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kraidy1117 wrote...

So then by this logic then no one from ME2 including our LI should be SQ mates in ME2 >_>

This.

BioWare's writers set it up so that practically anyone can be dead in Mass Effect 3. And I know someone may argue with me again, but that includes Liara as well. BioWare could easily kill her off facing Nyxeris (if you failed her quest) or facing some other assistant of the Shadow Broker (if you succeeded with her quest).

The only advantage to this is the convenience in only having to worry about 2 voice actors coming back (Hale and Meer). Everyone else is disposable at this point.

And if EA continues to lose money (and The Old Republic doesn't do well), they can kill BioWare or some other company to 'increase' their profit margin.

Even BioWare itself isn't guaranteed to make it in ME3. :pinched:

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Which is principally why you NEVER sell the company until you're ready to retire. For reals.

Given EA's policy and methodologies and staffing philosophy, BioWare won't be BioWare forever, and the writing's already on the wall.

Happens every time, though, so it's not like it's anything new or never before seen.

Modifié par Xaijin, 28 mars 2010 - 04:24 .


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Xaijin wrote...

Which is principally why you NEVER sell the company until you're ready to retire. For reals.

Given EA's policy and methodologies and staffing philosophy, BioWare won't be BioWare forever, and the writing's already on the wall.

Happens every time, though, so it's not like it's anything new or never before seen.


Um, EA is letting Bioware have alot of freedome compared to other companys. Also Drew is still part of the ME writing team and was one of the lead writers in ME2 and he knows how the trilogy will end.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Um, EA is letting Bioware have alot of freedome compared to other companys. Also Drew is still part of the ME writing team and was one of the lead writers in ME2 and he knows how the trilogy will end.

I was just throwing it out there as a possibility...

...That was a joke.

Seriously speaking (and I don't mean to be pessimistic), but EA could do anything they wanted at any time.

http://en.wikipedia....andemic_Studios

In November 2005, it was announced that Pandemic and BioWare would be joining forces, with private equity fund Elevation Partners investing in the partnership. Both companies retained their brands and identities.

On October 11, 2007, it was announced that VG Holding Corp., the owners of Bioware and Pandemic Studios, would be acquired by Electronic Arts as of January 2008, subject to FTC approval.

In February 2009, their office in Brisbane, Australia was shut down.

In November 2009, Electronic Arts cut a total of 1500 jobs which affected various studios, including a complete shutdown of Pandemic. On November 17, 2009, EA officially confirmed Pandemic Studios' closure, laying off 228 employees.

EA executives are like Volus.

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Getting back to the topic of Wrex as playable in ME3. I like the character, but I don't expect him to be a squaddie in ME3. Few reasons:



He's king. Got king crap to deal with.

You have Grunt for the krogan perspective.

If you destroyed Maelon's data regarding the genophage, he might be a bit torked at you. If you didn't and saved it, then I could possibly see him joining you. Honestly though, I think that in ME3, you're going to be gathering "factions" at this point, and all these decisions we've made will have an impact on who's going to help you save the galaxy.

It makes me wonder what the default default is going to be, but that's another topic for another thread.

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The point is, making a character takes a lot of work, especially with the voice acting and recruitment/loyalty quests [Assuming they're coming back]. They simply wouldn't do that much work for a character that is less than 50% likely to be alive.


Unless ME3 is a massive 80+ hours feast I don't see every character having their own recruitment/loyalty quest. We did that in ME2, time to get more serious with the main story in ME3.

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one question:



why cant i get wrex back with another lazerouse project????????????????????????





also, this topic makes me want to cry. ilovewrex.

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"why cant i get wrex back with another lazerouse project????????????????????????"



LazerWrex Project anyone?

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Wrex's role in ME2 made perfect sense, besides him unifying the krogan is more important then simply having another body on Shepard's ship.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

I'm with the OP. In fact I don't think anybody, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, will return from ME1.


If they bring back one LI they have to bring them all back as squadmates. Not to do so would cause ALOT of harm.

I keep reading this statement from a lot of posters.  Your stating it as if it is fact when it is not.  It is an assumption. 

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Of course he can't. The default game of ME2 has Wrex lying in an unmarked grave.

The default deliberately leaves you in a bad spot. That does not count.

Yes it does count.  It counts when they are developing the game.  You may have saved Wrex in ME1, but did seeing him in ME2 affect your missions on Tuchanka? 

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Azint wrote...

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Of course he can't. The default game of ME2 has Wrex lying in an unmarked grave.

The default deliberately leaves you in a bad spot. That does not count.

Yes it does count.  It counts when they are developing the game.  You may have saved Wrex in ME1, but did seeing him in ME2 affect your missions on Tuchanka? 

So will ME3 default with the entire squad dead?

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Azint wrote...

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Of course he can't. The default game of ME2 has Wrex lying in an unmarked grave.

The default deliberately leaves you in a bad spot. That does not count.

Yes it does count.  It counts when they are developing the game.  You may have saved Wrex in ME1, but did seeing him in ME2 affect your missions on Tuchanka? 

So will ME3 default with the entire squad dead?

Don't know I can't say for sure, no one can except Bioware.  They all can be killed with the exception of Liara and either Ash/Kaiden depending on Shep's gender I believe.  I can only draw from what they have done in the ME series so far. 
IMO if they were killable then they are dead in the dafault.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 28 mars 2010 - 06:09 .


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I'd rather let them surprise us. But to chime in on the subject; I don't think Wrex will be able to re-join. Busy as seen.

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All that ME3 really needs is to be ultimately faithful to Mass Effect 1's origin story and to build off of the character's introduced in ME2, to a satisfying yet predictable conclusion. I for one hope that Bioware makes it a very serious challenge to actually save the universe from the Reaper's, and that most game decisions or lack of progress will cause a doomed galaxy scenario.

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Azint wrote...

I'd rather let them surprise us. But to chime in on the subject; I don't think Wrex will be able to re-join. Busy as seen.

Me niether.  If he is alive in your save file, then IMO he will do another cameo.  If he is dead in your save file or you don't have a save file, then he won't be there IMO.  As others have said though, Bioware can do what they want to do as long as they are in business.  I assume that they are going to try to follow some continuity though.

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All that ME3 really needs is to be ultimately faithful to Mass Effect 1's origin story and to build off of the character's introduced in ME2, to a satisfying yet predictable conclusion. I for one hope that Bioware makes it a very serious challenge to actually save the universe from the Reaper's, and that most game decisions or lack of progress will cause a doomed galaxy scenario.

I don't see this happening because none of the gamers' decisions have made a difference so far in regards to winning the game and accomplishing the missions.  Yeah the story is a little different, but the game has been linear so far.  Drawing from the previous 2 games, I don't see that changing in the 3rd IMO.

Edit:  That doesn't mean that I don't want it to happen though.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 28 mars 2010 - 06:24 .


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Personally I'd be annoyed if Wrex was a playable party member. It would majorly break continuity.

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Also do not forget that in a interview Bioware stated that they can go all out in ME 3 because they do not have to worry about moving over saves to ME 4. So the design time required to allow more choice is the real question.

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Personally I'd be annoyed if Wrex was a playable party member. It would majorly break continuity.

Yeah that would be weird. 
Mission update recruit Wrex on said planet.
Wait a minute, Wrex is dead.
No Bioware resurrected him through the Lazerous Project.
Oh ok, cool.
Wrex whaaaaaatttttssssuuuuppppppp?:o

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Also do not forget that in a interview Bioware stated that they can go all out in ME 3 because they do not have to worry about moving over saves to ME 4. So the design time required to allow more choice is the real question.

True, they have more flexibility because this is the last one.  It boils down to time and money, And in business, time is money.;)

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

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I'm with the OP. In fact I don't think anybody, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, will return from ME1.


If they bring back one LI they have to bring them all back as squadmates. Not to do so would cause ALOT of harm.

I keep reading this statement from a lot of posters.  Your stating it as if it is fact when it is not.  It is an assumption.

Since BioWare wants to keep the number of LIs equally available for both FemShepard and Shepard, they'd probably decide their roles and how they behave in pairs (like Ashley/Kaidan).

So, it's:

Garrus AND Tali

AND/OR

Miranda AND Jacob

AND/OR

Thane AND Jack

So none, two, four or all of those will return as squadmates.

Thane and Jack are the least likely, because it's suggested that either one can die before or during Mass Effect 3's main storyline (Thane of respiratory degeneration, Jack of respiratory degeneration).

Miranda and Jacob can have some weird excuse for quitting and get themselves killed by The Illusive Man, or they somehow run back to Cerberus, leaving Shepard.

Garrus and Tali are the most likely, BUT BioWare might take a chance and introduce a female Turian and/or a male Quarian squadmate.

Modifié par Ecael, 28 mars 2010 - 06:48 .


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Ecael wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

I'm with the OP. In fact I don't think anybody, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, will return from ME1.


If they bring back one LI they have to bring them all back as squadmates. Not to do so would cause ALOT of harm.

I keep reading this statement from a lot of posters.  Your stating it as if it is fact when it is not.  It is an assumption.

Since BioWare wants to keep the number of LIs equally available for both FemShepard and Shepard, they'd probably decide their roles and how they behave in pairs (like Ashley/Kaidan).

So, it's:

Garrus AND Tali

AND/OR

Miranda AND Jacob

AND/OR

Thane AND Jack

So none, two, four or all of those will return as squadmates.

Thane and Jack are the least likely, because it's suggested that either one can die before or during Mass Effect 3's main storyline (Thane of respiratory degeneration, Jack of respiratory degeneration).

Miranda and Jacob can have some weird excuse for quitting and get themselves killed by The Illusive Man, or they somehow run back to Cerberus, leaving Shepard.

Garrus and Tali are the most likely, BUT BioWare might take a chance and introduce a female Turian and/or a male Quarian squadmate.

I understand this.  You are not making your statement as if it is a fact though.  kraidy1117 is on the other hand.  Your statements also don't state that if one LI is a squadmate then that means they all are.  LI's, appearances, and squadmates are not the same thing. 

Edit:  It is possible that the player can still have his/her LI in the game and not have that LI as a squadmate.  There are no rules or laws that I am aware of,  that state that if 1 LI is a squadmate then they all are.  This is an assumption. ( this statement is not directed at you specifically Ecael) 

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 28 mars 2010 - 07:22 .


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My hope is that Commander Shep's carry over LI from ME2 will be auto-killed in the game. Sorta like a romantic tragedy. So whenever you liked a character from one of the games, going back, you'd be like I'd doom her if we fell in love!!

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My hope is that Commander Shep's carry over LI from ME2 will be auto-killed in the game. Sorta like a romantic tragedy. So whenever you liked a character from one of the games, going back, you'd be like I'd doom her if we fell in love!!

How sweet.:wub: