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[] Bioware, is the firewalker pack a joke?


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BiancoAngelo7

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I love this game, and admire and appreciate the work the devs put into it. However, I just have a very simple observation to make about something that seems to me is a glaring letdown like a bride with a black eye on her wedding day...

The Firewalker DLC sucks.

Yes the HH is cool, I loved the mako and I think the HH is different and cool at the same time.

The DLC is just way too short, boring and linear.

In ME1 we had dozens of planets each with different scenarios and objectives to meet. Sometimes even with fully fleshed side quests even though the majority were executed with "cookie cutter" designs.

Here we were given a measly five...FIVE missions that barely last a few minutes each and include nothing more than spamming missiles and hopping about in the HH which was cool for about 5 mins or so...pretty much the duration of the first mission by the way...

I already can predict those of us who are going to answer with the "more is on the way" excuse, to that I answer that first of all, this is probably going to be the only free HH dlc we get, it should have been included in the main game as the vehicle element was a major part of the first ME and to make it such a watered down pathetic excuse of a DLC is simply stupid and misleading, this is supposed ot be a sequel, not a completely different game.

To make further installments that would give it any actually decent gameplay value like extra missions or the ABILITY TO ACTUALLY ENTER OUR OWN FRIGIN GARAGE available only by purchasing them makes it dishonest.

It is truly egregious that Bioware has decided to sacrifice developer integrity and game quality in the name of increased profits.

This DLC is obvious evidence of the new formula employed by BIO for ME2:

"Develop things that should have been included in the original game for free, and then release them for a price months after the original release date as "DLC". "

When you turn a major part of the ME universe into a 30 min total experience and charge to make us experience what would (maybe) make it passable in the future as an improvement to what it was in ME1, that is dishonest.

When you don't even have the common sense to allow us to go into our own garage and actually fully explore our ship, that is simply sloppy development and an ENORMOUS immersion breaker...just chalk it up to the already long list of sloppy design choices that ruin game immersion. "can you say Mission Complete Screens?"

When you announce that you are going to charge us to be able to unlock a character that opens up the last locked room in our ship you invite scorn and contempt from those who previously considered themselves die hard fans.

This is a truly sad let down. I applaud some of the changes made for ME2 and by no means mean to imply that ME2 should be designed according to what my personal tastes are.

I am, however, completely within my rights to point out sloppy and irresponsible development choices when approaching game elements that many people expected to be improved and expanded upon.

And please dont use that silly "quality over quantity" BS excuse. The quality of the environments and missions for the Firewalker pack is BARELY better than any of the sidequests involving the mako. If you take into consideration the scope and breadth of the ME1 vehicle side quests then the abysmal quality of the firewalker DLC becomes painfully apparent.

Super jumps and missile spamming all over the place in short corridor maps does not equal quality over quantity. Period.

I can totally understand if someone disagrees with me disliking the content of the HH missions, but regardless, any objective gamer when comparing the amount and quality of vehicle missions in ME1 to the pathetic amount and mediocre quality of the ME2 vehicle missions should be able to come to the same conclusion:

This DLC sucked.

*Raises Flame Shield +3"

[Edit: Don M - Edited title. Please do not try to by-pass our swear filters]

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 30 mars 2010 - 09:48 .


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MassFrost

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It was free, quit crying.

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MassFrost wrote...

It was free, quit crying.


This.

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To bad you missed your stupid shield.



Bazinga.

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WrexEffex

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You would have all the reason in the world to complain about this if you had paid for it.



However it was free, so stfu.



No one cares about your complaints about free dlc. It could've been the worst dlc in the world, but if it's free you have nothing to complain against because you, as a product consumer, didn't pay for it.







Holy dick, will these threads ever stop.






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Stop spamming forums with these types of threads. Go to existing ones on this subject



http://social.biowar...3/index/1866697



One I made and has been one of the most talked about HH threads

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finnithe

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Personally, I don't think "it's free" is a valid rejection for any complaints against any free DLC, just because Bioware should still get feedback about anything it releases. However, I don't think this complaint was worded well some of the vocabulary being way to extreme (I fail to see how Bioware has sacrificed their integrity).



Having said that, the Hammerhead could use some improvements. Would it be possible to combine the system in ME1 and in ME2? Maybe specific parts of planets could have sidequests like the Hammerhead ones, because I found the concept of trying to find Dr. Cayce and his Prothean artifact pretty interesting. The only problem was that the DLC was too short to realize it.



Is it possible to have "interesting" open world environments, in place of the bland planets in Mass Effect 1?



I liked the exploration concept presented in Mass Effect 1, there just wasn't anything interesting to explore. I like the interesting geometry of the side-quests in Mass Effect 2, but there's very little exploration to it. Sure you're "exploring" the galaxy, and with mission's such as Jacob's it sure seems like it, but there's no depth to the N7 ones, and unlike the Geth missions in ME1, they have no link to the main story (would have been nice to try and save some more colonies).

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petipas1414

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Yes. It's free... stop whining!



...is a straight-up stupid argument.



I'm going to bump this simply to spite the tards above me.

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adriano_c

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"It's free, don't complain."



Possibly the sorriest reasoning I've come across as to why Bioware's work is suddenly above criticism.

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adriano_c wrote...

"It's free, don't complain."

Possibly the sorriest reasoning I've come across as to why Bioware's work is suddenly above criticism.


Yea. I understand these people in a way, but it just gets to me how people just suck it up and take whatever is given to them and told to shut up because it's free. Not a valid excuse really, but neither are people who spam forums saying OMG THIS **** SUCKS OMG OMG OMG, instead of making constructive criticism

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MassFrost wrote...

It was free, quit crying.


He is giving his opinion, quit raging.

Free =/= anti-suckage shield

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WrexEffex

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I think the "It's free" reasoning is mostly valid. Imagine someone gives you a brand new car, for free. However, the car isn't the color you want, it isn't the type of transmission you want, and it isn't the car brand you want; are you really going to complain about it?





Yes, BioWare needs the constructive criticism, but when people just say it sucks because it's too short, boring and linear, how is that constructive?




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Can't there be a compromise between people whining at free content and people whining at people whining at free content? Maybe... less spiteful posts on both sides, and providing BW with constructive criticism of exactly what worked and what didn't work for you?



Just saying.

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Actually, it isn't free. If one fine man one day decides to buy a used copy of Mass Effect 2, he has to pay money for an access to the cerberus network, where your "free" DLC are.

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WrexEffex

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For over 2 million people, it's free.

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petipas1414

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WrexEffex wrote...

For over 2 million people, it's free.


But it's still bad.

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adriano_c wrote...

"It's free, don't complain."

Possibly the sorriest reasoning I've come across as to why Bioware's work is suddenly above criticism.


Please. This is not a "BioWare is above criticism" reason. This is a "you didn't pay for it, what do you expect?" reason.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

"It's free, don't complain."

Possibly the sorriest reasoning I've come across as to why Bioware's work is suddenly above criticism.


Please. This is not a "BioWare is above criticism" reason. This is a "you didn't pay for it, what do you expect?" reason.


Seems like you're on the fence bud.

Remember, diplomacy is good, when it works :)

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Bryy_Miller

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petipas1414 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

"It's free, don't complain."

Possibly the sorriest reasoning I've come across as to why Bioware's work is suddenly above criticism.


Please. This is not a "BioWare is above criticism" reason. This is a "you didn't pay for it, what do you expect?" reason.


Seems like you're on the fence bud.

Remember, diplomacy is good, when it works :)


On the fence about what? I downloaded Firewalker. I had my problems with it, but I ultimately liked it. 

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petipas1414

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

petipas1414 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

"It's free, don't complain."

Possibly the sorriest reasoning I've come across as to why Bioware's work is suddenly above criticism.


Please. This is not a "BioWare is above criticism" reason. This is a "you didn't pay for it, what do you expect?" reason.


Seems like you're on the fence bud.

Remember, diplomacy is good, when it works :)


On the fence about what? I downloaded Firewalker. I had my problems with it, but I ultimately liked it. 


Ahhh. I apologize. You're reply seemed a little black/white, that's all

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Not only is Firewalker completely free, it's likely just testing the waters, seeing how well it goes.

If Firewalker and the Hammerhead do well, we'll likely see a lot more of it, and possibly improvements on the Hammerhead itself.

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Lord Coake wrote...

Not only is Firewalker completely free, it's likely just testing the waters, seeing how well it goes.

If Firewalker and the Hammerhead do well, we'll likely see a lot more of it, and possibly improvements on the Hammerhead itself.


Which people will likely have to pay for. I have no problem paying for DLC, but I'd like it to be RELEVANT. Relevance is something that hasn't even been vaguely touched up on in this cerberus ****work scheme. Just some lame armor (no helmet toggle is boggle), a random shotgun. a baffling alternate appearance pack, and some random heavy weap that much like all the others, is still useless compared to the cain.

In short --- NOTHING that has anything to do with the Mass Effect story.

Edit: Forgot Zaeed, but he's pretty forgetable as well.

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MassFrost wrote...

It was free, quit crying.



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I think it was an excellent addition simply because the maps are short and makes your squadmates loyalty quests activate alot faster.



Although adding some new gear like a new gun or a piece of N7armor could'nt hurt.