Modifié par Xaijin, 28 mars 2010 - 03:34 .
TheLostGenius wrote...
Of course he can't. The default game of ME2 has Wrex lying in an unmarked grave.
He's pretty much the top leader of his people so he won't be available. Good leaders don't abandon their followers when they need them the most and the Krogan need Wrex badly right now to lead them through this rocky period of transition they are in. At the most we are more likely to see him leading a Krogan army/fleet when they are involved in the fight with the reapers.Xaijin wrote...
Delta095 wrote...
Xaijin wrote...
wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.
Wreav hated Shepard's guts.The only reason he respected him was because he is the cause of Wreav's ascent to power on Tuchanka.
And for the other guy..
Wrex was the only squadmate in ME1 that you had to use special dialogue to keep alive. Ashley and Kaidan were a choice, so it'd be possible for them to be around. Anybody who dies in ME2 won't be in 3, unless you make a totally new character and since you have to make a new guy if yours dies in 2 [Which is only possible if everybody else dies], that would almost certainly mean that everybody is dead in 3 by default.
And LI? I'm tired, so I'm not following.
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There is NO reason not to include him as a PM. There are plenty of ways to get him off planet, same as Liara Kaidan and anyone else. Your inability to see them isn't anybody else's issue. All he needs is a defining reason and the appropriate model touchups, which are already in place. Your other assumptions are also compeltely specious, BioWare has said nothing to indicate your premise is remotely accurate, and a couple things indicating the opposite is true in regards to returning characters.
Modifié par Urazz, 28 mars 2010 - 03:36 .
The default deliberately leaves you in a bad spot. That does not count.TheLostGenius wrote...
Of course he can't. The default game of ME2 has Wrex lying in an unmarked grave.
Modifié par Xaijin, 28 mars 2010 - 03:38 .
Same thing with Garrus, and to their credit, most people were happy with that. If they do the same with Wrex, I'm sure a lot of people would have fangasms. Myself included.kraidy1117 wrote...
If there is an outcry for it, Bioware will do it nuff said. Why do you think Tali was put in ME2? It was for her fanbase because she is not needed for the plot.
Azint wrote...
The default deliberately leaves you in a bad spot. That does not count.TheLostGenius wrote...
Of course he can't. The default game of ME2 has Wrex lying in an unmarked grave.
Azint wrote...
Same thing with Garrus, and to their credit, most people were happy with that. If they do the same with Wrex, I'm sure a lot of people would have fangasms. Myself included.kraidy1117 wrote...
If there is an outcry for it, Bioware will do it nuff said. Why do you think Tali was put in ME2? It was for her fanbase because she is not needed for the plot.
Xaijin wrote...
Thanks for playing but BioWare KILLLED THE MAIN CHARACTER
as a means of DESIGN REDIRECTION
If they can kill the main character, and blow up his f@cking ship, they can do whatever they want and have.
If enough people want playable Wrex, there will be playable Wrex.
it really is that simple.
Garrus was necessary? I love the character but he was definitely not essential to either the main mission or a subplot.kraidy1117 wrote...
Azint wrote...
Same thing with Garrus, and to their credit, most people were happy with that. If they do the same with Wrex, I'm sure a lot of people would have fangasms. Myself included.kraidy1117 wrote...
If there is an outcry for it, Bioware will do it nuff said. Why do you think Tali was put in ME2? It was for her fanbase because she is not needed for the plot.
Don't know about Garrus, Garrus is needed for the plot kinda. The point is Wrex has a huge fanbase, so including him would be a smart choice, look at the reaction when Tali was comfirmed.
Garrus and Tali both play an equal amount to the plot. The game originally was going to give players free-rein over the dossiers, so anyone could have been recruited in any order. Their romance-paths even run parallel to another. Besides, along with Legion, Tali plays a major role in the quarian-geth conflict.kraidy1117 wrote...
Azint wrote...
Same thing with Garrus, and to their credit, most people were happy with that. If they do the same with Wrex, I'm sure a lot of people would have fangasms. Myself included.kraidy1117 wrote...
If there is an outcry for it, Bioware will do it nuff said. Why do you think Tali was put in ME2? It was for her fanbase because she is not needed for the plot.
Don't know about Garrus, Garrus is needed for the plot kinda. The point is Wrex has a huge fanbase, so including him would be a smart choice, look at the reaction when Tali was comfirmed.
Modifié par Azint, 28 mars 2010 - 03:46 .
Modifié par Xaijin, 28 mars 2010 - 03:46 .
crimzontearz wrote...
Xaijin wrote...
Thanks for playing but BioWare KILLLED THE MAIN CHARACTER
as a means of DESIGN REDIRECTION
If they can kill the main character, and blow up his f@cking ship, they can do whatever they want and have.
If enough people want playable Wrex, there will be playable Wrex.
it really is that simple.
are you trying to be dense?
Bioware killed Shepard but in 100% of the playthroughs Shepard comes back to life and has the same voiceactor so nothing has really changed
if Wrex dies (and remains dead which given ME2 is a given since Wreav takes his place) in any percentage of the playthroughs then voicing him and writing him as a major character becomes an unnecessary expense......ergo he is relegated as cameo -hence the fear that most of the ME2 crew will not be playable in ME3-
of course that is UNLESS bioware has the quads of telling people the following
"Sorry foks, if you played poorly or did not give a damn or worse you jumped into the trilogy only in chapter three you WILL HAVE LESS SQUADMATES as a reflection of your poor choices/laziness and will therefore get much less of the experience out of it. Again we are sorry but Choice/Consequence was the WHOLE POINT of the games"
but we all know EA would not allow it
Azint wrote...
Garrus and Tali both play an equal amount to the plot. The game originally was going to give players free-rein over the dossiers, so anyone could have been recruited in any order. Their romance-paths even run parallel to another. Besides, along with Legion, Tali plays a major role in the quarian-geth conflict.kraidy1117 wrote...
Azint wrote...
Same thing with Garrus, and to their credit, most people were happy with that. If they do the same with Wrex, I'm sure a lot of people would have fangasms. Myself included.kraidy1117 wrote...
If there is an outcry for it, Bioware will do it nuff said. Why do you think Tali was put in ME2? It was for her fanbase because she is not needed for the plot.
Don't know about Garrus, Garrus is needed for the plot kinda. The point is Wrex has a huge fanbase, so including him would be a smart choice, look at the reaction when Tali was comfirmed.
But that's not what this is about, to my knowledge, Wrex was one of the most popular characters in the first game. He does not re-join becauseunlike Garrus or Tali, he does have something to do.
Have you even played Mass Effect? The makers of the game have made all kinds of decisions that ****** people off in order to have a better game. Choosing a LI is a choice just like many other choices you make in the game. Last time I checked ME fans didn't like having all choices have the exact same outcome, This is like saying since Wrex mad a cameo on his homeworld every other character needs to do so.kraidy1117 wrote...
Delta095 wrote...
Xaijin wrote...
wrong, and also wrong. wreav can take his position temporarily and if there's a Krogan specific issue that needs an asswhooping applied to it, can use his properties and Krogan anims are built in.
Wreav hated Shepard's guts.
And for the other guy..
Wrex was the only squadmate in ME1 that you had to use special dialogue to keep alive. Ashley and Kaidan were a choice, so it'd be possible for them to be around. Anybody who dies in ME2 won't be in 3, unless you make a totally new character and since you have to make a new guy if yours dies in 2 [Which is only possible if everybody else dies], that would almost certainly mean that everybody is dead in 3 by default.
And LI? I'm tired, so I'm not following.
Stands for love intrest and if Bioware brings Liara and Ashley/Kaidan back as a squadmate they have to bring back Miri, Jacob, Tali, Garrus, Jack and Thane because they are all LI, some have huge fanbases and if one LI is in your squad they all need to be able to.
kraidy1117 wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
Xaijin wrote...
Thanks for playing but BioWare KILLLED THE MAIN CHARACTER
as a means of DESIGN REDIRECTION
If they can kill the main character, and blow up his f@cking ship, they can do whatever they want and have.
If enough people want playable Wrex, there will be playable Wrex.
it really is that simple.
are you trying to be dense?
Bioware killed Shepard but in 100% of the playthroughs Shepard comes back to life and has the same voiceactor so nothing has really changed
if Wrex dies (and remains dead which given ME2 is a given since Wreav takes his place) in any percentage of the playthroughs then voicing him and writing him as a major character becomes an unnecessary expense......ergo he is relegated as cameo -hence the fear that most of the ME2 crew will not be playable in ME3-
of course that is UNLESS bioware has the quads of telling people the following
"Sorry foks, if you played poorly or did not give a damn or worse you jumped into the trilogy only in chapter three you WILL HAVE LESS SQUADMATES as a reflection of your poor choices/laziness and will therefore get much less of the experience out of it. Again we are sorry but Choice/Consequence was the WHOLE POINT of the games"
but we all know EA would not allow it
Um question have you played DAO? DAO has only three people that are need for the plot. All the other squadmates are not needed, yet they where fully voiced, had there own quest, powers and so on. Yes many of them could be killed during the game. Bioware put Tali in the game, a character who you do not even need to recruit. What I am getting at it is posable that alot of gamers would never get say Wynns dialog if they kill her at the mages tower. So realy having Wrex as a SM is not far fechted and if thepeople realy want it, it will happen.
True they coudl but do you really think Bioware is going to do that to Wrex again? He was basically booted off the throne last time he tried to do that by his father. The only difference is that Wrex has managed to get further along in his plan to unite his people this time around. I doubt bioware is going to do the same thing to Wrex again. It would make the Krogan take a step back from their growth as a species.Xaijin wrote...
Odd, cause The Quarians could use Tali's brokering skills right now and she's on my ship. The Krogans could just as easily boot Wrex's ass off the throne for ANY REASON, and voila, Playable Wrex. Astounding how hard to fathom this is, after your MAIN CHARACTER got blown up and resurrected into a cyber zombie, but Wrex, NO WAY IT AM UNPOSSIBLE.
Azint wrote...
We really should stop bringing Garrus or Tali into this, especially Tali since many expect feint-flamewars approaching.
Base-line; Garrus and Tali are both fan-favorites, available in ME2, most people were happy. Wrex did not get this treatment, mixed reception. Just leave the former statement at that.
Modifié par Xaijin, 28 mars 2010 - 03:56 .
crimzontearz wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
Xaijin wrote...
Thanks for playing but BioWare KILLLED THE MAIN CHARACTER
as a means of DESIGN REDIRECTION
If they can kill the main character, and blow up his f@cking ship, they can do whatever they want and have.
If enough people want playable Wrex, there will be playable Wrex.
it really is that simple.
are you trying to be dense?
Bioware killed Shepard but in 100% of the playthroughs Shepard comes back to life and has the same voiceactor so nothing has really changed
if Wrex dies (and remains dead which given ME2 is a given since Wreav takes his place) in any percentage of the playthroughs then voicing him and writing him as a major character becomes an unnecessary expense......ergo he is relegated as cameo -hence the fear that most of the ME2 crew will not be playable in ME3-
of course that is UNLESS bioware has the quads of telling people the following
"Sorry foks, if you played poorly or did not give a damn or worse you jumped into the trilogy only in chapter three you WILL HAVE LESS SQUADMATES as a reflection of your poor choices/laziness and will therefore get much less of the experience out of it. Again we are sorry but Choice/Consequence was the WHOLE POINT of the games"
but we all know EA would not allow it
Um question have you played DAO? DAO has only three people that are need for the plot. All the other squadmates are not needed, yet they where fully voiced, had there own quest, powers and so on. Yes many of them could be killed during the game. Bioware put Tali in the game, a character who you do not even need to recruit. What I am getting at it is posable that alot of gamers would never get say Wynns dialog if they kill her at the mages tower. So realy having Wrex as a SM is not far fechted and if thepeople realy want it, it will happen.
not the same situation.... and ME had the same situation since you could play the whole game without wrex or garrus
ME2 and 3 are sequels
ME and DAO were the first games of the IP and a second playthrough would allow you to see other possibilities both in terms of recruiting and choices...with a sequel you must assume some people will not have played the original and will not play it in order to explore all the possibilities..... and therefore compromises need to be made
Well it was stated that players would be rewarded for what survivors they have, and for any who died, it would be the end of that.kraidy1117 wrote...
Azint wrote...
We really should stop bringing Garrus or Tali into this, especially Tali since many expect feint-flamewars approaching.
Base-line; Garrus and Tali are both fan-favorites, available in ME2, most people were happy. Wrex did not get this treatment, mixed reception. Just leave the former statement at that.
Also whats ironic is that Legion will be your party member no matter what because Geth do not die.Just the platform, and even tho Legion says he fails to send data to the Geth when he dies on the base, we don't know what he is talking about. Legion is very smart and I don't think he would not archive him self when he knows he is going into a suicide mission. If anything the data he was trying to send was most likely stuff from the Collector base.
Azint wrote...
Well it was stated that players would be rewarded for what survivors they have, and for any who died, it would be the end of that.kraidy1117 wrote...
Azint wrote...
We really should stop bringing Garrus or Tali into this, especially Tali since many expect feint-flamewars approaching.
Base-line; Garrus and Tali are both fan-favorites, available in ME2, most people were happy. Wrex did not get this treatment, mixed reception. Just leave the former statement at that.
Also whats ironic is that Legion will be your party member no matter what because Geth do not die.Just the platform, and even tho Legion says he fails to send data to the Geth when he dies on the base, we don't know what he is talking about. Legion is very smart and I don't think he would not archive him self when he knows he is going into a suicide mission. If anything the data he was trying to send was most likely stuff from the Collector base.
I would like to think Legion will be returning, because of all the new squadmates, he was by far the most fascinating, to me at least, and the most obviously down-played. Legion is Shepard's only contact with the geth, down-playing him even further in ME3 does seem like a really poor decision in many ways.
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