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[Solomen]

I keep seeing people post that the military doesn't use melee fighting.  Really?  I guess all that training with an asp and hand to hand takedown was a figment of my imagination then...  I guess my mess kit really can't be used as an improvised weapon... I guess the stock of an M16 doesn't make a very good club in an emergency.

[Weiser_Cain]

To be fair, what are you going to do to a Krogan?

[Keltoris]

Yes.

And for this we have the melee button.

What more do you want? Vibroswords?

If there are swords then they'll only be useful at point blank as a replacement for the current melee

Then people will complain they can't use just swords and there aren't enough upgrades.

Then Bioware will just remake KotOR to shut people up.

Modifié par Keltoris, 28 mars 2010 - 08:29 .

[Weiser_Cain]

I would support some sort of powered device on the forearm, like a katana or a guillotine on a piston. Anything less is probably going to have trouble getting through Turian armor.

[Karstedt]

Keltoris wrote...

Then Bioware will just remake KotOR to shut people up.

I wish. But seriously, how about a bayonet at least? I'll stab em' with my stabby stabby!

[Solomen]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

To be fair, what are you going to do to a Krogan?

Personally I'd hit a krogan on the back of the knee and use my shoulder to topple it, then switch to the shotgun and unload on its face while its down.  

[Mcjon01]

The only rational answer to this line of thought is chainsaw gauntlets.

[Keltoris]

Mcjon01 wrote...

The only rational answer to this line of thought is chainsaw gauntlets.

While ohrribly overpowered in Champions Online, they are foiled by...

[DaVanguard]

Mcjon01 wrote...

The only rational answer to this line of thought is chainsaw gauntlets.

 40K style?

[enormousmoonboots]

I would support some sort of powered device on the forearm, like a katana or a guillotine on a piston. Anything less is probably going to have trouble getting through Turian armor.

I hear bullets are pretty good at getting through armor.



Though I was disappointed that melee was changed from its hilariously broken ME1 incarnation (boost your melee with armor mods and you can send any enemy your size or smaller FLYING), I wouldn't want the game to get an actual melee component. Maybe a few more animations (though I do have a fondness for Shepard's Elbow of Death), but that's it.

[Solomen]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

I would support some sort of powered device on the forearm, like a katana or a guillotine on a piston. Anything less is probably going to have trouble getting through Turian armor.

I hear bullets are pretty good at getting through armor.

Though I was disappointed that melee was changed from its hilariously broken ME1 incarnation (boost your melee with armor mods and you can send any enemy your size or smaller FLYING), I wouldn't want the game to get an actual melee component. Maybe a few more animations (though I do have a fondness for Shepard's Elbow of Death), but that's it.

The vanguard really needs more melee options besides elbow elbow elbow.   Even gun kata would be preferable up close and personal

[Solomen]

Shandepared wrote...

I thought the purpose of that melee fighting wasn't so much to teach recruits how to kill with a stick so much as it was to teach them aggression.

I was Aux. security force.  We had to be able to use nonlethal force when it was required.  We also had to be able to escalate to lethal when given clearance.   There are situations when you just can't use a gun so you need to improvise

[lastpawn]

I suppose retractable forearm blade melee. I do not support a serious melee component to ME3.

[Jagri]

Bayonet/Combat Knife/Surival Knife would make sense in a military setting and would be a basic part of any survival kit one would think N7 operatives would carry in the field. If Shepard's punches are relatively so powerful to have a knife using the same amount of force jamming a blade into a charging enemies head isn't so far fetched. Not to mention it would be neat for the Vanguard charge.

[Solomen]

lastpawn wrote...

I suppose retractable forearm blade melee. I do not support a serious melee component to ME3.

It doesn't make sense for Shepard to not have some form of melee fighting besides the elbow.  The vanguard is built for melee but lacks the skill.

[Computron2000]

Nothing that requires a weapon change animation. The elbow smash is ok but why is Shepard elbow smashing someone on the ground? A change to a kick animation would be good enough.



For extra cool factor, randomize the punch used to



Top body (enemy standing)

Elbow smash

Knee assault

Rifle butt uppercut



Lower body (enemy on the ground)

Kick

Stomp

Downward rifle butt

[Raygereio]

Solomen wrote...
I guess the stock of an M16 doesn't make a very good club in an emergency.

To be honest, I wasn't aware of some hand-to-hand-combat-controversy on these forums, but you said it yourself here: "in an emergency". Yeah, close combat skills are necesary as there will be situations that can't be solved by shooting at it.
Then again, there is a difference between having those skills as a back up in case of an emergency and bumrushing the enemy as if you are charging a jedi with your vibrosword or are a Warhammer 40K space marine.

Solomen wrote...
It doesn't make sense for Shepard to not have some form of melee fighting besides the elbow.  The vanguard is built for melee but lacks the skill.

It makes perfect sense to me. If I had the option between puching a shielded and armoured opponent and shotgunning them in the face at point black. I'd go with the latter.

[Aradace]

Solomen wrote...

I keep seeing people post that the military doesn't use melee fighting.  Really?  I guess all that training with an asp and hand to hand takedown was a figment of my imagination then...  I guess my mess kit really can't be used as an improvised weapon... I guess the stock of an M16 doesn't make a very good club in an emergency.

Im ex-infantry so anyone that tells you that we DONT CQC in the military is wrong wrong wrong.  Our CQC training consists alot of Juijitsu with grecan roman wrestling.  And some basic Judo as well.  We are also trained in the fine art of the "E-tool"  For those of you that DONT know what an E-tool is, it's basically a shovel that can double as an emergency weapon when needed.  Also, we have our trusty M-16's (Or M-4 in my case since M-16 was too big for me lol) and can use them VERY effeciently at close quarters.  Some of us also carried a basic knife of some sort on our person.  I personally carried mine in a horizontal sheath on the back of my belt. 

Sooooooooooooooo, again, ANYONE that says Military doesnt use "melee" tactics of any kind are sorely, SORELY mistaken and obviously have no idea what they're talking about.  Solomen, seems to actually get it however

[Karstedt]

People who play games but have never learned about actual combat often believe that guns are best, all the time no matter what.



I would just run away shooting at you when you pull your knife and u would die! [/imitation of those ignorant of combat]

[Tlazolteotl]

Even Tali wears a knife.

Just waitin' for her to use it.

[Reclusiarch]

- Melee works in Warhammer 40k, but I'm not so sure it would fit in the Mass Effect universe!

My take on melee weapons is this: If the body armour is good enough to protect from ranged firepower but can be cut through by specialized melee weapons, then it would work. Otherwise closing the distance to the opponent would be futile and a ranged weapon would be better!

Modifié par WinterJedi, 28 mars 2010 - 09:48 .

[Wildecker]

Apparently training in melee combat is reserved for careers that actually expect you to get up close & personal at times. I was a tank gunner, friends of mine served in artillery and as navy personnel, and none of us received advice on how to kill someone with bare hands, knifes or spades.

Firing SMGs and the occasional exercise with your pal Mr. Grenade where as close as it got for me.

[adam_grif]

Solomen wrote... I guess the stock of an M16 doesn't make a very good club in an emergency.

Compared to some guns, it doesn't. The stock is not particularly weighty, as opposed to something like an AK with a hardwood stock or any given WW2 rifle.

As for melee combat, it's a "last option only" thing. They teach it to you because it might come in handy, but it is extremely rare for it to be the deciding factor in anything. The US military has recently been discussing ditching bayonet drills for this reason - it's so rare that it's useful. The old guard are furious that they're even entertaining the idea of course (because they're afraid of change).