tali* epoch....

[Xaijin]

...

They purposefully put Wrex aside so HE COULDN'T be killed..again, like Liara.

Yes, evil mean BioWare; making characters and then keeping them alive so you can't have your special emo moment with baw cry because you killed them on purpose in the SM. Or making Tali an Li directly by request,

Stupid BioWare.

Modifié par Xaijin, 28 mars 2010 - 03:28 .

[Azint]

Wrex was just too awesome to have I guess...

[crimzontearz]

Xaijin wrote...

...

They purposefully put Wrex aside so HE COULDN'T be killed..again, like Liara.

Yes, evil mean BioWare; making characters and then keeping them alive so you can't have your special emo moment with baw cry because you killed them on purpose in the SM. Or making Tali an Li directly by request,

Stupid BioWare.

dude...the damage was done when he was made killable in ME1

hence why he was only a cameo in ME2

[TheLostGenius]

Of course he can't. The default game of ME2 has Wrex lying in an unmarked grave.