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[Dr.Strangelove89]

Hi guys,

In my current game Leliana is lvl 16 and has

Str        13 (-1 dusk ring)
Dex      39 (+8 Felons coat, Wades gloves and boots)
Will      16 (+2, no idea where that comes from)
Mag       11
Cun      30 (+ 14 Majorlaines recurve, dusk ring, seeker ring, somehow these add up to 7 not 14 , no idea)
Con       10

My question is, should I invest into Dex or Cun? I have some attribute points I saved up (5 or so)  because I had no idea. Some say Dex for archer and the wiki says Cun.

Of course the bard abilities would be good with high cun but are they all that good? I have only the first lvl ability so I don't know.

I found that subjectively she still misses quite often. But on the other hand, Ive also read that later on, its about armor penetration so I high dex is useless.

What about the pets? I havent invested any abilites sofar (still 2 points left to spend). Go all the way to lvl 4?

She has stealth lvl 2 but im not so sure stealth is all that useful as an archer. Useful to scout ahead and lay traps but i found that my 2 mages blast everything away even on nightmare so its not really worth the time.

Oh she does have lethality.


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She has from those abilities

melee archer,
pinpoint, crippling shot
rapid shot, shattering shot, suppressing fire

Should i max out everything from the archer tree?
arrow of slaying seems kind of useless since it takes so long, so does aim but i havent tried so ive no idea.

Modifié par Dr.Strangelove89, 29 mars 2010 - 01:59 .

[Zy-El]

Turn on Stealth, scout ahead, disarm traps. Locate enemy mage in the back. Arrow of Slaying = dead mage. Run back to party with baddies on her tail. Take back control of MC and mop up.

For her pets, yes, go all the way to level 4 as the pets are a lot tougher.  A 500-hps Bear makes a great meat-shield.

Modifié par Zy-El, 29 mars 2010 - 04:33 .

[Dr.Strangelove89]

Ok thank you for your advice, but what about Dex or Cun? stealth lvl 2 should be enough for that, right?

Modifié par Dr.Strangelove89, 29 mars 2010 - 05:36 .

[TBastian]

All the Bard abilities are pretty good, and high cunning can improve the last three significantly. Still, you should only pour all your spare points in cunning if you plan on optimizing Lethality/Assasin's 2nd/3rd skills.
"It's about armor penetration"? Defense and armor are two very different things. Defense improves your chance to sidestep attacks (its opposite is Attack) while armor -only- reduces incoming damage (its opposite is Armor Penetration). And unfortunately, your enemies won't give you the luxury of lowering their Defense just so you could optimize your higher armor penetration. Note that at this point, increasing cunning further only gives you 4 or so more armor penetration. Increasing dex will give you around 30 attack and defense.
You can live with just 1 point in Ranger actually, although it's best if you try and max it out. Note that if you're only gonna go with 16 Willpower and little to no stamina items then summoning a pet should take away most of your stamina.
I never found Stealth to be useful for archers. You can usually see your target before they notice you, and your range with a longbow should be around your sight range.
Arrow of Slaying is a preemptive skill. Use it to snipe 1 white enemy (preferably a mage) before you begin your charge. You should be able to gain back most of your stamina before the battle actually begins. Don't use Arrow of Slaying during a battle unless absolutely necessary.
Aim is very powerful with the right gear. It significantly improves DPS by improving your attack, damage, armor penetration and critical chance. Focus on giving Leliana +ranged critical chance items along with +rapid aim items, then turn on Song of Valor and you'll see a significant DPS improvement once you turn on Aim.

Dex is best for an archer. You'll want your attacks to hit more rather than do marginally higher damage.

Modifié par TBastian, 29 mars 2010 - 06:30 .

[Zy-El]

Dr.Strangelove89 wrote...

Ok thank you for your advice, but what about Dex or Cun? stealth lvl 2 should be enough for that, right?

Stealth 2 is enough . . .  unless you want to be able to Stealth while in combat.  Not bad if she's getting hammered too badly.  Lets her disengage from combat, heal up and set up AoS on a nasty boss without interference.  Stealth on an Archer is not so bad after all.

[TBastian]

Like I said Arrow of Slaying not only does significantly less damage against higher ranked monsters, but it can completely deplete your stamina making it impractical for use in the middle of combat. Unless you're really, really desperate.

Many dependable people here have proven that stealth cannot be used during combat, although some still maintain that it can be used in combat against enemies of lower rank (no idea what "lower" means, but I'm guessing it means white enemies). Unfortunately Leliana doesn't start with any stealth at all, so by the time you have upgraded to your tastes you will have gimped your character by not investing in any other skill/you will have reached a point when it's not longer very useful.
All this assuming you're not planning on using a respec mod, of course.

Modifié par TBastian, 29 mars 2010 - 11:38 .

[soteria]

Wait, "stealth cannot be used during combat," what? Who proved that? You can't stealth in front of elite bosses. That's like three fights in vanilla plus however many there are in Awakenings. Combat stealth works great.

[TBastian]

I stand corrected then. Leliana still doesn't start with any stealth at all though, and she simply lacks the points to pursue it for practical use.

[Taritu]

You can use stealth in combat. Do it all the time with Zevran in one of my games. You do need level 4 stealth to be able to stealth with an orange around (maybe with a yellow, not sure). But stealth is one of those skills where if you're in for a point, you might as well go all the way.

I hardly ever get stealth on Leiliana. It would be nice for traps, but unless you use a respec mod, her initial setup means it's a pain to get her stealth up to level 3 or 4.

Also, I'd get her strength to 20, a lot of the best armor needs it.

Modifié par Taritu, 30 mars 2010 - 12:14 .

[Dr.Strangelove89]

Alright thank you, then the consensus is dexterity?



I use lvl 2 stealth to scout ahead and then have wynne cast glyph of repulsion, then AoE like Inferno combined with Earthquake then possibly Paralysis Explosion. Its quite an overkill for most situations.Combat stealth is kind of useless as an archer I think as Alistair does his job well as a tank.



As for strength, there are items to increase them temporarily.



What about evenly distributing between Cun and Dex? is that a good idea? or is what I have already enough for bards stuff?

[Rive Caedo]

Zy-El wrote...

Turn on Stealth, scout ahead, disarm traps. Locate enemy mage in the back. Arrow of Slaying = dead mage. Run back to party with baddies on her tail.

... I suddenly have a whole new respect for Arrow of Slaying.

[DWSmiley]

Dr.Strangelove89 wrote...

Alright thank you, then the consensus is dexterity?

I use lvl 2 stealth to scout ahead and then have wynne cast glyph of repulsion, then AoE like Inferno combined with Earthquake then possibly Paralysis Explosion. Its quite an overkill for most situations.Combat stealth is kind of useless as an archer I think as Alistair does his job well as a tank.

As for strength, there are items to increase them temporarily.

What about evenly distributing between Cun and Dex? is that a good idea? or is what I have already enough for bards stuff?

Dex is better for attack (chance to hit) and defence (chance of not getting hit) but...with decent crowd control, you will rarely need defence.  And your chance to hit can be boosted several ways, such as Song of Courage, which depends on cunning.

Cunning is best for damage (Lethality), for stronger Songs, and better ability with persuasion and devices (and stealing, if you care).  My cunning archer ended with dex 30, cun 75 and a hit rate of about 85%.  A well-built cunning archer is the Archdemon's worst nightmare!

Modifié par DWSmiley, 30 mars 2010 - 09:01 .