kraidy1117 wrote...
Pleese you mean to tell me that if a person like Morinth was real, and had a freak ability to kill with sex, control minds and is ruthless you would arrest her, not kill her even tho you know she is very dangerous?Sorry if I was a cop I would kill her and pay the price, rather have a person like that dead.
GothamLord wrote...
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
And saying that samara could have just imprisoned Morinth is just plain ignorant. Did you even talk to Samara before you sold her out to morinth? She tells you point blank that Her code "obligates her to kill the wicked", those exact words. She could no more break that covenant Shepard could surrender to the reapers. It is an integral part of her character, she can't just betray it.
Yes I talked to her.And yes "her code" not *my* code. Last I checked Samara was under an oath to me. I wasnt given an option to take Morinth into custody which irked me to no end. Just because momma wants to turn into a Justicar to clear her conscience and track down and have a valid excuse to kill her daughter because shes a evil demon baby making machine doesnt mean its the only option. Samara "code" also obligated her to openly state she'd kill a building full of cops for dedaining her. Killing cops for holding her during a murder investgation... real wicked practice there...
GothamLord wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Pleese you mean to tell me that if a person like Morinth was real, and had a freak ability to kill with sex, control minds and is ruthless you would arrest her, not kill her even tho you know she is very dangerous?Sorry if I was a cop I would kill her and pay the price, rather have a person like that dead.
My comment was directed as what sounded to be your casual brush off of killing police officers of being acceptable by Samara compared to Morinth's killings.
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Oh, and I didn't make it especially clear in my above post so here it is again: The asari don't question a justicar, it is culturally unacceptable. There may or may not be an actual law about it, probably not. Probably just a taboo. Nevertheless, they don't question a justicar. They know already that the Justicars are the law in asari space, what they say and do are Just and righteous. That is why choosing to resist a justicar is tantamount to suicide, they know this already. If they are stupid enough to ignore their culture and their history, then by their own code they must die. It isn't Samara's code, it is Asari Code.GothamLord wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Pleese you mean to tell me that if a person like Morinth was real, and had a freak ability to kill with sex, control minds and is ruthless you would arrest her, not kill her even tho you know she is very dangerous?Sorry if I was a cop I would kill her and pay the price, rather have a person like that dead.
My comment was directed as what sounded to be your casual brush off of killing police officers of being acceptable by Samara compared to Morinth's killings.
Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 29 mars 2010 - 04:59 .
Eh, I'd hardly equate Morinth to tragedy. At worst she's not able to have sex and has to be secluded. Her selective killings seem to suggest that she's perfectly in control of her actions.UsagiVindaloo wrote...
To be honest, it sounds like two different arguments are being held. The first: Is Morinth tragic, or just a monster? The second: Should she have been killed or not? I don't actually think the two arguments necessarily have anything to do with each other. Yes, I may have felt some sympathy for Morinth or attached some tragic significance to her backstory, and I felt upset after the confrontation. I still think b***h needed to die. :3 (Except, of course, in my current playthrough, where Shepard is currently running for EVIL QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE and considered Morinth's resume an excellent candidate for Chief Toady
Collider wrote...
Eh, I'd hardly equate Morinth to tragedy. At worst she's not able to have sex and has to be secluded. Her selective killings seem to suggest that she's perfectly in control of her actions.UsagiVindaloo wrote...
To be honest, it sounds like two different arguments are being held. The first: Is Morinth tragic, or just a monster? The second: Should she have been killed or not? I don't actually think the two arguments necessarily have anything to do with each other. Yes, I may have felt some sympathy for Morinth or attached some tragic significance to her backstory, and I felt upset after the confrontation. I still think b***h needed to die. :3 (Except, of course, in my current playthrough, where Shepard is currently running for EVIL QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE and considered Morinth's resume an excellent candidate for Chief Toady
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Except that the asari members of the police force wouldn't have complained, they would know they asked for it. Also, you make a good point with the My code thing. I just want to know what you are arguing for. Are you paragon or paragade? Do you support morinth or not? Do you honestly think she didn't deserve death or not? Just lay out all your thoughts on the matter in one post, let me get a sense of who I'm dealing with.
Collider wrote...
Eh, I'd hardly equate Morinth to tragedy. At worst she's not able to have sex and has to be secluded. Her selective killings seem to suggest that she's perfectly in control of her actions.UsagiVindaloo wrote...
To be honest, it sounds like two different arguments are being held. The first: Is Morinth tragic, or just a monster? The second: Should she have been killed or not? I don't actually think the two arguments necessarily have anything to do with each other. Yes, I may have felt some sympathy for Morinth or attached some tragic significance to her backstory, and I felt upset after the confrontation. I still think b***h needed to die. :3 (Except, of course, in my current playthrough, where Shepard is currently running for EVIL QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE and considered Morinth's resume an excellent candidate for Chief Toady
It's cool to talk about why we don't find her tragic, or why we do find her tragic... the thing that's bothering me is more the, "How on EARTH can you find her tragic?!" and "You don't find her tragic? Then you suck!" and the general feeling that there is only one "right" way to interpret her.
Modifié par Collider, 29 mars 2010 - 05:04 .
kraidy1117 wrote...
Collider wrote...
Eh, I'd hardly equate Morinth to tragedy. At worst she's not able to have sex and has to be secluded. Her selective killings seem to suggest that she's perfectly in control of her actions.UsagiVindaloo wrote...
To be honest, it sounds like two different arguments are being held. The first: Is Morinth tragic, or just a monster? The second: Should she have been killed or not? I don't actually think the two arguments necessarily have anything to do with each other. Yes, I may have felt some sympathy for Morinth or attached some tragic significance to her backstory, and I felt upset after the confrontation. I still think b***h needed to die. :3 (Except, of course, in my current playthrough, where Shepard is currently running for EVIL QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE and considered Morinth's resume an excellent candidate for Chief Toady
Some peiople might find that tragic that she can't have sex. Sex feels good and not having it would be boring
Collider wrote...
@usagi I agree, it's all opinion here. I like this conversation and how maturely you are handling it.
Uh, that's preferable to killing innocent people. Neither are great, but I'd rather not live with myself knowing that I have the blood of innocents on my hands just because I wanted to get off.GothamLord wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Collider wrote...
Eh, I'd hardly equate Morinth to tragedy. At worst she's not able to have sex and has to be secluded. Her selective killings seem to suggest that she's perfectly in control of her actions.UsagiVindaloo wrote...
To be honest, it sounds like two different arguments are being held. The first: Is Morinth tragic, or just a monster? The second: Should she have been killed or not? I don't actually think the two arguments necessarily have anything to do with each other. Yes, I may have felt some sympathy for Morinth or attached some tragic significance to her backstory, and I felt upset after the confrontation. I still think b***h needed to die. :3 (Except, of course, in my current playthrough, where Shepard is currently running for EVIL QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE and considered Morinth's resume an excellent candidate for Chief Toady
Some peiople might find that tragic that she can't have sex. Sex feels good and not having it would be boring
I could care less about the sex part. I dare anyone here though to truthfully say they would willingly live in the same house for the next 800 years without any outside contact other than the people that probably drop off your food and the guards outside that make sure you dont leave.
Collider wrote...
@usagi I agree, it's all opinion here. I like this conversation and how maturely you are handling it.
I am enjoying the conversation too, I just worry that it might be getting heated on some sides and that it might be going in circles. For what it's worth, I can totally understand why people might not find her tragic.
UsagiVindaloo wrote...
On the one hand, that background has given me a certain understanding for Morinth... of course, on the flip side, it may also mean I'm projecting a bit of that experience onto her (e.g. the idea that such a character can sometimes genuinely "love" their victim in a strange and twisted way).
Was I only one whos blood curled up when she told us some of her stories at her apt?Collider wrote...
Uh, that's preferable to killing innocent people. Neither are great, but I'd rather not live with myself knowing that I have the blood of innocents on my hands just because I wanted to get off.GothamLord wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Collider wrote...
Eh, I'd hardly equate Morinth to tragedy. At worst she's not able to have sex and has to be secluded. Her selective killings seem to suggest that she's perfectly in control of her actions.UsagiVindaloo wrote...
To be honest, it sounds like two different arguments are being held. The first: Is Morinth tragic, or just a monster? The second: Should she have been killed or not? I don't actually think the two arguments necessarily have anything to do with each other. Yes, I may have felt some sympathy for Morinth or attached some tragic significance to her backstory, and I felt upset after the confrontation. I still think b***h needed to die. :3 (Except, of course, in my current playthrough, where Shepard is currently running for EVIL QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE and considered Morinth's resume an excellent candidate for Chief Toady
Some peiople might find that tragic that she can't have sex. Sex feels good and not having it would be boring
I could care less about the sex part. I dare anyone here though to truthfully say they would willingly live in the same house for the next 800 years without any outside contact other than the people that probably drop off your food and the guards outside that make sure you dont leave.
Collider wrote...
Uh, that's preferable to killing innocent people. Neither are great, but I'd rather not live with myself knowing that I have the blood of innocents on my hands just because I wanted to get off.GothamLord wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Collider wrote...
Eh, I'd hardly equate Morinth to tragedy. At worst she's not able to have sex and has to be secluded. Her selective killings seem to suggest that she's perfectly in control of her actions.UsagiVindaloo wrote...
To be honest, it sounds like two different arguments are being held. The first: Is Morinth tragic, or just a monster? The second: Should she have been killed or not? I don't actually think the two arguments necessarily have anything to do with each other. Yes, I may have felt some sympathy for Morinth or attached some tragic significance to her backstory, and I felt upset after the confrontation. I still think b***h needed to die. :3 (Except, of course, in my current playthrough, where Shepard is currently running for EVIL QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE and considered Morinth's resume an excellent candidate for Chief Toady
Some peiople might find that tragic that she can't have sex. Sex feels good and not having it would be boring
I could care less about the sex part. I dare anyone here though to truthfully say they would willingly live in the same house for the next 800 years without any outside contact other than the people that probably drop off your food and the guards outside that make sure you dont leave.
UsagiVindaloo wrote...
Collider wrote...
@usagi I agree, it's all opinion here. I like this conversation and how maturely you are handling it.
Why thank you!
I think my opinion comes shaped from roleplaying Vampire pen and paper games a lot, where I've encountered (and even played) characters who kill in Morinth's manner and yet are still sympathetic protagonists (or, at least, operate on a different scale of morality than we do and thus are a bit tougher to judge). On the one hand, that background has given me a certain understanding for Morinth... of course, on the flip side, it may also mean I'm projecting a bit of that experience onto her (e.g. the idea that such a character can sometimes genuinely "love" their victim in a strange and twisted way).
Also, as I mentioned upthread, a large chunk of my sympathy is based less on Morinth herself and more how Samara treats her in the duel. Calling your daughter a disease to be purged is... uncalled for, I don't care if Morinth had Saren tattooed on her right asscheek and paraded through the middle of the quarian fleet belching on whoever she came across.
UsagiVindaloo wrote...
Collider wrote...
@usagi I agree, it's all opinion here. I like this conversation and how maturely you are handling it.
Why thank you!
I think my opinion comes shaped from roleplaying Vampire pen and paper games a lot, where I've encountered (and even played) characters who kill in Morinth's manner and yet are still sympathetic protagonists (or, at least, operate on a different scale of morality than we do and thus are a bit tougher to judge). On the one hand, that background has given me a certain understanding for Morinth... of course, on the flip side, it may also mean I'm projecting a bit of that experience onto her (e.g. the idea that such a character can sometimes genuinely "love" their victim in a strange and twisted way).
Also, as I mentioned upthread, a large chunk of my sympathy is based less on Morinth herself and more how Samara treats her in the duel. Calling your daughter a disease to be purged is... uncalled for, I don't care if Morinth had Saren tattooed on her right asscheek and paraded through the middle of the quarian fleet belching on whoever she came across.
Mallissin wrote...
UsagiVindaloo wrote...
On the one hand, that background has given me a certain understanding for Morinth... of course, on the flip side, it may also mean I'm projecting a bit of that experience onto her (e.g. the idea that such a character can sometimes genuinely "love" their victim in a strange and twisted way).
Kind of like a microbiologist that uses anti-bacterial soap?
GothamLord wrote...
I think I might be in the same boat for some of it because I was a huge Masquerade player. Big Lasombra / Venture player. I dont mind the debate. Everyone has opinions. Only time I'll get nasty is when people justify Samara saying shed kill cops. Momma Samara is a downright failure as a mother, and after what she said about her daughter being a disease (she already had two daughters go the Demon Wind route, you think she would have caught on)
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