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[Maria Caliban]

Beetgreen wrote...

Do you listen to rap music because you actually enjoy it?  Or do you just listen to it because you think it helps you fit in better to the "clubbin scene" or makes you look more like a player, err...excuse me, "playa".

This is so true. I hate rap music, but only listen to it so the other 'playas' at the insurance office I work at won't be 'dissin' on me.

[Petehog]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

How come whenever someone says with "all due respect" they really mean kiss my ass?

This.

[orpheus333]

Hip Hop probably was and still is the most personally expressive form of music I think, from the artists point of view. I'd suggest starting from its roots to gain an appreciation for where the genres come from, how its grown (for better or worse) and why?

Try to get into it yourself if you can. Its always good to broaden your horizons a little and you never know you might enjoy some of it. While hip hop has tended to devolve into pointless misogyny, and posturing over the years any form of music that allows others to express themselves in a sophisticated manor can't be bad. Generalizing the rhyming lyrical patterns of all rap music like BS.II is counter productive, and short-sighted. Hip Hop vocalists form a counter beat and melody to the underlying beat and harmony sections, these aren't mistakes and the best hip hop tracks aren't just musically sound but rhythmically unique.

I think you should also consider how sampling has progressed the genre, and in turn how the genre has breathed new life into various pieces of music due to the copying, cutting and reusing drum sections and counter points. From big band trad jazz to blues to classical its all been used in unique and modern ways and the genre takes inspiration from across the musical spectrum.

In terms of lyrics and vocals I think people tend to forget music is a form of communication. As a form of communication it has a limited vocabulary, language on the other hand provides countless levels inflection and emotional nuance. While on the other hand a lot of people today only listen to the lyrics themselves a middle ground should be taken and respect should be given to both the voice as an instrument (often overlooked) as well as the subtlety of meaning lyrics can provide. They should work in harmony.

Remember. Its not all pimps, ****es and bling. Their is good hip hop out there, hell, there's great hip hop out there. It would be a shame write off a genre on one persons poor taste, judgement, and broken volume control.

As to the 3am performances that's just inconsiderate. It could be worse. It could be black metal. *sigh* When something is recorded so distorted its a square wave. Is it really music, or just noise.

Modifié par andyr1986, 29 mars 2010 - 12:39 .

[pennygwoods]

Some of us were born and raised on hip-hop, you know. It didn't just become relevant when suburban white kids with backwards baseball caps discovered it.

[Borschtbeet]

pennygwoods wrote...

Some of us were born and raised on hip-hop, you know. It didn't just become relevant when suburban white kids with backwards baseball caps discovered it.

Lol, I think you mean with upside-down backwards sun visors or side ways baseball caps.

[orpheus333]

Borschtbeet wrote...


Lol, I think you mean with upside-down backwards sun visors or side ways baseball caps.

Its amazing what people will do to themselves.

Modifié par andyr1986, 29 mars 2010 - 01:10 .

[xDarkicex]

OMG its Malcolm in middle

[insochris]

andyr1986 wrote...

Is it really music, or just noise.

noise? BRING THA NOISE?!

[Cascadus]

The amount of generalization of rap is disappointing. Not all of it is 'bitches, bitches, hoes' people.

Modifié par Cascadus, 29 mars 2010 - 03:28 .

[orpheus333]

insochris wrote...

andyr1986 wrote...

Is it really music, or just noise.

noise? BRING THA NOISE?!

LOL

+1 internet

[Panderfringe]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I agree with the original poster.  Most rap music fans are just trend following poseurs who are trying to find some sort of social identity. They need rap to define who they are since they can't let their actions define them.

Quantify this.

[SkullandBonesmember]

I enjoy everything from the Beatles to Eminem.

[Rodriguer2000]

i enjoy all kinds of music as long as its good

[addiction21]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

I enjoy everything from the Beatles to Eminem.

Throw in Bach, Teddy Pendergrass, The Doors, and Dallas Green then we would be closing in on my rather ecletic taste in music

In my honest opinion and lifes experiance people who dismiss entire generes, be it books, movies, or music are narrowminded individuals who do not like to venture out the circle of comfort. They are just as bad as those posers that that use a certain genere to define themselves.

There is no malice ment in this but someone earlier said something along the lines of "metal is the enemy of rap" and that could not be further from the truth. Some of the best rap or metal music is influenced by the other, or even incorprates the other.

I guess its just the way I am. I judge on a individual basis not entire generes on the few things I have heard.

[Stanley Woo]

I listen to rap because it incorporates two of the main reasons I love communication: rhythm and wordplay. Rap is a kind of poetry that I can really get behind. The incorporation of rap into 90s dance music is what made me listen to it, and once I got out of my teens and started expanding my musical horizons, I discovered that rap isn't just gangsta, old-school, or hip-hop.



Rap can be used to expose the problems of poor urban culture and communities. The way Public Enemy and Rage Against the Machine (among others) use it, it's a statement to the masses on behalf of those who don't have a voice of their own. For gangsta rappers, it's a bar set really high for a poor urban peoples who don't have the same opportunities you or I do, giving them something to aspire to, role models that even the poorest and downtrodden can identify with. While I don't agree with that kind of materialistic, mysoginistic view of the world, I'm an educated Canadian man who can afford a home, food, and clothing by working a job that pays a living wage. Who am I to judge?



I like different kinds of rap for different reasons. I like parody rap groups like the Notorious MSG, who bust out rhymes on the underground New York Chinatown gangsta restaurant scene. I like MC Frontalot for the nerdcore topics and rhymes that I can identify with. I like House of Pain and Beastie Boys for very different urban perspectives. I like Rage Against the Machine for the activism, and Public Enemy for making the world notice the people who are often beneath our notice.



Heck, I even like rap when I can't understand the lyrics because the rhythms are fantastic and they have something to say.

[addiction21]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I listen to rap because it incorporates two of the main reasons I love communication: rhythm and wordplay. Rap is a kind of poetry that I can really get behind. The incorporation of rap into 90s dance music is what made me listen to it, and once I got out of my teens and started expanding my musical horizons, I discovered that rap isn't just gangsta, old-school, or hip-hop.

 I'm an educated Canadian man who can afford a home, food, and clothing by working a job that pays a living wage. Who am I to judge?


Heck, I even like rap when I can't understand the lyrics because the rhythms are fantastic and they have something to say.

Bolded part: Truer words have never been spoken before.
Italicized  part: Ya but you still wear funny hats so
The link: From what I know about Kenny Arkana she is a fan of Rage.

I do not know how coherently I can put this but those of you dismissing the entire genere of rap for the "POP" stuff you hear nead to open your ears.

Edit: I also cannot say enough of the public enemy/grandmaster flash/ghetto boys/run dmc social commentary.

De La Soul, Twelib Kwali and Mos Def. Some big names that the haters need to listen to and look up.
http://www.dailymoti...e-message_music it might be over 20 years old but it is something I think many need to go to sleep to and wake up with.

Modifié par addiction21, 29 mars 2010 - 08:07 .

[jinrsx]

I'm posting in a troll thread. I'm a fan of Rakim. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.