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[Jito463]

Mr_Steph wrote...
And if you leave the fantasyworld you are currently in?

What is that even supposed to mean?  Are you just trolling now?  Pushing back the launch date, to fix a buggy product before release, is not an uncommon practice.  It's not as uncommon as I would like, mind you, but it's been used by countless devs/pubs.  What fantasy world are YOU living in?

[CybAnt1]

I'm afraid this may be the problem. Again, I'm not attacking you guys on consoles, but maybe ladydesire has nailed down the issue.



Releasing patches and altered content for PC is easy. Unfortunately, doing it for Xbox and PS3 means having to go through a long laborious Microsoft/Sony approval process.



That may have been why they couldn't do it easily before release, and may ALSO be what's delaying any patch releases. Now, BTW, they could just fix/release stuff for the PC and let the console users stew, but that would also unleash howling of second class status.



Of course, PC users have mods that they can turn to ... however, the other issue affecting this is (AFAIK) they still haven't updated the Toolset for Awakening, therefore, modders are limited in what they can fix/tweak/change at this point.



I'm not pointing fingers or telling those of you on console "you suck"; but the bottom line is you're using a closed platform that a company gets to dictate what can be updated/changed on, and unfortunately as a corollary PC users are being affected, because they seem to be committed to simultaneous release where possible (although obviously it didn't happen with RtO).

[CybAnt1]

Dam Wookie wrote...
...BUT when they dont care about me, why should i care about them?I wont!And really guys...If they dont do anything about this i will be just another guy taking the pirate version...This is why i paid for the game?The add-ons were just for origins?Did they mention it somewhere and i dont know about this?
Im just so dissapointed about all these....

I've seen this argument justified a dozen different ways, and here's the bottom line.

When you pirate, you are depriving software developers of compensation for their effort. It is like asking for any other service for free. If you got a lousy shoe shine, are you justified in coming back a week later, and then when they're done shining your shoes, running off without paying? 

And the bottom line is, bugs or no bugs, software development is a lot of hard work. The people who do it have families to feed. And yes you are taking that out of their mouths when you don't pay for software, and worse yet pirate it and give out free copies to thousands of other people. 

Modifié par CybAnt1, 10 avril 2010 - 02:24 .

[drakeion2]

the thing about awakening in the first glance its supose to be a new perso that youre supose to play with that wy they dont whant too repair the games , with a brand new perso there about 1% chance of game broking du too a bug but 100 % if you get your perso from origin so think twice



ive play but ways & the games run better with a brand new perso no dlc



so imagine wy now they dont whant to repair it.. you boult dlc for nothingcause there bug like hell

got 2 xbox 360 at haome 1 that dont have no dlc my girlfriend use that one & one with all dlc mine

miricle the one that got no dlc work better i wender wy

[Jito463]

I'm sincerely hoping that your post was translated from another language. Because if it wasn't, you just butchered the English language. I honestly can't read half your post.

[Alodar]

Anwnimos wrote...

If its up to a car...I wont buy anymore from that company...Not that im going to buy again from Bioware of course...
Piracy or nothing when its coming to bioware...

I am again unsure why you consider it okay to be a thief when it comes to BioWare products but it's not okay to steal cars from our mythical car manufacturer.

Stealing is stealing. IF you engage in stealing you are a thief.

If you don't like BioWare's decisons don't buy their products.
Bad decisions don't give you the right to steal from companies that make them.

Alodar

[Dallo]

Alodar wrote...

Anwnimos wrote...

If its up to a car...I wont buy anymore from that company...Not that im going to buy again from Bioware of course...
Piracy or nothing when its coming to bioware...

I am again unsure why you consider it okay to be a thief when it comes to BioWare products but it's not okay to steal cars from our mythical car manufacturer.

Stealing is stealing. IF you engage in stealing you are a thief.

If you don't like BioWare's decisons don't buy their products.
Bad decisions don't give you the right to steal from companies that make them.

Alodar

Concur...

[Hundbert]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Can someone answer why warden commander armour is not working when king cailan armour is?

Because, as it turns out, two sets of DlC are coded correctly (their flags are set to be game-specific rather than module-specific). Those two sets of DlC are everything from Stone Prisoner and everything from RtO. 

The other two sets (BD Armor and everything from WK) are not. It's not a DRM issue. This also happens with custom mod items who are set incorrectly, as well. 

Thanks alot for this answer cybant1.

[bzombo]

Raseri wrote...

As the title says, but I'll repeat:

Why has there not been a patch so that we can use the DLCs we have PURCHASED for Origins in Awakening?

It's patently ridiculous to show up in the beginning of Awakening NAKED because my Grey Warden Commander armor didn't come with me from Soldier's Peak.  Neither did my Blood Dragon Armor or anything else.

Please fix this Bioware.

they said from the beginning it would not carry over. the equipment in awakening is superior to the dlc equipment anyway.  showing up naked is an issue and bioware should fix that when they patch the game. in the meantime, just change your armor in origins and then play awakening. there's so much better stuff in awakening i don't see why you'd want tier 6 stuff anyway.

[bzombo]

Dam Wookie wrote...

Alodar wrote...

Anwnimos wrote...

...BUT when they dont care about me, why should i care about them?I wont!And really guys...If they dont do anything about this i will be just another guy taking the pirate version...This is why i paid for the game?The add-ons were just for origins?Did they mention it somewhere and i dont know about this?
Im just so dissapointed about all these....

This is curious logic. If you are unhappy with the decisions of your car dealership do you feel you are justified stealing your next car from them?


Alodar

you're just rationalizing that piracy is okay. the analogy was perfectly fine. you just need a way to tell your conscience that piracy is ok.

It is strange that you quote logic and then fail in its use yourself. You are purchasing a sequence of products, some of which are then stolen from you in the final product. These products are not material products and can be duplicated without loss of the original. They do not fall completely under set of rules defining material products. Even the simplest of simpletons could clearly see that.

In what way is:
A) A car a series of products?
A car removing previouse abilities pre purchase?
C) Stealing a car from a dealership akin to the theory of game piracy protecting the game player from being ripped off.

[Alodar]

Dam Wookie wrote...

Alodar wrote..
This is curious logic. If you are unhappy with the decisions of your car dealership do you feel you are justified stealing your next car from them?
Alodar

It is strange that you quote logic and then fail in its use yourself.

To fail in its use would I not have to attempt to use it?
I asked a question, I did not make an argument.
You are curiously presupposing a set of beliefs that it would take to ask that question.



Furthermore it should be noted that you are not arguing logic, you are arguing premise.

Premise: Stealing a car and stealing software are both stealing.
Conclusion: If you think stealing from a car company is wrong, then stealing from a Software developer is equally wrong.

The logic is unassailable. It is the premise you disagree with.

These products are not material products and can be duplicated without loss of the original. They do not fall completely under set of rules defining material products.

Here you seem to be putting forth the premise that stealing things that aren't material products that can be duplicated with no loss of the original should be under a different set of rules. Fortunately this premise can be easily tested.

I suggest you try the following three things.


[*] Get a camera and make your way to a building called the Pentagon in a city called Washington, in the United States of America. The building is easy to spot, it's the one with the extra wall. Go find some files labeled "Top Secret" and take pictures of the pages inside them.

[*] Next take your camera and go to Sony's development labs. Take pictures of everything they are working on and any white boards you happen to see.

[*] Finally, the next time you see someone use a credit card, copy down the number and the CV code. Then use that number to make a bunch of online purchases.



During you trials please explain to the US government, the Sony Corporation, and Visa they weren't material products and that they can be duplicated with no loss of the original so they should be under a different set of rules.

See where that gets you.

In what way is:
A) A car a series of products?
A car removing previouse abilities pre purchase?
C) Stealing a car from a dealership akin to the theory of game piracy protecting the game player from being ripped off.

You seem to be attempting distinguish the theft of software and the theft of cars. Your first two questions are curious because cars are a series of products and they do remove and add features to new models all the time. So you've shown how software and cars are similar.

Your last question is interesting because you are implying that theft of video games is some sort of consumer protection.

Again, I ask the question: would you steal a car to protect yourself from buying a lemon? Would you steal a TV to make sure they hadn't changed features that you previously enjoyed?

Stealing from companies whose decisions you don't agree with is still theft.

Even the simplest of simpletons could clearly see that.

Indeed.

Alodar

Modifié par Alodar, 13 avril 2010 - 01:07 .

[amd2112]

I see lots of people talking about Mods for PCs and talk of how great it is to have the toolkit. Thats fine and all but not everyone has the luxury of having a PC good enuff to run the game. My opinion is that if the console users dont get access to the same things that PC users get, then why do we get charged full price? We are getting a product thats incomplete and it kinda feels like console players are penalized for being console players. Not to mention the lack of support from BW (im a PS3 player). I love the game and have both Origins and Awakenings, but it does feel like i got shafted because im on a console. Now before the fanboys rage on me, i confess i know very little about the mechanics and technical side of this issue. But it makes me feel (and im not the only one) like a 2nd class customer. If there are reasons the console players dont deserve the same treatment and same product that PC players get i would love to hear them. Its just very disheartening to get a product and realize i dont get to enjoy the same experience just because im a PS3 player. Any explanations would be welcome.

[CybAnt1]

If there are reasons the console players dont deserve the same treatment and same product that PC players get i would love to hear them.

OK. Here's what it comes down to, and I'll explain it again. 

You chose - whether you realize it or not - to use a sealed/closed platform where all new introduced/changed content requires approval from Microsoft or Sony. 

This means not only can you not use mods, it probably takes a while to get patches to you, because some bureaucrat at Sony or Microsoft has to look at the patch before you can download it. This probably slows down the patch release for PC also because they don't want to do asynchronous patch releases lest it unleash the "2nd class status" argument you're making right now. 

If you're wondering what caused the delay in the release of RtO for PS3, it was the same issue: it took longer for the Sony bureaucrats to approve the DlC for you then it took the Microsoft bureaucrats to approve it for Xbox. 

And if I sound petulant, I am a bit, because the fact that you guys chose to use a sealed platform for your gaming is affecting me. If it weren't, I wouldn't care. BTW, that choice is fine in most games, which are never patched, updated, or modded. I just think it's bad for RPGs, which often have to be. 

[amd2112]

I didnt choose the PS3. The console was a gift. I have a PC, but not one that is good enough to run the game. I would prefer to play on PC, but am on a fixed income at the moment, and do not have the option to upgrade. Didnt have a problem with release delays, as i would rather them take the time to get it right. Was just curious if toolsets and mods were even a possibility on consoles. I was under the impression that the PS3 and/or 360 were basically stripped down gaming computers that had similar if not the same abilities to play game software that regular PCs had. And no you dont sound petulant. At least to me. Thanks for the response.

[CybAnt1]

You can't download mods for one simple reason: Sony will not allow you to freely download anything you want to put on your console willy-nilly. You're using a sealed platform - in order for you to download things from your console's online service, Sony has to approve it first. Same thing with Microsoft/Xbox Live.



So -- there is one way you could get mods. Bioware could package some of the best ones into a combo meal, call it "official mod compendium" or whatever, submit it for approval by your bureaucrats, and then you could download it. And BTW some console players have proposed that. Whether or not Bio will go to the trouble: dunno.



As you can see, I think people are more worried about the patch situation then them doing this.



And again, the only thing I find annoying, because it again affects me, is you console players are theoretically slowing down patch release for everybody.

[amd2112]

Well i think that pretty much answered my questions. Much abliged my friend. But fyi, they aren't MY bureaucrats, they are Sony's. As i said if i had the option i would be on PC. Anyway, thanks for the info.

[nikki191]

intentional or not awakenings was obviously not playtested with watchers keep activated, you can see that with abilities not transfered as well

[Jito463]

Alodar wrote...

Furthermore it should be
noted that you are not arguing logic, you are arguing premise.

Premise: Stealing a car and stealing software are both stealing.
Conclusion: If you think stealing from a car company is wrong, then stealing from a Software developer is equally wrong.

The logic is unassailable. It is the premise you disagree with.

Actually, duplicating software without authorization would be copyright infringement, not "technically" stealing.  And I say "technically", because legally it cannot be classified as theft (unless you try to resell it for commercial gain, but I'm not sure even that would technically qualify as theft).

Alodar wrote...

Here you seem to be putting forth the premise that stealing things that aren't material products that can be duplicated with no loss of the original should be under a different set of rules. Fortunately this premise can be easily tested.

I suggest you try the following three things.

[*] Get a camera and make your way to a building called the Pentagon in a city called Washington, in the United States of America. The building is easy to spot, it's the one with the extra wall. Go find some files labeled "Top Secret" and take pictures of the pages inside them.

[*] Next take your camera and go to Sony's development labs. Take pictures of everything they are working on and any white boards you happen to see.

[*] Finally, the next time you see someone use a credit card, copy down the number and the CV code. Then use that number to make a bunch of online purchases.

During you trials please explain to the US government, the Sony Corporation, and Visa they weren't material products and that they can be duplicated with no loss of the original so they should be under a different set of rules.

See where that gets you.

You seem to be confusing things.

• Taking pictures inside the pentagon would get you in trouble, yes.  But not because you're taking pictures, rather because of *what* you're taking pictures of.  It's called National Security.  It has nothing to do with making copies, it's the content that you're copying that gets you in trouble.

• Same issue with Sony.  It's not about taking the pictures/copying the files.  It's about *what* you are copying or taking pictures of.  I believe they consider that Corporate Espionage.

• You wouldn't get in trouble for copying the CC number (unless the owner found out, then you might get beat up), but you would get in trouble for "stealing" the money, which is not a digital product that can be duplicated.  It's a finite resource, and you're reducing the quantity of that resource.  Different set of circumstances.

Alodar wrote...

You seem to be attempting distinguish the theft of software and the theft of cars. Your first two questions are curious because cars are a series of products and they do remove and add features to new models all the time. So you've shown how software and cars are similar.

Your last question is interesting because you are implying that theft of video games is some sort of consumer protection.

Again, I ask the question: would you steal a car to protect yourself from buying a lemon? Would you steal a TV to make sure they hadn't changed features that you previously enjoyed?

Stealing from companies whose decisions you don't agree with is still theft.

I agree that it's wrong, and I don't condone the actions of anyone who takes a product without paying for it.  But I would argue that legally it falls under a different category from stealing.  Maybe that's something the courts will address over time, but at present it doesn't.

[Jito463]

Ignoring all of the side-issues that were addressed in this thread - and getting back to the main point - it's been over a month and still no word on a fix for naked wardens, or (even better) a correction to the DLC so it transfers over. Not to mention, the "Power of Blood" spell line that's completely broken in Awakening (unless you use the user-made patch, then it's only slightly broken).

I refuse to waste my time doing Bioware's work for them. Come on Bioware, show us you still care about your customers.

Modifié par Jito463, 21 avril 2010 - 05:26 .

[Burglekut]

Jito463 wrote...

I refuse to waste my time doing Bioware's work for them. Come on Bioware, show us you still care about your customers.

You're wasting your time by making that post here.

[T3HB3N]

Burglekut wrote...

Jito463 wrote...

I refuse to waste my time doing Bioware's work for them. Come on Bioware, show us you still care about your customers.

You're wasting your time by making that post here.

Haha, you're so funny! Now shut up.

[Gunny5821]

I have been reading a lot about complaints of items NOT carrying over into Awakening. Well, I just did a quick check of my inventory. I am in camp at the end of DAO, finished complete. I have 125 items in my inventory. When I transfer into Awakening, my inventory shows 111. So 14 items didn't go over. I'm not sure which ones went and didn't, because I wasn't looking for that aspect, but 111 carry over is pretty substantial I think. The one thing I know did NOT go over was my Starfang 2 handed sword, pitty as it was preety spec'd out.



Anyway, that's what I have noticed..

[Actaeon2]

DePhoegon wrote...

*gag* - There is a toolkit for a reason. (Console Users are SOL, sorry for those who don't have the PC version)

This is for the PC users. You can use the Editor to save items (custom/modded DLC) into the core Game files and they transfer. I have only done it with rings. Modded DLC promo (lucky ring/memery band).

Only item that are pointless/disabled in awakening are the Dog collar/warpaint, and shales crystals.. which I found one in awakening, though I assume it was to do with me putting one into core files and saving it. random freak chance I think.

There is a trick to it, but you can customize DLC content and have it within the core files so it can be used by any of the module, and not just one. (granted you might have to find a way to get ya character to have it, but it's still there.)

I have no mods, but also found a small crystal (used for Shale) in Awakening.  I think it was from the mines (not sure).  The stone golem DLC is not disabled.  Wonder if that's the reason?

Modifié par Actaeon2, 26 avril 2010 - 01:27 .

[Actaeon2]

Xolramuh wrote...

I know this is kinda repeating what others have said, I just want to say that I agree with the people who say that Bioware has been.. lacking. I mean, I loved Awakening but I was very disappointed about some of the issues with it. SO many bugs such as the camera twitching and character replacement after my warrior executed one of her abilities. And.. seriously. I didn't like having to go through the whole beginning naked. Even if you do get better armor later on, it's just really takes a chunk of realism (maybe realism isn't the best word) from the story by having a Commander of the Grey Wardens fight an army of darkspawn in the buff. Or as an alternate solution, give default armor like the characters made new for Awakening have. Is that too much to ask for?

And don't get me started on the length. I go to school so I can only find the time to play on the weekends in between homework and projects. I finished the expansion within two or three weekends.

Gamers pay a lot for these games and I believe that it is our duty as a consumer to express our opinions of the games, whether it be good or bad. Feed back helps Bioware understand some of the things that we don't like, and some of the things we do so that they can make a better game the next time around.

King Calin's Armor imports, as does Effort, the Jaugernaught set, the Dead Legion set and the sword Ageless.  Starfang does not import....nor the Warden Commander Armor unfortunately (a very handsome set of armor).  Go back to a saved game in Origins original before Tower Drakon,,,,maybe the landsmeet if you want to change the opening to Awakening...and switch armor with your companions.  I let Alistair wear the Warden Commander armor and I King Calin's, and got everything I wanted out of storage (and taken off my other characters before the final battle) to bring with me in the expansion.  Some of the gifts from Feastday also imported (specifically the Butterfly Sword, if you gave it to Sten 1st so it became usable (I havent tested all the Feastday gifts, but most do not import)) the other gifts not from Feastday do import.  Most of all the stuff I wanted imported except for the rings, belts and ammys from DLC.

Modifié par Actaeon2, 26 avril 2010 - 02:25 .