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[DaBigDragon]

I think the planet Klencory from ME1 will play a role, along with Dark Energy.

[Nightwriter]

Vaenier wrote...

Here is a thought: What if their will be no boss battle, no Shepard gunning through a reaper on foot, but instead it would be completely an epic cutscene space battle. You are the fleet admiral, directing the ships around, trying to take out the Reapers.

Oh, I wanted to captain a ship during one space battle - just one! That would be so cool for me. I've wanted to stand on a bridge giving orders since I was a little girl.

"Fire phasers!"

Garrus: "What? Phasers? I hope you mean the thanix cannon... which still isn't calibrated...."

"Divert auxillary life support power to forward shields, Number One!"

Joker: "Why do you keep calling me that? I told you, I don't have to go number one, I went two hours ago."

"Engage!"

Miranda: "Engage what?"

"Make it so!"

Jacob: "Make what so? What the hell is wrong with you?"

"Quiet, Jordy! And where the hell is your visor? Hail Starfleet! Tell them we are engaged with the Romulans! Brace for impact!"

Miranda: "Commander, those are elcor trading vessels."

"Silence!! I am the captain of the USS Enterprise!!! My five year mission, to boldly go - "

Dr. Chakwas: "I think the Commander appears to be suffering adverse affects from overexposure to the derelict Reaper ship. His mental functions may have been compromised. Perhaps we should - "

"Silence, Dr. Crusher! Return to your post in sickbay! I am Captain of the USS Enterprise!! Data, man the tactical ops!!"

Legion: "Shepard-Commander. We do not understand this designation."

"Shepard to Engineering! We need more power!!"

Donnelly: "We're givin' 'er all she's got, Captain!"

Modifié par Nightwriter, 28 mars 2010 - 02:36 .

[Tlazolteotl]

Don't forget the Asari reaper that TIM makes with the collector base.

What?

[jxd73]

When the Reapers get to council space, it would've taken so long and they ended up losing their tech edge.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

We won't, i think the whole point of me3 is to stop the reaper fleet from entering the galaxy, but then who would be the main enemy?

[Skalman91]

Vaenier wrote...

Here is a thought: What if their will be no boss battle, no Shepard gunning through a reaper on foot, but instead it would be completely an epic cutscene space battle. You are the fleet admiral, directing the ships around, trying to take out the Reapers.

This would be epic!

[Zulu_DFA]

OP, you worry too much. TIM will come up with something.

[Mcjon01]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

OP, you worry too much. TIM will come up with something.

I'm sure TIM's idea of a "good plan" for defeating the Reapers involves making an even bigger and badder race of immortal machine gods, programming so that they want to kill everything and not just organics, and then pointing them in the Reapers' direction.

Then when that blows up in his face, he'll just claim that the Project Killemall cell went rogue, and that he can't be held liable for the destruction of all things.

[HomicidialFrog]

Kaakuna wrote...

Thanix cannon and other upgrades from sovereign.
Tech from collector base (blasted renegades)
All council and non-council races (geth and rachni depending on your choices)

And dont make conclusions based on what Sovereign was. He was vanguard.
For all we know he/it might have been one the most heavily armored and equipped since he/it had to stay behind to deal with possible problems (come on, reapers aint THAT arrogant)

What if half of the ships are just tools to create more reapers or act as fuel tanks in dark space. While possible that they are all warships, it's not definite.

This, technology has really improved in the last two years, to the point of making ships that rival tough Collector ships or weaker Reapers.

Plus if it's true that Sovereign is the most powerful Reaper, considering we've taken most of his tech for our own we'll probally stand a chance.

Then there's the Krogan, who are nearly invincible soldiers. And with Wrex commanding them they'll probally kick ass and chew Pyjack meat. And there all out of Pyjack meat.

The Geth, the most advanced species in the Galaxy and the Geth attacking the Citadel only consisted of 5% of the Geth. And there was ALOT of Geth ships there, so 100% of Geth would be a decent rival for the Reapers.

The Council races, now rivaling Reapers at Technology with the advancements they've made.

Cerberus will probally play a role, likely working with the STG's for increased chances of success.

Salarian Special Tasks group, most advanced infilration team in the Galaxy. As mentioned, likely combining their Intelligience with Cerberu's Intelligience to make an even powerful force.

The Quarians won't be that much help, but they'll be good cannon fodder. (What? It's harsh, but true.)

And the Rachni, who are apprantly spreading rapidly and the Queen has made millions of Workers so far in two years, I wonder how many Soldier's she's made?

I think it's likely the Mercerany groups will play a part to. And so will the Terminus Systems. And the Batarians.

I think the Galaxy stands a good chance, actually.

[BlackMetal]

Waves of Russians will solve any problem.

[Dave of Canada]

The Reapers look huge in the ending cutscene, but they are actually the size of ants. We just got a really zoomed in camera angle.



You'll laugh at them in the final battle until they merge together and form Voltron.

[heretica]

BlackMetal wrote...

Waves of Russians will solve any problem.

This.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Given legions research on reaper data cores the geth will hack into a reaper kill its programs and take control of it themselves. your enemies then become your allies. Or was that too obvious and easy a solution?

[Masticetobbacco]

BlackMetal wrote...

Waves of Russians will solve any problem.

don't you mean chinese?

[AOPotter]

Maybe we do not have to fight the reapers at all.

Maybe they are machines that are designed to survive the heat death of the universe ( http://en.wikipedia....of_the_universe). Which would explain why they can spend their time in dark space without energy sources. And the 50000-years-cycle is indeed what harbinger says: "Your destruction will be your salvation". They turn worthy civilizations into something that can endure the end. The 50000 years is probably the time an average civilization needs to get to its prime in science, arts and culture. (After that they start to degenerate and become worthless.) So they always turn civilizations into reapers when these civilizations are at their best. "Each of us is a nation" etc.

That some civilizations do not want to be "rescued" is probably something the civilization that designed the first reaper did not anticipate. Maybe the first reaper-civ was insects who gladly give up themselves for the betterment of the whole. As such they did not know of the concept of individuality. And now all the reapers are stuck with that programming. They collect diversity (intellectual, cultural etc.) in preparation for the end of this galaxy. Maybe Tiplers Omega Point ( http://en.wikipedia...._Point_(Tipler) ) is something they work towards.

So the solution would be to find the first reaper and ask it to change the programming. To explain the concept of individuality and maybe work something out with the reapers that does preserve our civilization without turning its members into goo.

[kelmar6821]

Magic. Lots and lots of magic.

[doodlesam123]

Maybe we won't?

[Saberwolf116]

Simple.



Mordin will develop a virus that the Normandy can send into the central mainframe of the capital ship, and the virus will cause all of the other ships' shields to come down, allowing for a fair fight.



Wait a sec...

[onelifecrisis]

Fluffeh Kitteh wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Here is a thought: What if their will be no boss battle, no Shepard gunning through a reaper on foot, but instead it would be completely an epic cutscene space battle. You are the fleet admiral, directing the ships around, trying to take out the Reapers.

Can I order my ship to take cover behind an asteriod and lean out to shoot?

LOL

On topic, I do hope it isn't some lame Independence Day BS. I also hope that BW don't realise they've created a story that'll be difficult to finish well, and so decide to do the same thing with ME3 as Valve did with Ep3.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 28 mars 2010 - 05:41 .

[CTM1]

AOPotter wrote...

Maybe we do not have to fight the reapers at all.

Maybe they are machines that are designed to survive the heat death of the universe ( http://en.wikipedia....of_the_universe). Which would explain why they can spend their time in dark space without energy sources. And the 50000-years-cycle is indeed what harbinger says: "Your destruction will be your salvation". They turn worthy civilizations into something that can endure the end. The 50000 years is probably the time an average civilization needs to get to its prime in science, arts and culture. (After that they start to degenerate and become worthless.) So they always turn civilizations into reapers when these civilizations are at their best. "Each of us is a nation" etc.

That some civilizations do not want to be "rescued" is probably something the civilization that designed the first reaper did not anticipate. Maybe the first reaper-civ was insects who gladly give up themselves for the betterment of the whole. As such they did not know of the concept of individuality. And now all the reapers are stuck with that programming. They collect diversity (intellectual, cultural etc.) in preparation for the end of this galaxy. Maybe Tiplers Omega Point ( http://en.wikipedia...._Point_(Tipler) ) is something they work towards.

So the solution would be to find the first reaper and ask it to change the programming. To explain the concept of individuality and maybe work something out with the reapers that does preserve our civilization without turning its members into goo.

This person has a point here, and covers a few things I've often speculated myself, as have a few others on the forum that bothered to take this topic seriously.

It would go a long way towards explaining why the hell the Collectors were designing a human Reaper in the second game, that's for sure. That is, Plan A (pour through the Citadel and slaughter/cultivate all the advanced races in the galaxy) has become Plan B (screw the other advanced races for now and focus on humanity for slaughter/cultivation, and since Plan A failed, take the backdoor approach to doing so). And, hopefully, building the human Reaper was only a portion of Plan B, and that the end result is still Plan A, only slightly modified.

Whatever it is, the Reapers' reputation needs to be restored in Mass Effect 3. As it stands now, Harbinger was an embarrassment.

(I still think you will end up having to fight the Reapers, though. Diplomacy will inevitably fail, if Sovereign is any indication. Your suggestion would simply provide some backstory for the Reapers. I also disagree with you that the Reapers were created by a dead civilization, if the assumption is that they turned against them. Assuming they were created, I'd be more willing to believe that the first Reapers were actually the civilization that designed them, with the sole purpose of saving themselves for posterity. Their agenda would have simply long since lapsed in time.)

Modifié par CTM1, 28 mars 2010 - 05:56 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Mcjon01 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

OP, you worry too much. TIM will come up with something.

I'm sure TIM's idea of a "good plan" for defeating the Reapers involves making an even bigger and badder race of immortal machine gods, programming so that they want to kill everything and not just organics, and then pointing them in the Reapers' direction.

Then when that blows up in his face, he'll just claim that the Project Killemall cell went rogue, and that he can't be held liable for the destruction of all things.

You should lie down.

And quit reading comic books.

[Arcadionn]

Jeff Goldboom

[Spartas Husky]

Wolverfrog wrote...

Sovereign took down entire fleets, and he wasn't even focusing on them. He was pretty much invunerable to their attacks, until he was weakened after Shepard killed Saren.

He was one Reaper. As shown at the end of Mass Effect 2, there are thousands, and they're all coming to our galaxy. There's no way in hell we'd be able to beat them in a direct confrontation. Even with the Geth and all the other races behind you, it still seems impossible to me.

The only way I can see us winning is if we discover some ancient weapon which predates the Reapers. Or if Bioware go for a cheesy "Take out the Master Computer, it'll weaken all the Reapers!" option.

Thoughts?

One thing, not developed in the mass effect world. Like in other universes are planetary based defenses against space fleets.

In mass effect a planet without a fleet cannot defend itself for long.

In other universs a planet could still have a chance with a decent space station, and if none are there, with a greatly fortified land based weaponry that can target space.

1st. Land based space weaponry, as the defucnt mass accelerator cannon found to have "kill" a reaper.
That type of technology is just around the corner for mass effect.

2nd. That is the whole point of paragon and renegade endings both of them lead to the same point. Saving the base left it for cerberus, destroying it, left its databanks for you and whoever you trust with that information.

Remember at the end, Shepherd is handed a pad with a couple of reapers information in it. We dont know what EDI was cooking up to while repairing the Normandy.

Take this in mind, EDI was able to single handedly help you escape the collector ship was she was still isolated from the normandy physically. With her "shackles" gone, her "efficiency" has gone to levels we still dont know.

FOr all we know, she filled the Normandy's banks with as much relevant data regarding the reapers as she could while we were blowing up the station.

3th. The reapers are not invincible, and from making wild math, we still dont know when they came to be.
The reapers dont fight head on for 2 reasons.
1st it takes resources beyond our ability to imagine to create 1 reaper, and every 50,000 years I assume there is only 1 specie "good" enough to make a new reaper. Meaning loosing more than 1 reaper every invasion diminishes their numbers.
2. THey use surprise to conserve energy, a war of atrittion or all out war is winnable but time consuming and expensive.

4th If a reaper was killed before, most likely is hundreds if not thousands of reapers have already fallen in casualties in previous extinctions. and that was when they had the element of surprise.
Now they do not, even with usual FTL speeds it takes multiple decades to get anywhere, with them most likely a decade or less. But still long enough to fix time to hack the goddang relays.

5th Soverign, alone would not be able to stand against a single fleet of any kind.

Soverign punched through the citadel fleet because there was a geth fleet of equal size fighting them.

Soverign at anytime could have just enlisted mercs or indoctrinated to hack the citadel, and do exactly what he did, without the geth. But he did because like Virgil said, even the reapers aren't invincible.



I am saying with data retrieved from the collector base, some ample time to prepare.
And hopefully the relays under our or at least nobody's control.

The reapers wont be coming to stab species in the back, they will be arriving to meet a wall of fortifications and fleets being produced solely to destroy them.

Since they are somewhat machines they think rationally, if they could wipe out life as easily as they have said, they wouldn't cut off communications and movement.

Caution is a sign of intelligence, but also fear.
If I knew I could beat 10 people fighting them all at once, why would I attack at night, and take them one by one? It takes longer, but is safer, because I aint freacking god like lol

In other words the Reapers main weapon is surprise, with that gone, they still have the advantage, but the relays, the collector base data, the quarian fleet, the geth resources, krogan potential, asari research into mass relays would proove a huge assset.

[Sunnie]

There is a similar discussion going on over here:
http://social.biowar...36526/3#1946278


The citidel is a massive mass relay that links to dark space, there HAS to be a companion relay on the other end, in dark space. As long as the Citidel is intact there will always be a threat that its link can be opened and allow the Reaper fleet through. So there are really only 2 options.

1. Destroy the Citidel (which also disables the entire mass relay network). Threat over, Reapers will run out of energy before they can arive in our galaxy.

OR

2. Figure out how to trigger the Citidel to link only to dark space, one way (as the Protheans did from Ilos to the Citidel), and Shepard and crew go off on the ultimate suicide mission to destroy the remote relay thus preventing the Reapers from ever returning again.


Since the galaxy needs the relay system in tact and functining, the only other option is #2.

We have all the data mined from Vigil, we have a working one way relay from Ilos to the Citidel, it won't take long to apply that to link to dark space.

[Spartas Husky]

Sunnie22 wrote...

There is a similar discussion going on over here:
http://social.biowar...36526/3#1946278


The citidel is a massive mass relay that links to dark space, there HAS to be a companion relay on the other end, in dark space. As long as the Citidel is intact there will always be a threat that its link can be opened and allow the Reaper fleet through. So there are really only 2 options.

1. Destroy the Citidel (which also disables the entire mass relay network). Threat over, Reapers will run out of energy before they can arive in our galaxy.

OR

2. Figure out how to trigger the Citidel to link only to dark space, one way (as the Protheans did from Ilos to the Citidel), and Shepard and crew go off on the ultimate suicide mission to destroy the remote relay thus preventing the Reapers from ever returning again.


Since the galaxy needs the relay system in tact and functining, the only other option is #2.

We have all the data mined from Vigil, we have a working one way relay from Ilos to the Citidel, it won't take long to apply that to link to dark space.

I say most Likely is an advance version of the one in Illos.

One that just opens a corridor from dark space without a copanion relay. Otherwise They would have just waited to launch another attack on the citadel and this time better prepared to just open it.

fact that in the end it shows the reaper fleet moving at.....I uno ftl or normal speed probably indicates the relay is a door with the knob on just one side fo the door, not a walk way with two doors at opposite sides.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 28 mars 2010 - 06:28 .