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[77boy84]

The point is, making a character takes a lot of work, especially with
the voice acting and recruitment/loyalty quests [Assuming they're coming
back]. They simply wouldn't do that much work for a character that is
less than 50% likely to be alive.

This is assuming that everyone only played one playthrough of ME1/ME2, and that less than half of all playthroughs had a living wrex, which I think is kind of a weird observation.

Wrex was the most popular squadmate in ME1, and people loved. I'm pretty sure most playthroughs have a living wrex. And he's only dead as the default because Bioware didn't want new players to be weirded out by wrex recognizing shepard and being all friendly with him.

[77boy84]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

The point is, making a character takes a lot of work, especially with
the voice acting and recruitment/loyalty quests [Assuming they're coming
back]. They simply wouldn't do that much work for a character that is
less than 50% likely to be alive.

This is assuming that everyone only played one playthrough of ME1/ME2, and that less than half of all playthroughs had a living wrex, which I think is kind of a weird observation.

Wrex was the most popular squadmate in ME1, and people loved. I'm pretty sure most playthroughs have a living wrex. And he's only dead as the default because Bioware didn't want new players to be weirded out by wrex recognizing shepard and being all friendly with him.

That last sentence of yours doesn't make since to me.  Going by that logic, the player would have also been weirded when Kaiden or Ash walked up to him/her on Horizon.  The player may have also been weirded by talking to Tali and Garrus. 

Some bits they just couldn't do it, sure. But I remember seeing a couple interviews where bioware said they wanted to minimize the "Hey, shepard, remember our adventures in the last game" moments for new players.

[KainrycKarr]

If Bioware/EA thinks the ME2 characters returning will make them more money, they WILL do it. Period.

[Ecael]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I understand this.  You are not making your statement as if it is a fact though.  kraidy1117 is on the other hand.  Your statements also don't state that if one LI is a squadmate then that means they all are.  LI's, appearances, and squadmates are not the same thing. 

Edit:  It is possible that the player can still have his/her LI in the game and not have that LI as a squadmate.  There are no rules or laws that I am aware of,  that state that if 1 LI is a squadmate then they all are.  This is an assumption. ( this statement is not directed at you specifically Ecael) 

No harm intended.

You have to agree though, pairing up those squadmates makes sense. While one returning doesn't mean the other five are (as kraidy1117 said - sorry kraidy!), there's good reason why one may be reliant on the other's return.

I think BioWare purposely set it up that way to make the decisions on returning characters and love interests in ME3 easier (Garrus and Tali both ME1 unkillable, Miranda and Jacob both ME2 Cerberus, Thane and Jack both ME2 and dying).

[Karstedt]

KainrycKarr wrote...

If Bioware/EA thinks the ME2 characters returning will make them more money, they WILL do it. Period.

And they fear the cult of Tali as much as everyone else, so she's a shoo in.

Modifié par Karstedt, 28 mars 2010 - 07:39 .

[Ecael]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

That last sentence of yours doesn't make since to me.  Going by that logic, the player would have also been weirded when Kaiden or Ash walked up to him/her on Horizon.  The player may have also been weirded by talking to Tali and Garrus. 

Actually, now that I think about it - what does happen to Wrex in a New Game of ME2?

If Wrex didn't die on Virmire, and Wreav is just going by word of mouth that Wrex died on Tuchanka, then couldn't they basically ret-con the default Shepard and have Wrex survive for ME3 regardless?

That means Wrex will really be alive in most playthroughs if they wanted it to happen.

EDIT: Sorry JohnnyDollar, quote tags and insomnia are not a good combination.:innocent:

Modifié par Ecael, 28 mars 2010 - 07:43 .

[Ecael]

Karstedt wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

If Bioware/EA thinks the ME2 characters returning will make them more money, they WILL do it. Period.

And they fear the cult of Tali as much as everyone else, so she's a shoo in.

They could always keep half the identities of the team secret and then make the player believe Tali will be found later in the game (but they don't).

Tali does not get recruited, Tali fans are infuriated, but they already bought and played through some of the game.

It's always a possibility.

Modifié par Ecael, 28 mars 2010 - 07:44 .

[TheLostGenius]

KainrycKarr wrote...

If Bioware/EA thinks the ME2 characters returning will make them more money, they WILL do it. Period.

If we knew that all of the characters from ME2 (playable besides Shep) will die in the sequel people would still buy it. Curious to see the tragedy, and curious to see the all new squad mates.

[Ecael]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

He is dead in default in ME2.  They can always do some far flung retcon though I suppose.  Anything is possible, I just don't see it myself though.

Yeah, ret-con is definitely possible if you import a default ME2 game. Wrex will only be dead in some ME1 imports. Regardless, there are only two variables BioWare has to worry about:

1. Wrex dead, Wreav is king in ME2
2. Wrex alive, he is king in ME2

The original poster of the thread believes that each method of resolving the argument is a variable, but only Wrex's survival is.

It would be nice if they expanded on all the potential backstory between Wrex and Aria T'Loak/Aleena, if that story happens to be true.

[Canned Bullets]

So yeah, just **** and whine about bringing back ME1 characters and you'll get your wish.

[KainrycKarr]

TheLostGenius wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

If Bioware/EA thinks the ME2 characters returning will make them more money, they WILL do it. Period.

If we knew that all of the characters from ME2 (playable besides Shep) will die in the sequel people would still buy it. Curious to see the tragedy, and curious to see the all new squad mates.

That's a big gamble. They stand to lose a lot with their fanbase by throwing away the favorites,as opposed to allowing for returnable squadmates via some extra resource use. BUT as you say its possible they might buy it anyway. This is the choice. Will Bioware call the fans bluff? I truthfully don't know myself, so I'm taking a wait and see before I decide if i end up buying the game.

So, again, it all boils down to what Bioware thinks will make them the most money. I don't hold that against them. They ARE profit company after all.

[Gocad]

TheLostGenius wrote...

My hope is that Commander Shep's carry over LI from ME2 will be auto-killed in the game. Sorta like a romantic tragedy. So whenever you liked a character from one of the games, going back, you'd be like I'd doom her if we fell in love!!

Fine with me....my Shep doesn't have a LI anyway. 

Always amusing to see how some here take optional events as set in stone....

[TheLostGenius]

KainrycKarr wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

If Bioware/EA thinks the ME2 characters returning will make them more money, they WILL do it. Period.

If we knew that all of the characters from ME2 (playable besides Shep) will die in the sequel people would still buy it. Curious to see the tragedy, and curious to see the all new squad mates.

That's a big gamble. They stand to lose a lot with their fanbase by throwing away the favorites,as opposed to allowing for returnable squadmates via some extra resource use. BUT as you say its possible they might buy it anyway. This is the choice. Will Bioware call the fans bluff? I truthfully don't know myself, so I'm taking a wait and see before I decide if i end up buying the game.

So, again, it all boils down to what Bioware thinks will make them the most money. I don't hold that against them. They ARE profit company after all.

Then can make a great game with very few returning characters. I thought many of the characters and their sullen pasts were a bit of burden on the game's story. More focused on the characters than the story. I'd like a return to form in storytelling in ME3, with less cop out BS plot twists. (Mutated Protheans was the lamest by far). Would be a pretty drastic start if a majority of the crew ends up dead, or at least half. I have no real attachment to any character in the game, the only one that I've really liked was Liara, would be nice to have her as a squad mate, she was such a powerful biotic. (Unlike the biotics in ME2, which are only powerful in cutscenes). Anyone can die, and many will.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that fact that Grunt is all around a better character than Wrex. Fans will be fans though...

[kraidy1117]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

I'm with the OP. In fact I don't think anybody, with the exception of Garrus and Tali, will return from ME1.

If they bring back one LI they have to bring them all back as squadmates. Not to do so would cause ALOT of harm.

I keep reading this statement from a lot of posters.  Your stating it as if it is fact when it is not.  It is an assumption. 

Sorry this is late, but I did not mean that you will be able to have all of them in your p[arty, but Bioware will most likely make all LI poseable squadmate and pairng would not make sence. I romanced Miri, but i want Garrus. If he is a squadmate,but only if hes a LI that would be lame so I don't see why pairing have to be needed. Also lets say Tali, Garrus, Liara, Kaidan/Ashley are squadmates and Miri, Thane, Jack and Jacob are not and there romance plot is poorly done. There will be alot of complaints. Thats what I ment by that. All LI have to be poseable squadmates.

[Ecael]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that fact that Grunt is all around a better character than Wrex. Fans will be fans though...

Grunt may have the superior voice actor (Steven Blum), but Wrex's age makes him much more wise and interesting than Grunt. Shepard can learn a lot more about the Krogan from Wrex, while Grunt basically ignores the genophage and keeps fighting for Shepard's sake.