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How did you guys feel after seeing Samara or Morinth get killed for the first time?


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You are wrong in that theory, I never watch crime thrillers.  My only experience of serial killers is from the investigation discovery channel, which is accounts of real life events.  I watched a program on Jack the Ripper and Charles whitman.  Both real people.


Okay, I give up.  You guys somehow have managed to absorb the pop culture definition of 'serial killer' without actually consuming much pop media.  

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Don't count on it. It seems Morinth is the least likely to return, no question. Plus, she has more room to eat interesting people if she's off the Normandy.


Yeah, I figure as much. A shame... not so much because of her, but because it would be nice to feel like a big decision like that is going to majorly affect my ME3 playthrough (I joke that my current EVIL femShep is going out of her way to make ME3 an absolute disaster zone). 


I think Morinth will return as a squad mate if Samara is available in ME3.
- same character model
- same voice (mostly)
= not much work for BW

I don't think Samara will return as a squadmate.  I think she will show up once to convince the Asari councilor that the reapers are real and that will be that.  If you save morinth then Morinth might impersonate her mother for you, or she might not come into play at all, kinda like that asari that speaks for the rachni.  If you saved the rachni, she's on illium, if not then she isn't.

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Terraneaux wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

You are wrong in that theory, I never watch crime thrillers.  My only experience of serial killers is from the investigation discovery channel, which is accounts of real life events.  I watched a program on Jack the Ripper and Charles whitman.  Both real people.


Okay, I give up.  You guys somehow have managed to absorb the pop culture definition of 'serial killer' without actually consuming much pop media.  


Or it is possible that the pop culture definition is based on the real definition, pop culture isn't exactly original.

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

You are wrong in that theory, I never watch crime thrillers.  My only experience of serial killers is from the investigation discovery channel, which is accounts of real life events.  I watched a program on Jack the Ripper and Charles whitman.  Both real people.


Okay, I give up.  You guys somehow have managed to absorb the pop culture definition of 'serial killer' without actually consuming much pop media.  


Or it is possible that the pop culture definition is based on the real definition, pop culture isn't exactly original.


Wiktionary wrote...

serial killer (plural serial killers)A person who commits multiple (more than two) murders, especially similar ones with no obvious motive.



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:) I was right.

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Got quiet in here all of a sudden. Sup Collider?

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About serial killers. I was right in my definition. Serial killers don't [i]have[i] to have certain psychological traits as some would assume, I agree. I do think Morinth is horrible and deserves a bullet in the face.

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Collider wrote...

I do think Morinth is horrible and deserves a bullet in the face.


Morinth isn't more evil than Thane, Jack (or Okeer) imo.

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Barquiel wrote...

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I do think Morinth is horrible and deserves a bullet in the face.


Morinth isn't more evil than Thane, Jack (or Okeer) imo.

Thane doesn't kill for sexual pleasure.

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He killed for money, that's not better

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Barquiel wrote...

He killed for money, that's not better

He stopped killing for money, if he ever did. Dantius he killed for no charge. And she was pretty damn corrupt. Whereas Morinth is just eating interesting people.

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I know...but do you really think Thane never killed innocents?



He changed his ways after Irikah was murdered.


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Terraneaux wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

You are wrong in that theory, I never watch crime thrillers.  My only experience of serial killers is from the investigation discovery channel, which is accounts of real life events.  I watched a program on Jack the Ripper and Charles whitman.  Both real people.


Okay, I give up.  You guys somehow have managed to absorb the pop culture definition of 'serial killer' without actually consuming much pop media.  


Or it is possible that the pop culture definition is based on the real definition, pop culture isn't exactly original.


Wiktionary wrote...

serial killer (plural serial killers)A person who commits multiple (more than two) murders, especially similar ones with no obvious motive.

Multiple murders over the course of time, and similar ones.  That is different than a one shot pony murder where someone goes crazy and shoots up a school.  Mass Murderer still =/= Serial killer.  

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I know...but do you really think Thane never killed innocents?

He changed his ways after Irikah was murdered.


He was working for the hanar before Irikah, why would they have him kill innocents?

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Barquiel wrote...

I know...but do you really think Thane never killed innocents?

He changed his ways after Irikah was murdered.

I don't know, we never really know many of the people he killed, aside from Dantius and his mother's killers. At least Thane changes his ways, Morinth just...eats people. I'd trust Thane a million more times than I'd trust Morinth.

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The fight is mean as man.. gotta love the conversation before the fight tho when shepard goes



" Im not the victim you were hopeing for " that was like mean as man

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All I felt after hearing the *crunch* was hungry. So I went and ate some cereal.

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I know...but do you really think Thane never killed innocents?

He changed his ways after Irikah was murdered.


He was working for the hanar before Irikah, why would they have him kill innocents?


iirc...once he left the Hanar services, he went  freelance and after his wife was murdered he changed his ways (= he killed people who "deserved" it)

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Barquiel wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I know...but do you really think Thane never killed innocents?

He changed his ways after Irikah was murdered.


He was working for the hanar before Irikah, why would they have him kill innocents?


iirc...once he left the Hanar services, he went  freelance and after his wife was murdered he changed his ways (= he killed people who "deserved" it)


I don't know if you can actually say that Morinth delighted in the fact that the people died. Was the enraptured with greatness? Yes. Did she enjoy becoming more powerful? Definitely... but I also feel that she regretted having people die (to a point). Does that make her any less warped? Nope; however, her desire to be free... to express herself, to not be conformed to a society standard or under the beliefs of her mother... it's something many people can relate to. BioWare just made it even more complicated by making her a perfect killing machine. 

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At least Thane changes his ways, Morinth just...eats people. I'd trust Thane a million more times than I'd trust Morinth.


Morinth is young for an asari. Maybe saving the galaxy will change her; it was probably the first time in her life that she protects others.

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Barquiel wrote...

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At least Thane changes his ways, Morinth just...eats people. I'd trust Thane a million more times than I'd trust Morinth.


Morinth is young for an asari. Maybe saving the galaxy will change her; it was probably the first time in her life that she protects others.

Doesn't stop her from killing you if you sleep with her on the Normandy after the suicide mission, lol. So much for changing her.

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I kinda felt sorry for Morinth when she said "And they call me a monster" but I still won't kill Samara just because she said that.

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Doesn't stop her from killing you if you sleep with her on the Normandy after the suicide mission, lol. So much for changing her.


Every single female squadmate wants Shepard...Morinth can't change overnight ^_^
Maybe she really believes that Shepard can survive the melding?

I am not saying Morinth is a good person (I usually help Samara), but I think a professional freelance assassin isn't better. Maybe she will change her ways. Maybe she won't...

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Morinth has been doing what she does for 400 years. Shes not stupid. I highly doubt she'd leave a port "littered" with bodies. I mean seriously? That would be totally out of character for her to do.


Really? She's kept a low profile because she knew her mother was out there and hunting her. That has been taken care of, with a little help from you. Outside Asari Space people don't know jack about Ardat-Yakshis. All that could restrain her hunger is her own standard of who will qualify as prey.


Yes really. Shes a serial killer. Serial killers dont become what they are by being stupid. Most serial killers are highly intelligent, they however are mental disturbed. You act like outside of Asari Space police still arent going to look into murder investigations. Any civilized location she goes to shes going to have to keep a low profile. Omega has no real law and she kept her head down. You really think that was because of the girl's mother?? I doubt the mother was any threat to a biotic of her level.


Exactly.  Morinth would be the closest thing to a vampire, her addiction is also her lifestyle.   It's gone way past being a compulsion when she targets an impressionable kid like Nef on Omega.   If she just stalked poor Nef,  that would be one thing, but she also brainwashed her.  It wasn't enough for Morinth that she was going to always end her life, she needed Nef to devalue herself as trash in order for her to become obsessed. 

Morinth starts killing her victims long before the final deed.  She's just savoring every moment of it.



Depends how you interpret her relationship with Nef. One could see her as the sort of vampire who actually genuinely *likes* her victims in an extremely twisted way, and in fact only eats the people she likes... er, you know what I mean. XD I found it interesting how many of her own genuine interests she shared with Nef, which makes me think that part of the pleasure in the kill is forming that connection with a real kindred spirit.

Not saying that she's all fluffy and affectionate over Nef, more... I don't know, it's hard to explain. Like part of the reason she chooses her victims is *because* she's attracted to them, and vice versa. I guess I imagine Morinth's internal monologue as, "Look at her. She's so creative, and shy, and vulnerable... she has such a beautiful spark. I HAVE to have her. That spark will be at its most beautiful as it fizzles out." Thus I didn't really interpret her treatment of Nef as "devaluing" her or killing her before the final blow, more as an incredibly twisted way of cultivating the relationship so that Nef could be her "perfect mate" (both in a real sense and as a victim; they're one and the same to Morinth). Not that that's much better, but it's a bit different... a more subtle evil, if you will.


That's certainly one way to look at it.   I understand that she takes a deep personal interest in her victims, but don't you think she's a little too much of a narcissist to have a courtship with each of them?

Did she really need to brainwash Nef?  She was already a poor impressionable kid. It just seems that Morinth wants her victims to be so captivated with her to the point of excluding everyone and everything else in their lives.  



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Barquiel wrote...

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Doesn't stop her from killing you if you sleep with her on the Normandy after the suicide mission, lol. So much for changing her.


Every single female squadmate wants Shepard...Morinth can't change overnight ^_^
Maybe she really believes that Shepard can survive the melding?

I am not saying Morinth is a good person (I usually help Samara), but I think a professional freelance assassin isn't better. Maybe she will change her ways. Maybe she won't...




Morinth is a LIAR.  I've got the Critical Mission Failure to prove it. 

She knows exactly what she's doing.