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[Wickedjelly]

It's a damn good game in my opinion. A bit buggier than I would have expected in all honesty and I have some minor gripes with the gameplay but overall it's definitely worth playing if you enjoy the genre and in some ares it excels such as how much can be affected by the choices you make and the party interactions with each other and yourself.



I don't know if I would say it's the best rpg I've ever played but it's definitely up there pretty high on my list.

[ZeroMystic]

I don't think you could ever take BG2 off it's throne even if you made a better game. BG2 has just been embedded in our minds for far too long.

Now it is my right to tell you that BG2 was absolutely terrible, I started the game and realized it was total and utter complete crap. Started the game, got to the first room, got sick of not knowing how any of the rules and things wroked, couldn't get out of the 1st room, For the record I also could not finish the tuorial either I got sick and tired of hearing YOU HAVE NOT SLEPT YET, and no explanations on how to shut the guy up, In both cases I had no explantions on how anything worked that was understandable that I un-installed the game and never ever tried playing it again.

Any game that uses such a complex ruling system that is completely beyond out of control, then does not ever break down the way everything works together such as BG2 is set up, is terrible. When a game is released it is the makers of the game's responsibility to make sure everyone will understand how to play, not just a specialized group of people.

And please people don't bother trying to say someone who doesn't know the rules or things in BG2 is stupid or dumb, everyone full well knows the 2nd Edition D&D rules were teh biggest clust screw of non-intuative bunch of crap, it was impossible to even attempt to use common sense with it. So again don't bother trying to say the usual well you must be dumb to not understand this line of crap

Bottom line is this:
You do not ever use rules and impliment them into a game, that only people who play D&D will ever understand.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 09 novembre 2009 - 03:20 .

[ZeroMystic]

How do you change what I said into this

then maybe it simply isnt your game

If you don't like it, then don't play it

Where do you people get this crap from.

[Nosuchluck]

ZeroMystic wrote...

I don't think you could ever take BG2 off it's throne even if you made a better game. BG2 has just been embedded in our minds for far too long.

Now it is my right to tell you that BG2 was absolutely terrible

*Head explode*

[ZeroMystic]

Nosuchluck,

Don't paraphrase things I say



There is a whole valid explanations as to WHY I said that, uyou are trying to make it like I just said that without reason.

[Edner132435]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Exactly how is this useless? You deem it useless so that makes it useless give it up already. People on this forum need to learn that this "Well I think the game is the best ever made so how dare anyone say anything bad about it attitude needs to stop

I have a right to my opinion. And will post it when I see fit, dont' like it reading it, then stop reading it.. But you cannot say that my opinion is useless nad yours is not.

You say you have a right to your opinion, but others need to shut up about their opinion? saaaaay whaaaat? Make sense maybe?

[Nosuchluck]

ZeroMystic wrote...
There is a whole valid explanations as to WHY I said that, uyou are trying to make it like I just said that without reason.

Not figuring out how to get out of the first room isn't a valid reason.

[Edner132435]

You say BG2 was crap??? Man, your view on things is ****ed. Your opinion is hereby deemed ignorable by everyone.
Of course you can dislike the game, but it was definitely not utter crap.

Modifié par Edner132435, 09 novembre 2009 - 03:32 .

[Draelorn]

ZeroMystic wrote...

this is easily the best RPG i have ever played on the computer. i have played... all of them. every good RPG worth mentioning, and then some. Dragon Age wins.

2 things:
1. Outside of your opinion...Define good RPG?
2. You and others still have not given any valid reasons about what sets Dragon Age Origins apart from every other RPG that has been released in the past 2 years.

This game reminds me exactly of Risen, which is a very well put together dialoged, story emmersed, great combat system driven based RPG.

The Menu System in Dragon Age Origins, is old as well, this stype of combat menu system and control has been done to death in all turned based RPG's.

Zero Mystic, we know a good RPG when we see one. If were that simple we'd all be making them for each other.

Apparently you like Risen and you think DA:O is just as good so enjoy.  What is your perfect RPG?  Use your imagination and make one.  We are curious if you have balls enough to put your brain on the line for us to judge like you want to judge others. Go ahead smart guy

Modifié par Draelorn, 09 novembre 2009 - 03:44 .

[Xalm Grey]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Exactly how is this useless? You deem it useless so that makes it useless give it up already. People on this forum need to learn that this "Well I think the game is the best ever made so how dare anyone say anything bad about it attitude needs to stop

I have a right to my opinion. And will post it when I see fit, dont' like it reading it, then stop reading it.. But you cannot say that my opinion is useless nad yours is not.

They can and will try to drive home how you are oh so wrong. There's an 11 page discussion regarding this game where the die hard BG players have come out enmass to tell me just how wrong i am for my opinion. Its quite the read if you catch it.

[Xalm Grey]

Mablung79 wrote...

Why do we have to justify why we like this game? If you don't like it DON'T PLAY IT. This thread is useless because nothing anyone says will change your mind. This thread is just flame bait. Move along people nothing to see here.

You don't have to justify it. The reason you seem compelled to though is odd and known only to you.

[Draelorn]

Xalm Grey wrote...

ZeroMystic wrote...

Exactly how is this useless? You deem it useless so that makes it useless give it up already. People on this forum need to learn that this "Well I think the game is the best ever made so how dare anyone say anything bad about it attitude needs to stop

I have a right to my opinion. And will post it when I see fit, dont' like it reading it, then stop reading it.. But you cannot say that my opinion is useless nad yours is not.

They can and will try to drive home how you are oh so wrong. There's an 11 page discussion regarding this game where the die hard BG players have come out enmass to tell me just how wrong i am for my opinion. Its quite the read if you catch it.

My question to you guys who may be understandably pissed is, are you going to get a better game by putting down those who like it, or by crafting a letter to the company?  Why do you want to call the people that like it out for it?  Does that make sense?

Some of us may even agree with you but we are still enjoying the game.  We are all onthe same side believe it or not.  The gamers and the designers are all gamers and we all benefit from constructive dialogue,

[Malecite00]

I have a question, what is with these STUPID POSTS constantly having to either a) defend outrageous claims about the game or attack said claims. IT DOESN"T SOLVE ANYTHING and you all look like idiots doing it. Take the game at face value and be done with it, all these useless freaking drags do is clutter the forums and make it impossible for me to actually find something worth read/commenting on. I personally find the game to be a fantastically addicting experience, is it the best game ive ever played??? I have no ****ing idea, how do you quantify such things? Moreover, what does it matter. So to the poster of this thread, while your thread is less of a rant, please, in the future, dont post this kind of crap.

[bobnolan]

ZeroMystic wrote...

I don't think you could ever take BG2 off it's throne even if you made a better game. BG2 has just been embedded in our minds for far too long.

Now it is my right to tell you that BG2 was absolutely terrible, I started the game and realized it was total and utter complete crap. Started the game, got to the first room, got sick of not knowing how any of the rules and things wroked, couldn't get out of the 1st room, For the record I also could not finish the tuorial either I got sick and tired of hearing YOU HAVE NOT SLEPT YET, and no explanations on how to shut the guy up, In both cases I had no explantions on how anything worked that was understandable that I un-installed the game and never ever tried playing it again.

Any game that uses such a complex ruling system that is completely beyond out of control, then does not ever break down the way everything works together such as BG2 is set up, is terrible. When a game is released it is the makers of the game's responsibility to make sure everyone will understand how to play, not just a specialized group of people.

And please people don't bother trying to say someone who doesn't know the rules or things in BG2 is stupid or dumb, everyone full well knows the 2nd Edition D&D rules were teh biggest clust screw of non-intuative bunch of crap, it was impossible to even attempt to use common sense with it. So again don't bother trying to say the usual well you must be dumb to not understand this line of crap

Bottom line is this:
You do not ever use rules and impliment them into a game, that only people who play D&D will ever understand.

I wouldn't call the game crap, but I do think BG2 is one of the most overrated games out there (next to the likes of Chrono Trigger and Ocarina of Time). But to be honest with you, I wasn't a fan of the D&D system used in the infinity engine games (not bad, but it wasn't my cup of tea).  The D&D system used in The Temple of Elemental Evil was awesome though; it was actually fun to play.  If anybody here enjoy strategy over story, you shoul, definitly try TTEE.

As far as I can tell about DAO,  the game is pretty much of big cliche of RPG story and battles, but people like it because of the way of those "cliche" elements are excecuted. 

[the_esherick]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Nosuchluck,
Don't paraphrase things I say

There is a whole valid explanations as to WHY I said that, uyou are trying to make it like I just said that without reason.

Accept its not valid. For those of us who played BG 1&2 and loved it, we are not understanding where you are comming from. To me the systems that bioware had in play within those games were perfectly understandable and easy to use. That is comming from someone who at the time, knew NOTHING of DnD or the rulesets involved. Years later I have a better understanding of DnD and am still of the opinion that BG 1&2 were great, timeless games with great voice acting (loved minsc) and even better storytelling.

Bioware in known for their ability to create emersive worlds that suck you in and don't let you untill they are finished. Any Bioware game has done this to some extent. (for me less so with Mass Effect). Their story telling is second to none. That is what this game is about. Yes, it has combined elements that have been used for years. Such as the hotbar, talent trees, computer AI, and 3rd person/top down view of the characters.

In recent years all of these elements came together in MMO's however, it was developers like bioware who years before the invention of the MMO used these elements (hotbar and talent trees). 

If you are not one who like to emerce yourself into a world and become the center of an unfolding story, then Bioware games and RPG games for that matter are for you. I understand you are trying to understand what makes this game so compelling and great, but I think you are getting hung up on the use of time-tested systems. This game is about STORYTELLING. That is what makes this game fabulus.  This is a game that the greater part of the RPG fans have been waiting for since the days of Baulder's Gate. There really has not been a game since those two games (15 years ago) that has matched their story, with a system that allows the player to both be emerced within it and be tactical. Then came Dragon Age. There is a reason it is hailed as the Spiritual Sucsessor to Bauler's Gate

I hope I have made my point.

On a little sidenote, before you start judging the game on its machanics, play it a little bit please. I notice that your character is still Level one. Now i may be wrong, and you might just not have logged into your account while playing, but from the looks of it you havn't really touched the game yet. I appologise if you have logged hours on hours on the game.

Thank you for reading,
Esh

 

[Xalm Grey]

Malecite00 wrote...

I have a question, what is with these STUPID POSTS constantly having to either a) defend outrageous claims about the game or attack said claims. IT DOESN"T SOLVE ANYTHING and you all look like idiots doing it. Take the game at face value and be done with it, all these useless freaking drags do is clutter the forums and make it impossible for me to actually find something worth read/commenting on. I personally find the game to be a fantastically addicting experience, is it the best game ive ever played??? I have no ****ing idea, how do you quantify such things? Moreover, what does it matter. So to the poster of this thread, while your thread is less of a rant, please, in the future, dont post this kind of crap.

So your opinion trumps his just cause? And he has no right to come here and express himself? Give me a break. Btw i don't see a moderator tag next to your name and yet here you are asking him not to post what you consider "crap". These forums are hilarious.

[ZeroMystic]

How is what i said about BG2 not valid.

Fact 1
Everyone who knows anything about D&D knows that the 2nd Edition D&D rules are the most complex rules system ever made for any game.

Fact 2:
Everyone who knows anything about D&D knows that in order to actually fully understand the the 2nd Edition D&D rules, someone has to verbally go over all the mechanics of it with you.

FACT 3:
Anyone that knows about BG2, knows that Balder's gate 2 has and uses the 2nd edition D&D rules

FINAL FACT:
Anyone that knows about the 2nd Edition D&D rules and knows about BG2, knows that the only way the game can be played enjoyably, IS by having a very good understanding of the 2nd Edition D&D rules.

Again everything I said is 100% valid and factual

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 09 novembre 2009 - 04:22 .

[Edner132435]

Your "facts" are false. 1. eh, mebbe, 2. YOU didn't understand them and had to have someone teach them to you (not everyone ever born), 3. true, 4. I knew nothing about D&D ruleset when I played BG2 for the first time and I had an absolutely great time playing even though I didn't get the rules completely. I know them now (mostly), and still get the same enjoyment out of it. As I said before, stop making blanket statements about everything you talk about, and stop using FACT to emphasize what you THINK

[the_esherick]

I'm not going to argue with you. You have your issues with the game, and that's fine. I will tell you this, you are missing a great story, and that is what this game is primarily about. So please, go play the damn game before you make any more judgments about it.



I'm not going to make going touch the DnD 2nd Edition/BG subject because its obvious that you're opinion is set in stone.

[Draelorn]

ZeroMystic wrote...

I hope no one takes this the wrong way but I fail to see why people are getting so hyped up with this game.

I mean I seriously do not understand what all the fuss is about and people saying this is one of the greatest rpg games ever made when it's exactly like any other 15 plus RPG's I have ever played.

Again this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.

ZeroMystic, here is your answer...for whatever reason, this story affects people.  It didnt do that for you.  Would you agree that story is the most important factor in this sort of game?  If not then that is the disconnect.

[WildstarGoethe]

This game does share many of the same characteristics that other rpgs have...but this game does many things better than previously made rpgs. This becomes apparent if you play it long enough

I see that your character is level 1, OP. How much of this game have you played, exactly? If you've truly only played the game as far as level one, it's hard to take your opinions of the game seriously.

Modifié par WildstarGoethe, 09 novembre 2009 - 04:42 .

[Draelorn]

Gary Gygax created a game to free up the individual to imagine the unimaginable in a 3d or more space. And you'd put us back on the board. You lost the spirit of what RPGs are about. GO make a better Risk...I may even play it with you some day. You are in the wrong dimension. Yours is 2d.

[SunKilMoon]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Because this beats every single other RPG made in the last decade in every way possible.

Come on people you really gotta give me more than the same old this is a great game or this beats every other RPG out there and then not leave any reasons.

There is absolutely nothing contained in this game, that I cannot find in most any other RPG games out there now, in fact there is nothing new with this game at all.

Story
Dialog Choices
Hotbar
Controling a character
Combat

Looks like any other RPG to me

That's kinda what makes an RPG...what the hell do you want to be different?
If you change the formula so much you just plain don't have an rpg anymore

The point is, this game does it well, very well imo
The story is great, the dialogue choices are much much more plentiful and 'weighty' than any other RPGs that you are thinking of(except baldur's gate)--which some pretty serious full of changes to the story depending on what you say

Hotbar is a hotbar, not much you can do with it, but it works and I happen to love hotbar setups

Controlling a character..so...you want that to be different?  

Combat is awesome because it does something that a lot of the other RPGs don't do---it makes it CHALLENGING--like you actually have to think behind your actions(unless you are playing on easy)
But if you are playing on Hard or Nightmare...goddamn

The hype has nothing to do with this being a whole NEW game, that's NEVER been seen before---because that would mean that it'd probably have its own gender.  The hype has to do with it being a STELLAR RPG, there's nothing drastically changed from the static 'rpg' formula, it's just done really well.

And please, if you are comparing it to these 15 'other rpgs'---please name some of them.  I've played a ton of games, rpg and all other genres, from nintendo and up across all systems---very few of them can keep my attention til the end.

So far this game is doing it in strides and I'm loving it, that's the hype.  

[SunKilMoon]

Oh and...comparing this game to Risen....I played Risen as well...what a crappy game compared to this...combat was a ton simpler, story wasn't immersive to me at all...dialogue wasn't as well written(but it was originally a german game) The place felt just..bland overall..it could never compare



The choices you made in it were never as deep



How much have you played DA:O so far? Just the origin story?