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[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

addiction21 wrote...

Will there be waffles?

The waffle schtick stoped being funny about 400 posts ago just so ya know.

[RhedmondBarry]

Could we terraform Mars? Yes, we are basically doing it to our own planet now with global warming and greenhouse gasses. Just amp the process by a couple thousand if not hundreds of thousands and in a few centuries we might have a hospitable planet in Mars.

The question is would it be practical to terraform Mars? That answer is no. It has very limited resources and lies within the same solar system that if a supernova or someother large scale cosmic event happened both planets would be wiped out. And our economies would've been strained to terraform a planet, that wasn't even that productive, all for nothing. In my opinion we need to push beyond our solar system to terraform a planet to ensure the future of humanity. Will this happen? It's a far off distance away and I am skeptcial while trying to remain hopeful.

And a few centuries or even a millenia in Earth time is equivelant to a few nano seconds Universal time. So while terraforming might discourage the pessimists out there, who say "it doesn't matter, it would take too long and we'd never see it" you are missing the point of your existence. You are finite, just a building block for the future. Serve your role and advance humanity or drag it down.  I'd like to state I am a realist, so I don't get any backlash qoutes like "a pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist."

Modifié par RhedmondBarry, 28 mars 2010 - 11:36 .

[Dethateer]

yowave wrote...

Nice and all but it'll take a long time to get there!
With our current tech lol i bet it'll take somewhere around 1000 years.
Ya'll think it's easy to fly in space? You can't turn over so easely! there is no friction so to be able to turn you need burst engienes at the side of the ship.
And even if you turn you need equal and exact power to stop you from keep turning, unless you like to be in a carousel .

Except that actually flying to another spatial body involves less turning and more pre-launch trajectory calculations to ensure you get there while expending as little fuel as possible.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You are aware that BioWare is a Canadian company, right?

Very much so.

[Orfinn]

KotOREffecT wrote...

There was a show about this recently on the Science channel about terraforming Mars and how it could be done. It was pretty indepth, and at the most they said we could start to see the effects of terraforming in within a hundred to a couple hundred years.

Crap! And Im dead by then.... Well at least I hope we humans get get the stick out of our asses and start colonizing the moon at least, I bet Luna has alot of valuable minerals to be used in the industry, right? But its kinda a far-shot since financing mining operations would to "expensive". Bogus I say, I bet its because of laziness and having the otherwise brilliant minds lost in the mud of religion and oil activities.

[ace1221]

Orfinn wrote...

KotOREffecT wrote...

There was a show about this recently on the Science channel about terraforming Mars and how it could be done. It was pretty indepth, and at the most they said we could start to see the effects of terraforming in within a hundred to a couple hundred years.

Crap! And Im dead by then.... Well at least I hope we humans get get the stick out of our asses and start colonizing the moon at least, I bet Luna has alot of valuable minerals to be used in the industry, right? But its kinda a far-shot since financing mining operations would to "expensive". Bogus I say, I bet its because of laziness and having the otherwise brilliant minds lost in the mud of religion and oil activities.

The moon has quite a large supply of He3, a critical component of most fusion reactors (some use deuterium and tritium). The sci-fi film Moon which recently came out on DVD covers this to some extent (watch it if you havent already)

as for resources on mars, it basically has the same geological make-up as earth (nickel iron mix with change), albeit it has no oil (for obvious reasons) and large quantities of substances made through pressure (ie diamonds). Of course, this is only what i have learnt through my planetary astronomy course i am taking at uni atm, so chances are things could change once we learn more about our red brother.

Despite the possibility of large mineral resources existing on Mars, the largest resource it has which earth is quickly running out of and we can no longer manufacture is land. Land for population growth, industry etc. We need this land. The population of the earth has increased by 100% since WW2. we are quickly running out of room. Where will our children's children live?

[Captain Crash]

Still Sci-Fi



Why spend $10 trillion on an experiment when there is enough issues on Earth.

[ModerateOsprey]

Captain Crash wrote...

Still Sci-Fi

Why spend $10 trillion on an experiment when there is enough issues on Earth.

There are certainly lots of need to start or beef up research in space exploration, specifically mining. China currently controls 90% of the stock of our planet's rare earth elements. These are used in all our computers and gadgets, among other things. Our requirements for these things can only become more demanding.

Many asteroids and planets contain a huge amount of these materials - more than we would need to keep pace with our current consumption for millions of years. Setting up bases on our closest neighbours in space, with a view to making these more permanent, seems to me, a very sensible thing to do.

[ImperialOperative]

This is outside of all of our lifetimes.  So no, it's not "just around the corner."

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 28 mars 2010 - 02:10 .

[ModerateOsprey]

ImperialOperative wrote...

This is outside of all of our lifetimes.  So no, it's not "just around the corner."

I think the OP was being metaphorical and it is not a given that it is outside of our life times. Certainly setting up the fundamentals isn't.

An awful lot of scientific research programmes don't measure results within a single human lifespan in any event.

[ImperialOperative]

ModerateOsprey wrote...

I think the OP was being metaphorical and it is not a given that it is outside of our life times. Certainly setting up the fundamentals isn't.

An awful lot of scientific research programmes don't measure results within a single human lifespan in any event.

I know that, but on a Human scale that is a hell of a long way to go.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 28 mars 2010 - 02:28 .

[ModerateOsprey]

ImperialOperative wrote...

ModerateOsprey wrote...

I think the OP was being metaphorical and it is not a given that it is outside of our life times. Certainly setting up the fundamentals isn't.

An awful lot of scientific research programmes don't measure results within a single human lifespan in any event.

I know that, but on a Human scale that is a hell of a long way to go.

Aye. doubt I'll see it 

[Collider]

WrexEffex wrote...
The Earth was made over a billion years ago. Dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago. Terraforming can become a reality within 100 to 1000 years.
No **** it isn't around the corner personally, you'll be dead before terraforming happens.

My god some people are shallow on here.

I'm being shallow because I don't think it's around the corner? Do you realize it's just semantics? I know human history is comparatively a few seconds of length compared to the age of earth. Don't be so abrasive.

Modifié par Collider, 28 mars 2010 - 08:47 .

[Skalman91]

Where's that damn live forever elixir they promised they'd invent!

[Canned Bullets]

Captain Crash wrote...

Still Sci-Fi

Why spend $10 trillion on an experiment when there is enough issues on Earth.

Yeah it would probably be cheaper to try and design starships capable of traveling to other areas of the Milky Way.

[yowave]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

yowave wrote...

Nice and all but it'll take a long time to get there!
With our current tech lol i bet it'll take somewhere around 1000 years.
Ya'll think it's easy to fly in space? You can't turn over so easely! there is no friction so to be able to turn you need burst engienes at the side of the ship.
And even if you turn you need equal and exact power to stop you from keep turning, unless you like to be in a carousel .

How about we land on the Moon first? Just as a test?

Oh, wait...

I am talking about war ships .
And besides we won't be able to colonize any other planet in the next 1000+ years from now lol.

[Dethateer]

Why would we need space warships?

[yowave]

Dethateer wrote...

Why would we need space warships?

For fun?

[RyrineaNara]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel' face palms, You do now that Bush's little project to go to the moon had cost 9 billion dollars, and they had gone over budget. http://news.bbc.co.u...ure/8489097.stm They already had spent 9 billion dollars on this project which went over budget..... That is why he cut the contulion project, since  they were spending way to much money that we would need to brorow from other countrys. However, Obama did raise Nasa's budget for expolartion. In which, I do apprect that he raised their budget, since I think Humantiy needs to get off this rock.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 28 mars 2010 - 07:00 .

[HandOfJudg3m3nt]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD!!! They better find the coordinates for the Charon relay

You do realize tha "Charon" is a satelite (read "moon") orbiting Pluto and that we KNOW the coordinates?

[Chuvvy]

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Still Sci-Fi

Why spend $10 trillion on an experiment when there is enough issues on Earth.

There are certainly lots of need to start or beef up research in space exploration, specifically mining. China currently controls 90% of the stock of our planet's rare earth elements. These are used in all our computers and gadgets, among other things. Our requirements for these things can only become more demanding.

Many asteroids and planets contain a huge amount of these materials - more than we would need to keep pace with our current consumption for millions of years. Setting up bases on our closest neighbours in space, with a view to making these more permanent, seems to me, a very sensible thing to do.

Dude those chinks are ****ing sneaky they went around and bought up all the copper mines over a few years and now they control everything.

[sorrowandsadness]

One of my favourite vids on TED:

Joel Levine: Why we need to go back to Mars


At TEDxNASA, planetary scientist Joel Levine shows some intriguing --  and puzzling -- new discoveries about Mars: craters full of ice, traces  of ancient oceans, and compelling hints at the presence, sometime in the  past, of life. He makes the case for going back to Mars to find out  more.

Modifié par sorrowandsadness, 28 mars 2010 - 07:33 .

[ntw17]

did u guys read the report that was originally posted? it siad there would be results with in 50 years. sustainable life. pressure normal but oxygen required.



in addition it is most likely that space exploration/colonization/terraforming will go to the private sector and not the gov. The private sector is exploding in that area already. NASA is only king because it has tax payer money behind it.

[ntw17]

gov control or at least regulation would probably occur after the private sector does it.



oh yes and the last 2000 years of recorded history are only ehat about 40-60 generations? maybe more maybe less. thats not that many.

[Zigaroma]

monkeycamoran wrote...

So, that means it's only a matter of time before we find the Charon relay?

So wait...does that mean ME is just getting us ready for the reapers!