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[Collider]

Exactly right janey. Not having the old fan favorites return is giving a middle finger to the fan. I won't even purchase the game if this happens.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

Not having the old fan favorites return is giving a middle finger to the fan. I won't even purchase the game if this happens.

They've already done this with ME2

[jlb524]

Oh yes, characters like Ashley, Kaida, Liara, and Wrex were in ME2...they all had meaningless cameos. I guarantee that all surviving ME2 squad mates will at least get meaningless cameos.

[janeym27]

gmartin40 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Not having the old fan favorites return is giving a middle finger to the fan. I won't even purchase the game if this happens.

They've already done this with ME2

• Liara T'Soni
• Ashley Williams
• Kaidan Alenko
• Urdnot Wrex
• Jeff "Joker" Moreau
• Helena Blake
• Gianna Parasini
• Conrad Verner
• Nassana Dantius

• Navigator Pressly
• David Anderson
• Donnel Udina
• Doctor Chakwas
• Rana Thanoptis
• Shiala
• Fist
• Emily Wong
• Khalisah Al-Jilani
• Harkin

[*]Aah, but Chloe Micheal leaves a gaping void.

[Ray Joel Oh]

janeym27 wrote...
[*]Aah, but Chloe Micheal leaves a gaping void.

[*]She sent an email. :[
 [*]

jlb524 wrote...

Oh yes, characters like Ashley, Kaida,
Liara, and Wrex were in ME2...they all had meaningless cameos. I
guarantee that all surviving ME2 squad mates will at least get
meaningless cameos.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 29 mars 2010 - 04:20 .

[Collider]

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Not having the old fan favorites return is giving a middle finger to the fan. I won't even purchase the game if this happens.

They've already done this with ME2

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy. I was responding to a poster who said that Luke and Han being replaced by some other dudes in the last movie would be bad. Fortunately for you, Bioware has given plenty of indication that Liara will return in a big way, and quite probably as a squad mate. You may disagree with me though.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy. I was responding to a poster who said that Luke and Han being replaced by some other dudes in the last movie would be bad. Fortunately for you, Bioware has given plenty of indication that Liara will return in a big way, and quite probably as a squad mate. You may disagree with me though.

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy but Luke and Han weren't replaced in Empire neither (unlike Ash/Kaidan/Liara/Wrex in ME2)

As far as Liara, they've given no indication she'll return as a squad mate.  I don't have faith that she will at this point.  They might give her a DLC role and then side-line her again for the remainder of the series.

[GuardianAngel470]

kraidy1117 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

I think the 5 most popular squadmates should return to rejoin your squad along with you ME1 buddies and some new ME3 people. While the others might get cameos.

I think if Bioware puts to many squadmates in the game it will drain the experience.

If one LI is a squadmate, all of have to be able to be one. If Tali and Garrus are ones then Miri, Jack, Thane and Jacob should also be able to.

I think that it would be possible to do a romance outside of the squadmate system.  You just have to have enough instances where they are together.  As it stands you spend all of five minutes game time with your LI, that could easily be done outside of the normandy.  It would also add more variance to the LI system.  Right now every LI is essentially the same except for Miranda, they all take place in the Captains Cabin.  If you had a Liara romance in Liara's suite on Illium it would be different and unique.

That is no fair. If Garrus and Tali are squadmates then all the other Li should be able too. Not everyone romanced or even likes Tali and Garrus. Hell I only used Tali only for her loyal mission, I never use her. Garrus however is the man

My point is BiowEAr could do it in such a way that the only difference between Liara, Garrus, and Tali is that you can't use liara in combat and it takes slightly longer to talk with them.  They would have the same depth as a squadmate but in a better position strategically (Liara can do so much good as a shadow broker stand in).  Any real Liara fans would be willing to wait the extra couple minutes to go to the galaxy map and visit Illium, it would just be the setting that would be different. 

Which reminds me, wouldn't a swanky pad on Illium be much cooler and even more romantic place to talk with your LI than the Engine room, main battery, or possibly the observation deck?  They could make the romance seem so much more real by having you cuddle on Liara's couch.  Just think of the possibilities.

[janeym27]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
[*]Aah, but Chloe Micheal leaves a gaping void.

[*]She sent an email. :[

[*]Yes. And I rushed over to the citadel with Garrus in order to have a chat with her (as per her invitation)... only to find that she was nowhere to be found. Garrus and Shepard had some sad as a result. Then Garrus told Shepard he had no friends.

[GuardianAngel470]

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy. I was responding to a poster who said that Luke and Han being replaced by some other dudes in the last movie would be bad. Fortunately for you, Bioware has given plenty of indication that Liara will return in a big way, and quite probably as a squad mate. You may disagree with me though.

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy but Luke and Han weren't replaced in Empire neither (unlike Ash/Kaidan/Liara/Wrex in ME2)

As far as Liara, they've given no indication she'll return as a squad mate.  I don't have faith that she will at this point.  They might give her a DLC role and then side-line her again for the remainder of the series.

No see Garrus and Tali were the Han and Leia. 

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 29 mars 2010 - 04:25 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

"All I ask of you, especially young people...is one thing. Please don't be cynical. I hate cynicism -- it's my least favorite quality and it doesn't lead anywhere. Nobody in life gets exactly what they thought they were going to get. But if you work really hard and you're kind, amazing things will happen. I'm telling you, amazing things will happen."

[GuardianAngel470]

Oh, and Kraidy, I agree that Tali's combat effectiveness in ME2 is a joke at best.

[kraidy1117]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy. I was responding to a poster who said that Luke and Han being replaced by some other dudes in the last movie would be bad. Fortunately for you, Bioware has given plenty of indication that Liara will return in a big way, and quite probably as a squad mate. You may disagree with me though.

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy but Luke and Han weren't replaced in Empire neither (unlike Ash/Kaidan/Liara/Wrex in ME2)

As far as Liara, they've given no indication she'll return as a squad mate.  I don't have faith that she will at this point.  They might give her a DLC role and then side-line her again for the remainder of the series.

No see Garrus and Tali were the Han and Leia. 

No, Tali is not Leia. Don't disgace a well done character like that.

[Ray Joel Oh]

janeym27 wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
Aah, but Chloe Micheal leaves a gaping void.

She sent an email. :[

Yes. And I rushed over to the citadel with Garrus in order to have a chat with her (as per her invitation)... only to find that she was nowhere to be found. Garrus and Shepard had some sad as a result. Then Garrus told Shepard he had no friends.

I know, I totally did that too. I guess Micheal is too cool for us now.

[janeym27]

kraidy1117 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy. I was responding to a poster who said that Luke and Han being replaced by some other dudes in the last movie would be bad. Fortunately for you, Bioware has given plenty of indication that Liara will return in a big way, and quite probably as a squad mate. You may disagree with me though.

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy but Luke and Han weren't replaced in Empire neither (unlike Ash/Kaidan/Liara/Wrex in ME2)

As far as Liara, they've given no indication she'll return as a squad mate.  I don't have faith that she will at this point.  They might give her a DLC role and then side-line her again for the remainder of the series.

No see Garrus and Tali were the Han and Leia. 

No, Tali is not Leia. Don't disgace a well done character like that.

I can see it...

Garrus is TOTALLY Han, though!

[Ray Joel Oh]

And he definitely shoots first.



Wait...

[GuardianAngel470]

kraidy1117 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy. I was responding to a poster who said that Luke and Han being replaced by some other dudes in the last movie would be bad. Fortunately for you, Bioware has given plenty of indication that Liara will return in a big way, and quite probably as a squad mate. You may disagree with me though.

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy but Luke and Han weren't replaced in Empire neither (unlike Ash/Kaidan/Liara/Wrex in ME2)

As far as Liara, they've given no indication she'll return as a squad mate.  I don't have faith that she will at this point.  They might give her a DLC role and then side-line her again for the remainder of the series.

No see Garrus and Tali were the Han and Leia. 

No, Tali is not Leia. Don't disgace a well done character like that.

Wait, so you dislike tali?  CURSE YOU!!!( at least that's what you would expect me to say)  No but seriously,  you know what I'm getting at right?  I was saying that if you were looking for two main characters that carried over into the 2nd act then there you go.

I mean, do they even see jaba in the second one? Just kidding, but you see what I'm getting at.

[Collider]

kraidy1117 wrote...
No, Tali is not Leia. Don't disgace a well done character like that.

<_<

[Collider]

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy. I was responding to a poster who said that Luke and Han being replaced by some other dudes in the last movie would be bad. Fortunately for you, Bioware has given plenty of indication that Liara will return in a big way, and quite probably as a squad mate. You may disagree with me though.

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy but Luke and Han weren't replaced in Empire neither (unlike Ash/Kaidan/Liara/Wrex in ME2)

Basically what I'm saying is that it is important that this is the end of the trilogy. End of Shepard's story, last chance to tie up loose ends. I think you'll be satisfied with Liara's roles in ME3, but I can really only hope for it it seems.

As far as Liara, they've given no indication she'll return as a squad mate.  I don't have faith that she will at this point.  They might give her a DLC role and then side-line her again for the remainder of the series.

The fact that they said she survives through ME2 to have a large role in ME3?

[kraidy1117]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy. I was responding to a poster who said that Luke and Han being replaced by some other dudes in the last movie would be bad. Fortunately for you, Bioware has given plenty of indication that Liara will return in a big way, and quite probably as a squad mate. You may disagree with me though.

ME2 wasn't the end of the trilogy but Luke and Han weren't replaced in Empire neither (unlike Ash/Kaidan/Liara/Wrex in ME2)

As far as Liara, they've given no indication she'll return as a squad mate.  I don't have faith that she will at this point.  They might give her a DLC role and then side-line her again for the remainder of the series.

No see Garrus and Tali were the Han and Leia. 

No, Tali is not Leia. Don't disgace a well done character like that.

Wait, so you dislike tali?  CURSE YOU!!!( at least that's what you would expect me to say)  No but seriously,  you know what I'm getting at right?  I was saying that if you were looking for two main characters that carried over into the 2nd act then there you go.

I mean, do they even see jaba in the second one? Just kidding, but you see what I'm getting at.

LOL nah if anything lIara is more like Liea in my mind, and if anything I would say Shepard is Han solo and Kirk in ME. Double package FTW

[GuardianAngel470]

Collider wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
No, Tali is not Leia. Don't disgace a well done character like that.

<_<

I know, right?  I was having a hard time telling whether he was insulting Tali or Leia.  They are totally similar though.  Tali is strong willed, Leia is strong willed.  Tali is something like royalty (You get to ask her if she is in ME1) and Leia is royalty (for a planet that doesn't exist).  Both are useful in a fight (ME1 tali here).  The list goes on and on (not really, I ran out of comparisons).

[IoCaster]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...



Yeah, because space marines **HOOOOORAH!!!111!!1!** have really interesting character depth as showed with Ashley and Kaidan in ME1.

And if you found all of that silly, you're playing the wrong game.

(IMO) The vast majority of people that play ME & ME2 aren't on this board obsessing over their digital romance objects or fictional cyber-bros. They are not on here creating love and adoration threads or participating in them. That's the broader market that EA/BioWare are concerned with. It was a calculated risk for them to take a reasonably serious sci-fi plot and turn it into a teen oriented, space fantasy emofest. (IMO)

(IMO) I can only imagine that they were looking to expand their audience, but I'm not convinced that they succeeded. As of the end of February they hadn't yet sold a million copies of the game on the Xbox 360 in the US. Hopefully they've reached that milestone by now, but I'm pretty damn sure that they (EA/BioWare) were expecting better sales than that. With the big marketing push and millions spent on advertising they're not in the same league as something like Gears of War, Halo or CoD. Maybe they'll get the message that wacky, comic book hero wannabes are not all that compelling or interesting to the majority of gamers. (IMO)

(IMO) I'm firmly convinced that everything about ME3 was deliberately designed to attract a wider audience. The contrived plot that necessitated the destruction of the Normandy. The death of Shepard and his/her resurrection. The grotesque group of absurd and over-the-top characters. The sublimely ridiculous and stupid outfits for Miranda, Samara and Jack. The 'pure' Krogan, hilariously named Grunt, for the Wrex groupies. An alien assassin with remarkable and cinematic martial arts skills which contributed absolutely nothing to the actual mission. The morally ambiguous megalomaniac with cybernetic eyes that they constantly framed, just in case you didn't notice the first ten times they focused on them. And so on...(IMO) 

(IMO) I really wish that they hadn't compromised the coherency and continuity of the original story because of it. The game itself seems to have this split personality of absurdity and seriousness trying to coexist within the same framework. One minute you're watching Jack take apart three Ymir mechs with biotics and bare knuckles. The next moment she's telling you about being abused and tortured in a Cerberus facility. It's an uneasy marriage of super hero stunt and sober drama. It was extremely jarring and off putting for me. (IMO) 

(IMO) Basically, the story and cast didn't make any kind of sense to me. Fortunately, the production quality and everything else was top notch. It's great fun as a standalone video game, but I don't like it as a sequel for Mass Effect. I'm hoping like hell that they take a more serious approach with the story for ME3. And yes, that means that I want them to sideline this bunch of misfits from ME2 and give me a new squad to work with. (IMO)