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[TalkShowHost01]

Underwear is fine. I assume they keep it in as a lot of minors will be playing the game.

The game has an 18 rating but that doesn't mean under 18s won't be playing it.



There are PLENTY of nude mods which are easy to install.

[Mlai00]

There are PLENTY of nude mods which are easy to install.

Yes, just make sure you install the correct one for the gentlemen, so that hilarity doesn't ensue.

[caradoc2000]

Those are asbestos knickers - courtesy of Orzammar ironworks.

[Mlai00]

* Checks characters' fire resistance value.



Wow, I guess I gotta fight that dragon nekkid!

[LH000]

In DA:O mythology cleansing fire works that way. Andraste wouldn't allow something such incorrect and unholy as nudity in her temple...



And consider a fact that children may be plying the game. It would surely cause them life-long trauma to see human body NAKED!!!



You damn maleficar!

[LH000]

And also consider a fact that devs are maybe thinking this way: Give players nudity in one game and you''ll have to add new features to character generator in sequel... And they are too lazy to do that.

[searanox]

Elps wrote...

So, request to devs - when nudity is appropriate in any future DLC's, expansions or sequels, (perhaps even including romance love-making scenes) could this be handled in a similar way to persistent gore? Make underwear the default setting but provide an option for people to select nude bodies should they so wish.

It would more than likely push the game's rating up to AO.  Not going to happen.  The sex scenes aren't such a big part of the game that they are ruined by underwear, anyway.  It's the emotional/story aspect of it that's important, not the eye candy.

[Fluffykeith]

Thing is Bioware tried showing partial nudity in a single scene for about 2 seconds in Mass Effect. They got hit by a storm of &@£!? for that one, as the moralising muppets in the

media generated a spate of phoney outrage, calling it a "sex simulator".....even though it was nothing of the kind.

Since EA are calling a lot of the shots now, I doubt they'll be willing to risk it again.

[Feraele]

Elps wrote...

The devs asked for feedback on the standout moments in DAO here: http://social.biowar.../index/1644433 

In case any devs read this, I wanted to mention what I consider the single biggest immersion-breaking moment. It gets to me in every playthrough and irritates me more on each subsequent game. To avoid spoilers, I'll just say that the concept of a cleansing fire exists in mythology but underwear does not. 

I appreciate that Bioware has to be careful about nudity but in the scene I mention such nudity would be entirely appropriate. Instead, in the context of that scene, the underwear is out-of-place and breaks immersion for me. On my first playthrough it provided a WTF moment and time out while I considered why the underwear didn't catch fire.

Undies in love scenes don't bother me (nudity wouldn't either) but in the context of a cleansing fire they are real immersion-killers.

So, request to devs - when nudity is appropriate in any future DLC's, expansions or sequels, (perhaps even including romance love-making scenes) could this be handled in a similar way to persistent gore? Make underwear the default setting but provide an option for people to select nude bodies should they so wish. 

Well it caused me to pause for a moment too..but then again I was thinking..well maybe their undies are flame-retardent?  (kidding)   hehe

[Donkeycow]

Nudity in a game won't give it an AO rating, only direct visual intercourse would do such a thing. You get full on male nudity in one of the GTA 4 expansions, it is still rated "M", in the Godfather II game you come across more then ones fair share of topless ladies, and in the saboteur there is an entire strip club that includes... well stripping hahaha. Now personally the underwear didnt bother me much, but i can see why to some it is an immersion killer. Personally i think Bioware should have had a nudity check box in the options, and only allow those whose accounts that state they are over the age of 18 be allowed to activate it.

[Blue_dodo]

Fluffykeith wrote...

Thing is Bioware tried showing partial nudity in a single scene for about 2 seconds in Mass Effect. They got hit by a storm of &@£!? for that one, as the moralising muppets in the
media generated a spate of phoney outrage, calling it a "sex simulator".....even though it was nothing of the kind.
Since EA are calling a lot of the shots now, I doubt they'll be willing to risk it again.

ah it always boils down to ea...

look I think it was just a desigin choice they didn't really want another **** storm so they seattled on something diffrent, will admittingly hileriously awful, it was better then nothing thy could have NOT added any chance of romance into the game...but they did.

besides there are many nude modes out there for the pc, just remember to install the right one eh ?

[k9medusa]

I feel for the OP, I feel the same way -- for legal reasons can do that in stone, but that is up to player made content to do. What do you suggest for a basic nude? ie keep all the model close to the real game as it can be done, but just remove the underwear?

[Buppazudan]

Nudity is your big immersion breaker? I think you are playing this game for the wrong reasons.

[Bullets McDeath]

Not to jump down your throat OP, but this is one of the reasons they never listen to "immersion" complaints. Every single person draws that line somewhere else. My immersion was broken pretty early in my first playthrough, when stomping on a few rats resulted in my entire body being covered in blood. Someone else might have theirs broken when they decapitate someone with a hammer. Yours is a fine example too but these things are all so minor.

[k9medusa]

Indeed, the in game logic why I like nudity is that magic flows best when armor is not the way and if one takes that logic to the next level, one could say that even cloths is a type of "armor" therefore, for best results -- that needs to be remove. Also, the fire from the OP is another good reason Back on topic at hand, that is why BW made the toolset so that the players can adjust those lines to more of their liking. Compare to other game that I play, the hechman seems the must alive and I do really feel for them and makes it so hard to play an evil char anymore.

[Zottle]

Mlai00 wrote...

Yes, just make sure you install the correct one for the gentlemen, so that hilarity doesn't ensue.

Hilarity ensued for me.  Will never look at King Cailan again...

[Frolk]

The underwear was a bit weird for me too. I think a fine compromise would be to simply change the camera angles so that the nudity is implied but not shown. That way, parents won't have to worry that their poor innocent children (who are playing a game with mature themes and gratuitous violence) don't grow up to be perverts with a dwarf fetish, and we rational adults won't interrupt serious scenes with a snarky laugh.

[amd2112]

the so called "sex scenes" dont even have sex in the scene. the puritan logic and reasoning in this country is baffling. the blood, violence, and gore factor are never an issue when sex comes into the equation. i mean being naked or havin sex is obviously far worse than dismemberment or decapitations. why should adult players suffer because you cant teach your stupid kid about the do's and dont's about sex and violence. and the fact that the game has an adult rating DOES mean that kids probably shouldnt be playing the game to begin with. im not a fan of the ratings system but it is there for a reason. if you dont want to see sex, nudity or violence in a game, go play the ****ty Wii and leave the rest to the people who fit their big boy pants.

[Legbiter]

My PC was at half-mast for that one. Courtesy of a mod mind you.

[tmp7704]

Donkeycow wrote...

Nudity in a game won't give it an AO rating, only direct visual intercourse would do such a thing.

No, nudity itself can be enough to get the AO rating -- if you check the ESRB guidelines, the AO titles "depict sex and nudity and/or extreme depictions of violence that include blood and gore."  In comparison, for the M rating titles nudity isn't mentioned at all, the game just needs to contain "sexual themes/content" to be branded with it.

[Garres]

Immersion is overrated, at least when the kind of immersion in question is realism. Face facts: games have limitations. Some of those limitations are technical (e.g., limits on raw computing power), while others are practical (e.g., limits on BioWare's legal and financial maneuverability). Either way, video games will never provide a seamless simulation of reality. Get over it. A game doesn't need to visualize everything for you; that's what your imagination is for. Personally, I'm thankful that I got into video games back in the days when graphics sucked -- or were non-existent, thank you text adventures! -- and one had to imagine the visual components of the story. If even a fraction of the budgets that go into graphics these days went instead to story-writing, we'd have a lot more compelling games out there. On that front, I'd say BioWare did a fantastic job with DA:O. 
A stronger case might be made that it's deplorably un-immersive to break the fourth wall with dumb in-jokes and Monty Python references... but that's not the subject of this thread.