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[Merci357]

The by far worst immersion breaking scene (and the one that a friendly nude mod can't fix at all, sadly) is when you save the werewolfes from their curse. They transform back to humans... and wear full clothes. Yes, right, that's very believable.

Honestly, I don't care about sex scenes, but, if you present some, do it like in Mass Effect 1 - you don't see anything thanks to blurry effects and camera angles, but at least you don't break any immersion due to ridiculous underwear. Thats a fine solution - DA/ME2 have been a huge step back.

What, exactly, is the reason _mature_ rated games are that far behind movies or even tele novellas in that regard? Is it because games are still considered something played by minors - but then again, why the mature rating?

[Kalcalan]

The single biggest immersion-breaking moment in DAO only happens if you haven't bought Warden's Keep. I mean having an NPC at the party camp with a line that goes like "Buy DLC content" is shameless.

At least it works, once I saw that I got my credit card out so I could buy the DLC and get rid of that line asap...

[Damar Stiehl]

OfficerAbstinence wrote...

Also, you, among others, need to learn to read. The OP wasn't referring to the sex scenes at all. Stop assuming and read what he typed.

Are you equating nudity with sex (and putting words in my mouth at that)? How very un-liberal and un-all-permissive of you. Aren't pantywaists like yourself very adamant that naked body in fact does NOT equal sexuality and sex?

Gratuitiously displayed nudity of any kind equals obscenity, regardless of context. To me (and the majority of the population of the US) it does, anyway. Your mileage may vary.

[khathaway71]

Perhaps stating the obvious here but the biggest immersion breaker for me is having to deal with bugs in my game and how to fix or get around them. I can understand how one or two things get by in the testing but several that go unfixed is a bit disheartening to me to say the least.

[OfficerAbstinence]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Are you equating nudity with sex (and putting words in my mouth at that)? How very un-liberal and un-all-permissive of you.

Are you serious? Did you even read what you posted previously? Here, I'll quote:

"I'm going to chime in with the others here: you want peen and bewbs,
grab some porn and some tissues. It will help, I promise."

Clearly I wasn't putting words in your mouth. You were. This is my attempt at cleaning your dirty little window.

Damar Stiehl wrote...
Aren't pantywaists like yourself very adamant that naked body in fact does NOT equal sexuality and sex?

Yep.

Damar Stiehl wrote...
Gratuitiously displayed nudity of any kind equals obscenity, regardless of context. To me (and the majority of the population of the US) it does, anyway. Your mileage may vary.

It's an M rated game for a good reason. If you don't want to see obscenity don't ****ing buy it.  You just proved my point about having outdated opinions, anyway. The rules are changing, and anyone not in the US is adapting fairly smoothly. What's so special about your country that you can afford to be so stubborn?

Modifié par OfficerAbstinence, 30 mars 2010 - 04:22 .

[OfficerAbstinence]

filaminstrel wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...

The single biggest immersion-breaking moment in DAO only happens if you haven't bought Warden's Keep. I mean having an NPC at the party camp with a line that goes like "Buy DLC content" is shameless.

Ah yes, that one definitely takes the cake, IMO. Huuuuuge "WTF?" moment.

Haha, yeah that one had me in a stupor for a moment too. It was pretty underhanded

[Kerendar]

OfficerAbstinence wrote...
It's an M rated game for a good reason. If you don't want to see obscenity don't ****ing buy it.  You just proved my point about having outdated opinions, anyway. The rules are changing, and anyone not in the US is adapting fairly smoothly. What's so special about your country that you can afford to be so stubborn?

Because "morale" plays such a big part in the US when considering sex and nudity. Its due to history, culture and strict religious believes.  On the other side of that large wet spot you get to see more boobs in a shampoo ad during breakfast than a conservative American would need to get a heart attack. On the other hand people get outraged if you see blood when killing someone, especially if its red Taking the discussion about forbidding "killer-games" in Germany

Modifié par Kerendar, 30 mars 2010 - 04:40 .

[OfficerAbstinence]

Kerendar wrote...

Because "morale" plays such a big part in the US when considering sex and nudity. Its due to history, culture and strict religious believes.  On the other side of that large wet spot you get to see more boobs in a shampoo ad during breakfast than an American would need to get a heart attack. On the other hand people get outraged if you see blood when killing someone, especially if its red Taking the discussion about forbidding "killer-games" in Germany

Fair enough. It really depends on the history of the country as to what is considered 'taboo' and what isn't.

I'm still of the opinion (and yes, I know it's an opinion) that the US is taking things too far with stuff like this though. Cross them, and you get singled-out, humiliated, alienated, and then they sue you because it gets them rich quickly. It leads to people being more worried about what they shouldn't do compared to what they should do.

It's a sweeping generalization and there are exceptions, I am aware of that.

[Damar Stiehl]

OfficerAbstinence wrote...

Fair enough. It really depends on the history of the country as to what is considered 'taboo' and what isn't.

I'm still of the opinion (and yes, I know it's an opinion) that the US is taking things too far with stuff like this though. Cross them, and you get singled-out, humiliated, alienated, and then they sue you because it gets them rich quickly. It leads to people being more worried about what they shouldn't do compared to what they should do.

It's a sweeping generalization and there are exceptions, I am aware of that.

Breaking the rules has consequences. Breaking major rules has major consequences. Morality and decency are among the major rules in the US. The rest of the world, frankly, does not matter.

By the way, it is "morality" and not "morale". Look it up.

[OfficerAbstinence]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

OfficerAbstinence wrote...

Fair enough. It really depends on the history of the country as to what is considered 'taboo' and what isn't.

I'm still of the opinion (and yes, I know it's an opinion) that the US is taking things too far with stuff like this though. Cross them, and you get singled-out, humiliated, alienated, and then they sue you because it gets them rich quickly. It leads to people being more worried about what they shouldn't do compared to what they should do.

It's a sweeping generalization and there are exceptions, I am aware of that.

Breaking the rules has consequences. Breaking major rules has major consequences. Morality and decency are among the major rules in the US. The rest of the world, frankly, does not matter.

Of course it does, but when was it declared a rule to not have nudity in a game with an 'M' rating? I think you're confusing 'rule' with 'social acceptance'. The latter is not enforced.

Have you ever played God of War (any of the series, most notably 3)? Why is there practically nothing about the gratuitous sex, nudity and violence in that game? Is it because it's not an 'RPG'? It's far worse than Dragon Age would ever be in all those aspects, yet they share the same rating by the ESRB.

Modifié par OfficerAbstinence, 30 mars 2010 - 06:00 .

[traversc]

Breaking the rules has consequences. Breaking major rules has major consequences. Morality and decency are among the major rules in the US. The rest of the world, frankly, does not matter.

"Morality" and "decency" being a prude. Thankfully, only extreme conservative think that to be the case, and the U.S. is slowly getting up to speed with the rest of the world on social issues.

And "only the U.S. matters" attitude? Lol are you for real?  Talking about faux pas. 

/ashamed to call you a fellow citizen.

Modifié par traversc, 30 mars 2010 - 06:41 .

[Damar Stiehl]

traversc wrote...

Breaking the rules has consequences. Breaking major rules has major consequences. Morality and decency are among the major rules in the US. The rest of the world, frankly, does not matter.

"Morality" and "decency" being a prude. Thankfully, only extreme conservative think that to be the case, and the U.S. is slowly getting up to speed with the rest of the world on social issues.

And "only the U.S. matters" attitude? Lol are you for real?  Talking about faux pas. 

/ashamed to call you a fellow citizen.

Why should I give half a damn about views on morality and decency in any other country other than the US? US is where I (and you, apparently) live, and - newsflash - we have to abide by the laws and standards of the US, not those of Europe or anywhere else in the world.

If you don't like that, you could always move... when you are old enough, of course.

If you think that morality and decency is going to loosen up around here, you've got another thing coming (then again, you are obviously young and naive). As for being a prude, yes, I am a prude and proud of it.

[OfficerAbstinence]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Why should I give half a damn about views on morality and decency in any other country other than the US? US is where I (and you, apparently) live, and - newsflash - we have to abide by the laws and standards of the US, not those of Europe or anywhere else in the world.

If you don't like that, you could always move... when you are old enough, of course.

If you think that morality and decency is going to loosen up around here, you've got another thing coming (then again, you are obviously young and naive). As for being a prude, yes, I am a prude and proud of it.

There you go talking about laws again. Why did this even enter into the discussion? We're talking about epic pixellated boobs and their place in videogames. Law has nothing to do with it.

[k9medusa]

When I saw the M rating on the box, I get very happy because I thought no water down kiddie stuff like NWN 1 & 2 (great games BTW) and now after so many years, it gave more what I was looking for in a game. DAO is a nice 1st step, but it is only the 1st step and hopefully Bioware will take the next step very soon

[Murphys_Law]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Close your eyes, turn around three times and mumble "The underwear, it's not there, it's not there, it's not there". And just like that, magically, your immersion won't be broken anymore, yay!
I'm going to chime in with the others here: you want peen and bewbs, grab some porn and some tissues. It will help, I promise.

Yeah those perverts that want nudity in DA:O need to go get some porn!  Also all those people who like blood and violence in DA:O are homocidal maniacs that need therapy to cope with their violence issues.  I r sound smart and make the good points!  I should be an "expert" on Fox news.

[Murphys_Law]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

traversc wrote...

Breaking the rules has consequences. Breaking major rules has major consequences. Morality and decency are among the major rules in the US. The rest of the world, frankly, does not matter.

"Morality" and "decency" being a prude. Thankfully, only extreme conservative think that to be the case, and the U.S. is slowly getting up to speed with the rest of the world on social issues.

And "only the U.S. matters" attitude? Lol are you for real?  Talking about faux pas. 

/ashamed to call you a fellow citizen.

Why should I give half a damn about views on morality and decency in any other country other than the US? US is where I (and you, apparently) live, and - newsflash - we have to abide by the laws and standards of the US, not those of Europe or anywhere else in the world.

If you don't like that, you could always move... when you are old enough, of course.

If you think that morality and decency is going to loosen up around here, you've got another thing coming (then again, you are obviously young and naive). As for being a prude, yes, I am a prude and proud of it.

You should probably look up globalization and it's affects on what the "standards" are world-wide.  Sorry this isn't the 1920s, countries are not isolated.  Ideas, morals, and "standards" flow freely between nations. Morality and decency (as defined by the church, which is what I assume you are talking about) has been "loosening up" for decades now.  You are obviously too blind to see it.  Wasn't too long ago, you would have been ostrictized for wearing clothing that showed your mid-drift and now that is common place all over the U.S.  Who was the young and naive one again?

[OfficerAbstinence]

Murphys_Law wrote...

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Why should I give half a damn about views on morality and decency in any other country other than the US? US is where I (and you, apparently) live, and - newsflash - we have to abide by the laws and standards of the US, not those of Europe or anywhere else in the world.

If you don't like that, you could always move... when you are old enough, of course.

If you think that morality and decency is going to loosen up around here, you've got another thing coming (then again, you are obviously young and naive). As for being a prude, yes, I am a prude and proud of it.

You should probably look up globalization and it's affects on what the "standards" are world-wide.  Sorry this isn't the 1920s, countries are not isolated.  Ideas, morals, and "standards" flow freely between nations. Morality and decency (as defined by the church, which is what I assume you are talking about) has been "loosening up" for decades now.  You are obviously too blind to see it.  Wasn't too long ago, you would have been ostrictized for wearing clothing that showed your mid-drift and now that is common place all over the U.S.  Who was the young and naive one again?

Pretty sure he's more 'old-fashioned' than 'young and naive'. He would be right, if it were still the 50s.

[ModerateOsprey]

Doesn't the US have the largest legitimate porn industry in the world?

[OfficerAbstinence]

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Doesn't the US have the largest legitimate porn industry in the world?

Yeah, but only because prostitution is illegal.

[SymbolicGamer]

Fluffykeith wrote...

Thing is Bioware tried showing partial nudity in a single scene for about 2 seconds in Mass Effect. They got hit by a storm of &@£!? for that one, as the moralising muppets in the
media generated a spate of phoney outrage, calling it a "sex simulator".....even though it was nothing of the kind.
Since EA are calling a lot of the shots now, I doubt they'll be willing to risk it again.

Controversy creates cash.

[ModerateOsprey]

OfficerAbstinence wrote...

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Doesn't the US have the largest legitimate porn industry in the world?

Yeah, but only because prostitution is illegal.

Ah, I see

[ModerateOsprey]

I would not necessarily agree with the OP that underwear in the cleansing ceremony is the most immersion breaking game element in the game, I would agree wholeheartedly that it is completely out of place in both that ritual and the sex scenes. Actually, made me laugh out loud at the silliness of it...hmmm..maybe the OP is right..it is possibly ONE of the most immersion breaking elements.