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[Frolk]

Garres wrote...

Immersion is overrated, at least when the kind of immersion in question is realism. Face facts: games have limitations. Some of those limitations are technical (e.g., limits on raw computing power), while others are practical (e.g., limits on BioWare's legal and financial maneuverability). Either way, video games will never provide a seamless simulation of reality. Get over it. A game doesn't need to visualize everything for you; that's what your imagination is for. Personally, I'm thankful that I got into video games back in the days when graphics sucked -- or were non-existent, thank you text adventures! -- and one had to imagine the visual components of the story. If even a fraction of the budgets that go into graphics these days went instead to story-writing, we'd have a lot more compelling games out there. On that front, I'd say BioWare did a fantastic job with DA:O. 
A stronger case might be made that it's deplorably un-immersive to break the fourth wall with dumb in-jokes and Monty Python references... but that's not the subject of this thread.

The people in this thread aren't complaining about technical limitations or game mechanics, though.  The problem was that the game had scenes where nudity was implied but it was censored in a very conspicuous manner.  They could have cut the scenes out and summarized them with text or dialogue, they could have played with the camera angle so as not to show any boobs or genitals, or they could have shown us everything; none of those options would have broken the game's immersion, and all would have been technically feasible.

It's not that we necessarily want realism or to be shown everything; we just don't want the game to imply one thing but show us something else.

[I Valente I]

Huh I was surprised when I opened this thread. I figured it would be something about the in-game adveritising or something, not underwear I can see where you are coming from. I've learned to look past it. They could have done it the Mass Effect way and used clever camera angles but oh well, hopefully they'll fix it for the future.

[ruleonecardio]

Nudity would just make these in-game "sex" scenes even more awkward and stupid looking. Should've gone the Mass Effect route and done a few brief glimpses to get the point across :\\

As for the cleansing fire... really, it bugs you that much? And besides, the point was to cast off your earthly possessions and vanities (at least I'm pretty sure, I'm no Andrastian scholar). Undies are there for decency's sake.

[TheMadCat]

Garres wrote...

Either way, video games will never provide a seamless simulation of reality. Get over it. A game doesn't need to visualize everything for you; that's what your imagination is for.

Eh, games striving to feel "real" and "serious" do need to at the very least offer the illusion of reality. Even the old text based games offered such illusion, it's just that it depicted general themes and situations and let you create them in your own mind. It's different these days; everything is created, visualized, and played out for you leaving less for the imagination to create on it's own. In reality the underwear during the sex scene is no more or no less an immersion breaker than the dwarf shouting "Epic Fail," both are instances that aren't fitting of their situations and since they are visualized/vocalized for you what you see/hear is what you get. So sure it can be seen as an imersion breaker and if sex wasn't still a button pusher in this day and age you'd be saying such a scene does break the immersion just as much as all the inside jokes, pop culture refrences, ect. break immerion in your eyes now.

[TheHawk]

LH000 wrote...

In DA:O mythology cleansing fire works that way. Andraste wouldn't allow something such incorrect and unholy as nudity in her temple...

And consider a fact that children may be plying the game. It would surely cause them life-long trauma to see human body NAKED!!!

You damn maleficar!

Andraste is a lie and there is no maker!

[LH000]

TheHawk wrote...

LH000 wrote...

In DA:O mythology cleansing fire works that way. Andraste wouldn't allow something such incorrect and unholy as nudity in her temple...

And consider a fact that children may be plying the game. It would surely cause them life-long trauma to see human body NAKED!!!

You damn maleficar!

Andraste is a lie and there is no maker!

It seems that there is another exalted march needed. Again.

To all dedicated to the Chantry: Please aid our holy endeavor by donating reasonable amount of money and earn your place near Maker himself. <3

[Thanatos45]

Meh, I found a certain girl you encounter during the endgame that was made so damn strong she could probably solo the archdemon and 20 ogres all by herself just because the plot dictates she has to beat you much more immersion breaking than the fire and underwear event. It's really stupid to be defeated by her so easily after you've just beaten legions of darkspawn, dragons and other nightmarish monstrosities.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Ummm if you want that kind of stuff either download some porn and watch it or download a nude mod. Personally nudity would draw away from the experence  for me. Sex is a interesting aspect in bioware games but it draws away from the experence if you just want to see nude sex between charaters whats the point in playing go download porn!   No offence even though it most likely will offend you you might wana get out more who created this fourm. Maybe they could of done it mass effect style but like i said download some porn. Just enjoy what you get, download some porn and come back and enjoy origins.

     But the biggest immersion breaking moment to me would most likely be the ending of origins and awakening always leaving me hanging man! Afterwards i get all bummed out and dont wana play and want the next game so i can import the charaters i already have.

Sorry for implying so much about the porn just trying to get my point across.

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 30 mars 2010 - 01:03 .

[LH000]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Ummm if you want that kind of stuff either download some porn and watch it or download a nude mod. Personally nudity would draw away from the experence  for me. Sex is a interesting aspect in bioware games but it draws away from the experence if you just want to see nude sex between charaters whats the point in playing go download porn!   No offence even though it most likely will offend you you might wana get out more who created this fourm. Maybe they could of done it mass effect style but like i said download some porn. Just enjoy what you get, download some porn and come back and enjoy origins.

 

You absolutely didn't get the point.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

LH000 wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Ummm if you want that kind of stuff either download some porn and watch it or download a nude mod. Personally nudity would draw away from the experence  for me. Sex is a interesting aspect in bioware games but it draws away from the experence if you just want to see nude sex between charaters whats the point in playing go download porn!   No offence even though it most likely will offend you you might wana get out more who created this fourm. Maybe they could of done it mass effect style but like i said download some porn. Just enjoy what you get, download some porn and come back and enjoy origins.

 

You absolutely didn't get the point.

 
How not?... everyone who agrees with this thread seems to just want to see naked sex prove me wrong.

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 30 mars 2010 - 01:00 .

[LH000]

To OrlesianWardenCommander (quote function doesn't work):



OP himself was not referring to sex scenes.He even stated explicitly that he doesn't mind sex scenes in underwear.



I do. I do not need sex in games. And in fact I quite dislike romances in games. But sex in underwear is just stupid.To me, it is an immersion breaker. Not a great deal, but still, I dislike it.

It has nothing to do with desire for porn.



You are saying that to you, naked sex would be immersion breaker. It's your opinion, I don't have problem with that. But to me, and most people here it is opposite I think. And you referring to them as "hungry-for-porn folks" is outrageous.



And also, I find this attitude in (certain) society towards nudity both quite funny and sad. It's OK to kill in games, to decode about life or death for hundreds of people but it is wrong to show penis in a game???



I think that if any of the things above is meaningful in game, it should be there unrestricted.

[Faz432]

Biggest immersion breaker = Area transitions (blood dripping on a map, rather than being able to walk there)

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

LH000 wrote...

To OrlesianWardenCommander (quote function doesn't work):

OP himself was not referring to sex scenes.He even stated explicitly that he doesn't mind sex scenes in underwear.

I do. I do not need sex in games. And in fact I quite dislike romances in games. But sex in underwear is just stupid.To me, it is an immersion breaker. Not a great deal, but still, I dislike it.
It has nothing to do with desire for porn.

You are saying that to you, naked sex would be immersion breaker. It's your opinion, I don't have problem with that. But to me, and most people here it is opposite I think. And you referring to them as "hungry-for-porn folks" is outrageous.

And also, I find this attitude in (certain) society towards nudity both quite funny and sad. It's OK to kill in games, to decode about life or death for hundreds of people but it is wrong to show penis in a game???

I think that if any of the things above is meaningful in game, it should be there unrestricted.

Ok i do see your point i apologize for coming on so strong with this yes it is breaking the mood maybe ill rephrase this a bit i just think people complain to much about this i apologize to all if i've offended anyone but if anything maybe next dragon age have it how mass effect has it you see enough to get the point across and i dont think 
nudity is bad never said that just seems for me atleast to draw away from the whole experence.

      I think it actually would break some ice gaming wise to have that kind of jazz after playing god of war 3 nudity doesnt really do anything bad maybe its time to break the ice here maybe next time you guys will get to see more you wana play in a sex scene though rent god of war 3 till dao 2 comes out lol. you dont see penis but you get to see to girls doing it naked. But yes i apologize for my other comments.

[Burglekut]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...
 rent god of war 3 till dao 2 comes out lol. you dont see penis but you get to see to girls doing it naked. But yes i apologize for my other comments.

/facepalm

[OfficerAbstinence]

Apparently I have some work to do in this thread.

[Damar Stiehl]

Close your eyes, turn around three times and mumble "The underwear, it's not there, it's not there, it's not there". And just like that, magically, your immersion won't be broken anymore, yay!

I'm going to chime in with the others here: you want peen and bewbs, grab some porn and some tissues. It will help, I promise.

[OfficerAbstinence]

LH000 wrote...

And also, I find this attitude in (certain) society towards nudity both quite funny and sad. It's OK to kill in games, to decode about life or death for hundreds of people but it is wrong to show penis in a game???

Society as a whole is completely backwards. People have too many freedoms with their 'Voice' which leads to too many opinions. In time that leads to a completely skewed view of what is right and what is wrong.

The reality is, people in general are too outdated with their opinions. The ones with the stronger voices do not have a broad view of the world beyond their dusty little windows, and if anyone tries to clean those windows they get sued.

As you said, it's okay to kill hundreds of people an hour in videogames which are based on real situations (WW2) in realistic graphics and physics, but show ONE BOOB and it explodes onto the news pages as a giant ****ing conspiracy to alienate children. Same thing with that situation where a school cancelled an entire prom because one girl voiced a desire to show up at the prom with her lesbian girlfriend. It just doesn't make sense.

What's next? Doctors getting arrested for holding onto a naked baby for too long after its born? They touch their butts you know.

So yes, to stay on topic I agree with the OP. If you want immersion go all the way with it. I'm not saying to show nudity and sex all over the place- just saying it's retarded that everyone has to step so carefully around the extreme taboo of showing a set of ****** in a videogame when the situation calls for it (like the purging flames).

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Close your eyes, turn around three
times and mumble "The underwear, it's not there, it's not there, it's
not there". And just like that, magically, your immersion won't be
broken anymore, yay!
I'm going to chime in with the others here: you
want peen and bewbs, grab some porn and some tissues. It will help, I
promise.

Also, you, among others, need to learn to read. The OP wasn't referring to the sex scenes at all. Stop assuming and read what he typed.

Modifié par OfficerAbstinence, 30 mars 2010 - 03:02 .

[LH000]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

LH000 wrote...

To OrlesianWardenCommander (quote function doesn't work):

OP himself was not referring to sex scenes.He even stated explicitly that he doesn't mind sex scenes in underwear.

I do. I do not need sex in games. And in fact I quite dislike romances in games. But sex in underwear is just stupid.To me, it is an immersion breaker. Not a great deal, but still, I dislike it.
It has nothing to do with desire for porn.

You are saying that to you, naked sex would be immersion breaker. It's your opinion, I don't have problem with that. But to me, and most people here it is opposite I think. And you referring to them as "hungry-for-porn folks" is outrageous.

And also, I find this attitude in (certain) society towards nudity both quite funny and sad. It's OK to kill in games, to decode about life or death for hundreds of people but it is wrong to show penis in a game???

I think that if any of the things above is meaningful in game, it should be there unrestricted.

Ok i do see your point i apologize for coming on so strong with this yes it is breaking the mood maybe ill rephrase this a bit i just think people complain to much about this i apologize to all if i've offended anyone but if anything maybe next dragon age have it how mass effect has it you see enough to get the point across and i dont think 
nudity is bad never said that just seems for me atleast to draw away from the whole experence.

      I think it actually would break some ice gaming wise to have that kind of jazz after playing god of war 3 nudity doesnt really do anything bad maybe its time to break the ice here maybe next time you guys will get to see more you wana play in a sex scene though rent god of war 3 till dao 2 comes out lol. you dont see penis but you get to see to girls doing it naked. But yes i apologize for my other comments.

No need to apologize, at least not to me. I just wanted to point out that people defending nudity may have other reasons than just get some share of porn with game. And it seems that we came to an agreement of some sort.

[ruleonecardio]

Faz432 wrote...

Biggest immersion breaker = Area transitions (blood dripping on a map, rather than being able to walk there)

\\

^^ This


(but alas I understand the technical limitations and other factors preventing this)

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

LH000 wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

LH000 wrote...

To OrlesianWardenCommander (quote function doesn't work):

OP himself was not referring to sex scenes.He even stated explicitly that he doesn't mind sex scenes in underwear.

I do. I do not need sex in games. And in fact I quite dislike romances in games. But sex in underwear is just stupid.To me, it is an immersion breaker. Not a great deal, but still, I dislike it.
It has nothing to do with desire for porn.

You are saying that to you, naked sex would be immersion breaker. It's your opinion, I don't have problem with that. But to me, and most people here it is opposite I think. And you referring to them as "hungry-for-porn folks" is outrageous.

And also, I find this attitude in (certain) society towards nudity both quite funny and sad. It's OK to kill in games, to decode about life or death for hundreds of people but it is wrong to show penis in a game???

I think that if any of the things above is meaningful in game, it should be there unrestricted.

Ok i do see your point i apologize for coming on so strong with this yes it is breaking the mood maybe ill rephrase this a bit i just think people complain to much about this i apologize to all if i've offended anyone but if anything maybe next dragon age have it how mass effect has it you see enough to get the point across and i dont think 
nudity is bad never said that just seems for me atleast to draw away from the whole experence.

      I think it actually would break some ice gaming wise to have that kind of jazz after playing god of war 3 nudity doesnt really do anything bad maybe its time to break the ice here maybe next time you guys will get to see more you wana play in a sex scene though rent god of war 3 till dao 2 comes out lol. you dont see penis but you get to see to girls doing it naked. But yes i apologize for my other comments.

No need to apologize, at least not to me. I just wanted to point out that people defending nudity may have other reasons than just get some share of porn with game. And it seems that we came to an agreement of some sort.

Yes i do agree with your views on how people make a big deal over nudity in games like hot coffee that had politians heads exploading i say if its M rated why not? 

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 30 mars 2010 - 03:39 .

[Burglekut]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Yes i dont agree with your views on how people make a big deal over nudity in games like hot coffee that had politians heads exploading i say if its M rated why not? 

Question for you -  What are 'politians' and what does 'exploading' mean?

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I ment I do agree with him my computer puts stuff on here why im typing it puts other words in. Secound you know what i mean.

[Burglekut]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

I ment I do agree with him my computer puts stuff on here why im typing it puts other words in. Secound you know what i mean.

"My computer puts stuff on here why im typing it puts other words in."  My head just exploded.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

You here to correct me? I made a few typos not that big of a deal...
Your just messing with me cause im Orlesian

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 30 mars 2010 - 03:53 .

[Burglekut]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...
Your just messing with me cause im Orlesian

Your != You're