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[Sigma Tauri]

Zigaroma wrote...
So wait...does that mean ME is just getting us ready for the reapers!

Maybe. Shepard could be descended from an ME player.

[RyrineaNara]

HandOfJudg3m3nt wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD!!! They better find the coordinates for the Charon relay

You do realize tha "Charon" is a satelite (read "moon") orbiting Pluto and that we KNOW the coordinates?

Their has been some speculation that Charon is actually a dwarf not a moon. However, I highly doubt Charon is the relay in question  I believe the 2060 Chiron  asteriod is the mass relay, since the orbit is really strange compared to other comets, and Asteroids.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 28 mars 2010 - 09:27 .

[Tazzmission]

gmartin40 wrote...

Scientists and NASA want to terraform Mars. Looks like were not so far from the events happening in the ME universe.

its already been done.... i believe it was called project stargate and im not joking either.

[Tazzmission]

gmartin40 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

Scientists and NASA want to terraform Mars. Looks like were not so far from the events happening in the ME universe.

its already been done.... i believe it was called project stargate and im not joking either.

Project Stargate was the code name for aproject by the CIA and military  to "psychically "see" events, sites, or information"
from a great distance. Has nothing to do with terraforming planets.

im sorry it was project serpo....  it may sound a bit fantasy but i wouldnt doubt it. turned out it wasnt mars but zeta reticuli

[enigma1337]

Why does everyone pick Mars as the "obvious" choice for Terraforming? Seriously, if we are gonna terraform a planet in our solar system to see if we can do it, why not Venus?



Seriously, most of the time it is closer to the Earth than the Earth is to Mars. It's way closer to Earth normal gravity (9/10ths as opposed to less than 1/2) and the atmospheric/temperature issue is about the same magnitude as mars but in a different direction (Pressure cooker as oppposed to low pressure freezer).

[Tazzmission]

enigma1337 wrote...

Why does everyone pick Mars as the "obvious" choice for Terraforming? Seriously, if we are gonna terraform a planet in our solar system to see if we can do it, why not Venus?

Seriously, most of the time it is closer to the Earth than the Earth is to Mars. It's way closer to Earth normal gravity (9/10ths as opposed to less than 1/2) and the atmospheric/temperature issue is about the same magnitude as mars but in a different direction (Pressure cooker as oppposed to low pressure freezer).

the moon is where we should really start fitst since  moon bases were indeed found there back in the 60's on the darkside of the moon.. my source is edgar mitchel who was the last man to walk on the moon. and buzz aldrin stated theres a monolith on the moon as well

[ObserverStatus]

I wonder if they can terraform Australia or the Sahara.

[RyrineaNara]

Tazzmission wrote...

enigma1337 wrote...

Why does everyone pick Mars as the "obvious" choice for Terraforming? Seriously, if we are gonna terraform a planet in our solar system to see if we can do it, why not Venus?

Seriously, most of the time it is closer to the Earth than the Earth is to Mars. It's way closer to Earth normal gravity (9/10ths as opposed to less than 1/2) and the atmospheric/temperature issue is about the same magnitude as mars but in a different direction (Pressure cooker as oppposed to low pressure freezer).

the moon is where we should really start fitst since  moon bases were indeed found there back in the 60's on the darkside of the moon.. my source is edgar mitchel who was the last man to walk on the moon. and buzz aldrin stated theres a monolith on the moon as well

Tazz I wouldn't beleive anything Edgar Mitchel says, and I'm a conpriscy theroist myself. I'd never heard of the Buzz Aldrin one that was confrimed fake. Oh and project Spero don't make me laugh thoese were proven to be false.....

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 29 mars 2010 - 12:22 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

If cybernetics and stem cell research can evolve to a point where we can extend the human life expectancy span then yes we can live to see mars terraformed.

[treesnogger]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

If cybernetics and stem cell research can evolve to a point where we can extend the human life expectancy span then yes we can live to see mars terraformed.

I agree, but this won't happen in our lifespan. I guess, in 100 years atleast (if the human kind is still alive and not nuclear waste) this could happen. A bit earlier, with more money available for the scientist maybe.
But even if this would have been "invented" before, we couldn't afford this. It will be super expensive and so on.

And as much as I like to see space faring in a more bigger way in future, it won't happen I fear. To many issues with politics, ressources etc. It's just too expensive to throw things in space with our current systems (rockets etc.) so I lay my hopes in the fusion reactor...

A different way of colonizing space could be Von Neumann Probes (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_machine).

Modifié par treesnogger, 29 mars 2010 - 12:56 .

[PARAGON87]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel' face palms, You do now that Bush's little project to go to the moon had cost 9 billion dollars, and they had gone over budget. http://news.bbc.co.u...ure/8489097.stm They already had spent 9 billion dollars on this project which went over budget..... That is why he cut the contulion project, since  they were spending way to much money that we would need to brorow from other countrys. However, Obama did raise Nasa's budget for expolartion. In which, I do apprect that he raised their budget, since I think Humantiy needs to get off this rock.

Dude, we were on the Moon over 40 years ago, and haven't gone back since.  We are overdue to go to Mars, and frankly the fact that Obama is delaying the process of the Constellation Project and enacting a so-called Mars Project is partisan BS for "ain't gonna happen".  So what if it's over budget, it is going to cost a lot of money to go to the Moon, and many times that to go to Mars.

Frankly, the Moon is a stepping stone to Mars.  We need to learn how to function in an alien environment, yet still be closer to home.  The Moon is that place.  We can't go from Earth to Mars in one fell swoop.  Thats like learning how to run after skipping learning how to walk.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 29 mars 2010 - 01:01 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

I don't know about that I mean extending live comes down to keeping brain cells alive longer or being able to grow new ones, keeping muscle and skin tissue and bones from degenerating, preventing organ failure, protecting against disease. These are all things that can make sudden advances within the next decade or so through application of learned science. stem cells can mimic other cells, in effect stem cells could keep the brain living indefinitely. If you can suddenly increase human life and muscle strength the ammount of things a single human being can accomplish in a lifetime will increase exponentially as well. If you can live for 300 years then the concept of spending 20 building a settlement and a "spaceport" on mars becomes a lot less of a "you'd have to be crazy to agree to do that" sorta thing.

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 29 mars 2010 - 02:08 .

[ace1221]

and yet with my normal life span i would give anything (even my non-existent first-born child) to be part of the first team of colonists on mars.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Idealy. the only problem is that it's way worse than going to the moon. like 8 months going there, indeterminate amount of time spent there building the colony, then 8 months going back, and you probably won't actually finish the colony in that initial trip.


have fun staring at nothing but stars for the better part of two years. (provided nothing goes wrong and you don't DIE HORRIBLY) :T!!

Edit: and if there's anything colonization has tought us in history is that without fast, rapid communication then civil war and seperation occurs.  can you IMAGINE being at war with colonists on planet mars?  How INSANE that would be yet entirely possible given human nature?  Remember when europeans sailed across an ocean for the better half of a year to build colonies in america and then they got pissed at europe and said "screw you guys"?  What makes you think that WOULDN'T happen with mars?  I would be interested in a list of colonies that DIDNT try to rebel or sever ties with thier home nation.  (Doesn't count if it doesn't take crossing an OCEAN to get to the colony.)  

How fast is communication with rovers on planet mars?

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 29 mars 2010 - 02:42 .

[ace1221]

time delay mars to earth is about 30 min return (question response time), nothing like the 3 months of the american war of independence.

[Ecael]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Edit: and if there's anything colonization has tought us in history is that without fast, rapid communication then civil war and seperation occurs.  can you IMAGINE being at war with colonists on planet mars?  How INSANE that would be yet entirely possible given human nature?  Remember when europeans sailed across an ocean for the better half of a year to build colonies in america and then they got pissed at europe and said "screw you guys"?  What makes you think that WOULDN'T happen with mars?  I would be interested in a list of colonies that DIDNT try to rebel or sever ties with thier home nation.  (Doesn't count if it doesn't take crossing an OCEAN to get to the colony.) 

Mars isn't covered with a diverse set of natural resources, and terraforming it would require even more resources.

If colonists or soldiers on Mars mutinied against Earth, the people of Earth could simply wait until they all died out to start a new one.

[ace1221]

Ecael wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Edit: and if there's anything colonization has tought us in history is that without fast, rapid communication then civil war and seperation occurs.  can you IMAGINE being at war with colonists on planet mars?  How INSANE that would be yet entirely possible given human nature?  Remember when europeans sailed across an ocean for the better half of a year to build colonies in america and then they got pissed at europe and said "screw you guys"?  What makes you think that WOULDN'T happen with mars?  I would be interested in a list of colonies that DIDNT try to rebel or sever ties with thier home nation.  (Doesn't count if it doesn't take crossing an OCEAN to get to the colony.) 

Mars isn't covered with a diverse set of natural resources, and terraforming it would require even more resources.

If colonists or soldiers on Mars mutinied against Earth, the people of Earth could simply wait until they all died out to start a new one.

died out from what exactly?

[Sigma Tauri]

ace1221 wrote...
died out from what exactly?

Guess.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Ecael wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Edit: and if there's anything colonization has tought us in history is that without fast, rapid communication then civil war and seperation occurs.  can you IMAGINE being at war with colonists on planet mars?  How INSANE that would be yet entirely possible given human nature?  Remember when europeans sailed across an ocean for the better half of a year to build colonies in america and then they got pissed at europe and said "screw you guys"?  What makes you think that WOULDN'T happen with mars?  I would be interested in a list of colonies that DIDNT try to rebel or sever ties with thier home nation.  (Doesn't count if it doesn't take crossing an OCEAN to get to the colony.) 

Mars isn't covered with a diverse set of natural resources, and terraforming it would require even more resources.

If colonists or soldiers on Mars mutinied against Earth, the people of Earth could simply wait until they all died out to start a new one.

That would be committing a human attrocity and we wouldn't REALLY be able to "simply do that".  Also let's assume this is decades upon decades upon centuries later when mars has actually been settled comfortably enough to be self-sustaining (also we won't really know what resources mars may or may not have until we mine the planet.  For all we know we might find something better than Uranium and Thorium under the surface that could solve our free energy woes.) 

Obviously a Colony won't rebel if they aren't capable of sustaining themselves, also they'd need a fairly large population for something like this to become an innevitable problem.  A few thousand people can't rebel against a nation but millions of generation-born Marsians (I don't think Martian is the proper term to use here...) would probably feel detached from Earth, which through generations could manifest into a total dissinterest and such.  The biggest problem the american colonies had in relation with europe wasn't exactly the over taxation, but the fact that it took about 8 months for word to travel and anything to be DONE about the situation.  By the time the king responded america had already worked past said problem and was onto something else that this new solution totally spit in the face of.  Slow communication is the surest way to rebellion the larger a colony gets.

I really think disconnect between worlds is one of the biggest problems colonization can face.  Mass Effect dodges this pretty well like most scifi do by just giving ships the ability to move SUPER FAST through space (galaxy to galaxy in a matter of days) and have INSTANT TRANSMISSION from ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE which unfortunately can't work out like that in real colonization

[Nwalmenil]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

If you want an excellent trilogy on a hypothetical terraforming of Mars, I strongly reccomend Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars books. It covers alot of possible political and financial scenerios associated with the exploration and business side of such a task. A great series if any of you have the time.

I'll have to second that.. incredible books.

Think I might have to re-read them soon, it's been probably ten years or so since read them.

[ModerateOsprey]

Nwalmenil wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

If you want an excellent trilogy on a hypothetical terraforming of Mars, I strongly reccomend Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars books. It covers alot of possible political and financial scenerios associated with the exploration and business side of such a task. A great series if any of you have the time.

I'll have to second that.. incredible books.

Think I might have to re-read them soon, it's been probably ten years or so since read them.

I'll third that. I really enjoyed them as well:)