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[Notho]

I'd rather not be turned into a human smoothie, thanks.



Seriously, cruc1al is pretty much spot on.

[Collider]

Speakeasy, I assume that while he thinks that life has no inherent value or meaning, that doesn't mean we can attribute meaning and value to life.

[Wild Still]

The Reapers are right about what? They don't even say why they destroy everything in the galaxy, they just do. You assume that the Reapers have been destroying all sapient life in the Galaxy for the purpose of reproduction, maybe they don't. Maybe they haven't made a new Reaper in millions of years because they don't need to, and they just like to keep space faring races in check just in case they need to make a new one some day. Maybe they don't want to make human Reapers at all, it was just desperation in an attempt to get through the Citadel relay and the human race was to be smeared with the rest of them. OP makes way too many assumptions.

[Nightwriter]

Yeah. And we slaughtered the Native Americans to bring "enlightenment" to the new world.

Edit: I hate saying "we". Why do we have to say "we"? It's like if you're white you have to say it. "We" killed the Indians and the buffalo, "we" enslaved the blacks.

"We" did not do sh*t, okay?! I wasn't there, damn it. I think I'd remember throwing smallpox blankets on Native Americans, thank you.

I recycle. I'm part of the humane society. I use energy saving light bulbs and when I see a turtle in the road I pull over and carry it gently to safety, what more do you want from me?! I'm sorry!!

Modifié par Nightwriter, 28 mars 2010 - 09:13 .

[cruc1al]

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah. And we slaughtered the Native Americans to bring "enlightenment" to the new world.

You can't argue with results. If not for us the Americas would still be in the stone-age. Progress can be painful.

You sound like TIM. However, TIM would also say: "You and I have different methods, but I can't argue with your results." It's TIM's methods that are fked up.

[Collider]

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah. And we slaughtered the Native Americans to bring "enlightenment" to the new world.

You can't argue with results. If not for us the Americas would still be in the stone-age. Progress can be painful.

We've done quite well progressing technologically without having to kill ourselves. Progress =/= improvement. "Progress" to indigenous cultures often means death, disease, and sorrow.

[Collider]

You don't think the natives were perfectly content to have their level of technology? I mean, aren't you content with the level of technology you have in your culture (internet?). If an advance alien civilization came to earth an enslaved earth with the excuse of civilizing barbarians, and people started dying left and right of disease and war, would you have the same sentiment?

[Collider]

Shandepared wrote...

Collider wrote...

You don't think the natives were perfectly content to have their level of technology?

They seemed eager enough to make use of the white man's tools.

Doesn't matter. They often used the "white" man's tools against the "white" man too. If I have a spear and you have a laser gun, I'm going to use the laser gun. Either way, a lot of innocent people died over encroachment and settlement.

[Bigdoser]

When shandepared appears the topic derails it always happens =_=



on topic: as people said before, who would want to be a milkshake?

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah. And we slaughtered the Native Americans to bring "enlightenment" to the new world.

You can't argue with results. If not for us the Americas would still be in the stone-age. Progress can be painful.

Does progress really help? Native American civilization probably would have lasted longer than we will, some geologists say that oil could run out in 30 years.

[Collider]

What's important to know and define is what progress is.

[Nightwriter]

Collider wrote...

You don't think the natives were perfectly content to have their level of technology? I mean, aren't you content with the level of technology you have in your culture (internet?). If an advance alien civilization came to earth an enslaved earth with the excuse of civilizing barbarians, and people started dying left and right of disease and war, would you have the same sentiment?

He speaks sense. [assuming a default gender there]

Besides, to say committing gross wrongs is necessary for the sake of progress is a cheap answer. If we have come no farther than we were then - if we cannot learn to advance and grow as a species without committing genocide on our own race - we are not improving, and we are not becoming better.

[Collider]

Indeed. I think our outlook is becoming increasingly better. True, we do have nuclear weapons, but we have so many safeguards now whereas in the past the only limit to suffering was the whim of tyrants and kings.

[cruc1al]

Nightwriter wrote...

Besides, to say committing gross wrongs is necessary for the sake of progress is a cheap answer.

Yes. To quote paragon Shepard, "there is always a better way."

[Nightwriter]

Collider wrote...

Indeed. I think our outlook is becoming increasingly better. True, we do have nuclear weapons, but we have so many safeguards now whereas in the past the only limit to suffering was the whim of tyrants and kings.

What was it Martin Luther King said? "The arc of history bends slowly, but it bends toward justice".

We change slowly, but we change for the better.

[cruc1al]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Does progress really help? Native American civilization probably would have lasted longer than we will, some geologists say that oil could run out in 30 years.

Prognosticators have been saying this bs for the last 100 years.

Relevance? 0. Prognosticators =/= geologists.

[Collider]

Shandepared wrote...

Collider wrote...

Doesn't matter. They often used the "white" man's tools against the "white" man too. If I have a spear and you have a laser gun, I'm going to use the laser gun. Either way, a lot of innocent people died over encroachment and settlement.

A lot of innocent people died when the Romans invaded the British Isles as well.

And? Invasions typically cause deaths.

[Collider]

I do think that's an important note that predictions made by supposed scientists and experts have been very very off before. Hell, by now we were supposed to have flying cars...