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[gloowacz]

Razor124 wrote...

The tank just moved front and back and side to side as if the player was handling a human... A vehicle needs to stop and turn it's wheels and maneuver to make turns. But the HH just did it...

Erm... wheels? in a hovercraft? Besides, helicopters can move in any direction without turning to face that direction, does it mean they are not vehicles?

On the other hand, i would like HH to take a bit time to come to a stop, right now when i release forward it just stops, i would like it to keep it's momentum and slow down gradually.

Razor124 wrote..

Except they did make millions of dollars... On the money we ALREADY spent buying the game that should have come with this content in the first place.

I don't get you. HH was free, it was just released some time after the actual game. Would you really like to wait for ME2 several months longer just to have built-in HH, which you consider "a garbage" ?

Razor124 wrote..

Now they're trying to cash in even more by charging us for Kasumi, which we already have the capability of playing on our disks that we already paid for!

The fact that there's an image of her + placeholder model does not mean you can in any way have her in game. There are tons of scripts that need to be included, along with mission/missions -> (level geometry and sound, storyline scripts, etc ) all this is missing.

BTW, what does Kasumi have to do with Hammerhead?

Modifié par gloowacz, 06 avril 2010 - 11:58 .

[Razor124]

gloowacz wrote...

Razor124 wrote...

The tank just moved front and back and side to side as if the player was handling a human... A vehicle needs to stop and turn it's wheels and maneuver to make turns. But the HH just did it...

Erm... wheels? in a hovercraft? Besides, helicopters can move in any direction without turning to face that direction, does it mean they are not vehicles?

On the other hand, i would like HH to take a bit time to come to a stop, right now when i release forward it just stops, i would like it to keep it's momentum and slow down gradually.

No... not wheels on the HH, just vehicles in general.. I guess I didn't express what I meant well in saying it controled like a human...

I figure we're both on the same page with what you said about momentum, but I think I took it a bit further... I'm just gonna leave it alone as "I preferred the Mako, all in all."

gloowacz

Razor124 wrote..

Except they did make millions of dollars... On the money we ALREADY spent buying the game that should have come with this content in the first place.

I don't get you. HH was free, it was just released some time after the actual game. Would you really like to wait for ME2 several months longer just to have built-in HH, which you consider "a garbage" ?

Razor124 wrote..

Now they're trying to cash in even more by charging us for Kasumi, which we already have the capability of playing on our disks that we already paid for!

The fact that there's an image of her + placeholder model does not mean you can in any way have her in game. There are tons of scripts that need to be included, along with mission/missions -> (level geometry and sound, storyline scripts, etc ) all this is missing.

BTW, what does Kasumi have to do with Hammerhead?

Ok... How much you bet that from this point on we never get another character add-on? Because they already had her in-game pre-release. She wasn't meant as an add-on initially. She was going to be part of the game but they chopped her out for whatever reason. Now they're charging us to put her back in...
One word pretty much sums that up... LAME!!!

Kasumi as content has nothing to do with the HH, but as DLC she's the epitome of my arguement... All this other "crap" DLC thus far has been a crutch for what we can expect from BW. All i'm saying is that EVERYTHING theyve given us thus far (be it free or not) has been extremely sub-par...

Why should Kasumi or anything here-after be any different?

Modifié par Razor124, 07 avril 2010 - 05:18 .

[UsagiVindaloo]

Razor124 wrote...

I don't understand how you can all be so discriminatory against me simply for stating MY OPINION... It is exactly that, so how can you tell me I'm wrong?! An opinion can neither be right nor wrong... it's just an opinion!

In stating the DLC thus far is garbage, I'm simply breaking out of my "BW fan" bubble and am being unbiased and non-subjective. a critic has to view everything as neutral, otherwise their critique will be biased, scewed, and unfair, thus making it not a critique.

These two sentences contradict each other, Razor. Are you stating your opinion, or an unbiased fact? If the former, then definitely, that's fine, it's your opinion that the HH is bad, and that opinion is 100% correct (for you).

But in that case, my opinion is that the HH was fun and a nice change of pace and even exciting in places and definitely good value for a free download... and that is also 100% correct (for me).

As stated upthread, if you're talking about your opinion, PLEASE state it as such. Don't say, "this is garbage," say, "I think this is garbage," or "I found it to be garbage, personally, but your mileage may vary."

But if you're trying to argue *objectively* that the download is garbage (ie that it is a fact) then of course people are going to argue. The very fact that there are many people in this thread who enjoyed it seems to indicate that it's not total garbage, at least, so it's good to take a breath and see different viewpoints, and that they might be onto something.

[Razor124]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Razor124 wrote...

I don't understand how you can all be so discriminatory against me simply for stating MY OPINION... It is exactly that, so how can you tell me I'm wrong?! An opinion can neither be right nor wrong... it's just an opinion!

In stating the DLC thus far is garbage, I'm simply breaking out of my "BW fan" bubble and am being unbiased and non-objective. a critic has to view everything as neutral, otherwise their critique will be biased, scewed, and unfair, thus making it not a critique.

These two sentences contradict each other, Razor. Are you stating your opinion, or an unbiased fact? If the former, then definitely, that's fine, it's your opinion that the HH is bad, and that opinion is 100% correct (for you).

But in that case, my opinion is that the HH was fun and a nice change of pace and even exciting in places and definitely good value for a free download... and that is also 100% correct (for me).

As stated upthread, if you're talking about your opinion, PLEASE state it as such. Don't say, "this is garbage," say, "I think this is garbage," or "I found it to be garbage, personally, but your mileage may vary."

But if you're trying to argue *objectively* that the download is garbage (ie that it is a fact) then of course people are going to argue. The very fact that there are many people in this thread who enjoyed it seems to indicate that it's not total garbage, at least, so it's good to take a breath and see different viewpoints, and that they might be onto something.

I agree whole-heartedly...

I admit that in my initial post i should have said "In my opinion" and "I think" at least a few times... That was my mistake and I own up to that...

But my arguement now is that people are so brainwashed that they're throwing away their standards and are just praising BW simply for being BW...

I am now and probably will always be a big BW fan. But I, unlike many many MANY others out there, am not afraid to break out of that shell and express what I really think...

Is that more clear?

[kaotician]

'epitomy' is 'epitome'.

[Razor124]

kaotician wrote...

'epitomy' is 'epitome'.

Thank you...

*Goes to EDIT*

[UsagiVindaloo]

Razor124 wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Razor124 wrote...

I don't understand how you can all be so discriminatory against me simply for stating MY OPINION... It is exactly that, so how can you tell me I'm wrong?! An opinion can neither be right nor wrong... it's just an opinion!

In stating the DLC thus far is garbage, I'm simply breaking out of my "BW fan" bubble and am being unbiased and non-objective. a critic has to view everything as neutral, otherwise their critique will be biased, scewed, and unfair, thus making it not a critique.

These two sentences contradict each other, Razor. Are you stating your opinion, or an unbiased fact? If the former, then definitely, that's fine, it's your opinion that the HH is bad, and that opinion is 100% correct (for you).

But in that case, my opinion is that the HH was fun and a nice change of pace and even exciting in places and definitely good value for a free download... and that is also 100% correct (for me).

As stated upthread, if you're talking about your opinion, PLEASE state it as such. Don't say, "this is garbage," say, "I think this is garbage," or "I found it to be garbage, personally, but your mileage may vary."

But if you're trying to argue *objectively* that the download is garbage (ie that it is a fact) then of course people are going to argue. The very fact that there are many people in this thread who enjoyed it seems to indicate that it's not total garbage, at least, so it's good to take a breath and see different viewpoints, and that they might be onto something.

I agree whole-heartedly...

I admit that in my initial post i should have said "In my opinion" and "I think" at least a few times... That was my mistake and I own up to that...

But my arguement now is that people are so brainwashed that they're throwing away their standards and are just praising BW simply for being BW...

I am now and probably will always be a big BW fan. But I, unlike many many MANY others out there, am not afraid to break out of that shell and express what I really think...

Is that more clear?

That's fair enough, but to be honest, it seems like you have also been angrily arguing with people in this thread that have expressed genuine appreciation for the content, not just because it's BW. There are plenty of reasons why someone might hold this up and say, "You know what, this is good DLC."

For what it's worth, my thoughts on the Hammerhead were as follows:
- It handled much better than the Mako, felt fast and fun, and I always felt fully in control. I'm not saying that the brick physics of the Mako weren't fun in their own way (I had an odd affection for tipping the thing over and chugging up a mountain) but with this, the controls felt smooth and intuitive.
- The combat was not quite as good as the Mako, partly due to lack of armor and partly due to one gun instead of two. I found it very easy to park from a large distance and bounce up and down to kill Geth at range. I think it would have been fine if there were just one or two sets of Geth in all the missions, but as it was, it still wasn't that bad.
- They made a really nice change of pace from regular gameplay, sort of "And now for something completely different!" Not that the main game is bad, of course! But it was sort of neat to shift into a fast vehicle section with platformer elements. The hovering was great for that, and there was a sense of speed and exhileration. I especially liked the volcano planet where you're trying to escape the eruptions. 
- I do acknowledge that I wouldn't have been happy spending money on this, or at least any more than 160 MS points. That doesn't mean it wasn't fun, it means that it was just nice and bitesized as opposed to a standalone big thing.
- I look at it as a really cool and fun demo of sorts. I do feel, though, that Bioware needs to follow up on it and make more missions, hopefully with some new elements (e.g. more planetary exploration, perhaps one that involves getting in and out of the HH at points?) If this is all the HH content we ever get, then yes, I would be disappointed, as this does not feel "stand alone".

But I still think it was pretty darned good, not "garbage." My opinion, of course, but that doesn't mean that I (and the others in this thread) are mindless BW fanboys/fangirls, it just means that... we had fun? 

[gloowacz]

Razor124 wrote...

No... not wheels on the HH, just vehicles in general.. I guess I didn't express what I meant well in saying it controled like a human...

I figure we're both on the same page with what you said about momentum, but I think I took it a bit further... I'm just gonna leave it alone as "I preferred the Mako, all in all."

HA! I knew sooner or later we will agree on some topic 
I liked Mako, i LOVED how the wheels were moving up and down in rough terrain, but i disliked it's chaingun. It had too much spread for my taste (it's an tank embedded machinegun for Lord's sake!)

On the other hand Mako MISSIONS were fun for first 40 minutes, then they became boring.

Razor124 wrote..

Ok... How much you bet that from this point on we never get another character add-on? Because they already had her in-game pre-release. She wasn't meant as an add-on initially. She was going to be part of the game but they chopped her out for whatever reason. Now they're charging us to put her back in...
One word pretty much sums that up... LAME!!!

I could argue that if she was meant to be part of 'box' content she would be part of 'box' content, but this is a lame argument. I will only say that in my opinion it's up to developer to decide what goes as a 'box' content and what as DLC. If BW wants only give us 1st mission in 'box' and whole rest as DLC - their choice. It's our choice whether we like or dislike such choice. (actually liking/disliking isn't a matter of choice i believe but i hope you get what i mean) I'm not a fan of DLC in general, but i don't think BW crossed the line anywhere.

Note: i do believe people are giving positive feedback on Kasumi DLC?

Razor124 wrote..

Kasumi as content has nothing to do with the HH, but as DLC she's the epitome of my arguement... All this other "crap" DLC thus far has been a crutch for what we can expect from BW. All i'm saying is that EVERYTHING theyve given us thus far (be it free or not) has been extremely sub-par...

<searches for 'epitome' in english-polish dictionary>
... aaaah!

epitome (Greek epitemnein—to cut short) is a summary or miniature form; an instance that represents a larger reality, also used as a synonym for embodiment. *all hail Wikipedia powah!*

Hmmm... again, sub-par - matter of opinion. I do agree that most of free DLC released to-date is only cosmetic surgery (except for Zaeed) but that's what free DLC should be.

Razor124 wrote..

Why should Kasumi or anything here-after be any different?

Kasumi feedback from other forums seems to contradict your theory. (only looked over topic titles so far, not enough time)

[inversevideo]

OP, I read your post and agree with most of it.

But do consider, that the download was free.
There may be some users who enjoy more arcade like action and less RPG, and this gives them a shot at some variety.

My feeling is that I tried it, did not like it, won't use it again.
But will not fault Bioware for putting it out there, if only to see how much of the user base actually likes content like this. They have no way of knowing until they actually put it out there.
It is cheaper and easier to make, and if it turns out that fans do enjoy this kind of fare, then there will be more. Simple economics.

Along those lines I don't think folks should flame the OP for his opinion.
Bioware needs to hear what folks think. Intelligent criticism helps Bioware to better allocate resources for future DLC. Bioware will produce the kind of DLC folks want, or what sells the game. If folks do not speak up, either for or against, it is hard to do other than guess.

I do not think the hammerhead is easier to operate than the mako.
I could get out of the mako at will.
The hammerhead missions are too arcade like for my taste; very little plot, interaction, or reason to do them, other than to shoot a target. But this is how many of the N7 missions feel to me, as well.
This 'cerberus' mission just seemed to provide even less interaction than many, other side missions, with the hammerhead being essentially a floating gun and you get to pick off targets. Arcade.

I would rather, that folks are able to provide their feedback to Bioware constructively and let the suits tally up pros & cons. There is no need for flaming.

As far as my personal enjoyment of ME2 is concerned, I can safely ignore the hammerhead download as not fun for me, it was free, no big, and there are other things, in the game that I do enjoy.

Modifié par inversevideo, 07 avril 2010 - 08:38 .

[skcih-deraj]

Playing it made me miss the mako. I could get out when ever I wanted, you could zoom in on a target and most importantly it could take more damage.



But their were thing I did like. Being able to speed up and not having to what to shoot another rocket. (thats it really)

[Razor124]

inversevideo wrote...

OP, I read your post and agree with most of it.

But do consider, that the download was free.
There may be some users who enjoy more arcade like action and less RPG, and this gives them a shot at some variety.

My feeling is that I tried it, did not like it, won't use it again.
But will not fault Bioware for putting it out there, if only to see how much of the user base actually likes content like this. They have no way of knowing until they actually put it out there.
It is cheaper and easier to make, and if it turns out that fans do enjoy this kind of fare, then there will be more. Simple economics.

Along those lines I don't think folks should flame the OP for his opinion.
Bioware needs to hear what folks think. Intelligent criticism helps Bioware to better allocate resources for future DLC. Bioware will produce the kind of DLC folks want, or what sells the game. If folks do not speak up, either for or against, it is hard to do other than guess.

I do not think the hammerhead is easier to operate than the mako.
I could get out of the mako at will.
The hammerhead missions are too arcade like for my taste; very little plot, interaction, or reason to do them, other than to shoot a target. But this is how many of the N7 missions feel to me, as well.
This 'cerberus' mission just seemed to provide even less interaction than many, other side missions, with the hammerhead being essentially a floating gun and you get to pick off targets. Arcade.

I would rather, that folks are able to provide their feedback to Bioware constructively and let the suits tally up pros & cons. There is no need for flaming.

As far as my personal enjoyment of ME2 is concerned, I can safely ignore the hammerhead download as not fun for me, it was free, no big, and there are other things, in the game that I do enjoy.

Finally! Someone educated reads my post!!! (lol, jk there's been plenty thus far)

If i didn't have class in 30 minutes I'd respond very detailed to your post... I promise I'll get to it after class!

[Tapko]

i hate hammerhead. i hate it when i cannot save and get dozen times killed by some idiotic lava stream (firewalker mission). i play the ME series because they are awesome action RPG games and i really hate it when a game is turned to a primitive jump and run platformer for pre-school kiddos. abandoning mako and introducing hammerhead ****whatever i therefore consider as one of the major flaws of the series.

Modifié par Tapko, 13 mars 2012 - 06:29 .